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61-79-list-digest Friday, July 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 390 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - 351M to 352W??? Re: FTE 61-79 - whole sheebang Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals Re: FTE 61-79 - 3 Phase FTE 61-79 - tail light FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was 410 rebuild, Now 390 Rebuild Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts FTE 61-79 - flywheels FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location FTE 61-79 - Front Discs FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms Re: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall FTE 61-79 - 3.8 in What? Re: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs FTE 61-79 - Address correction FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts Re: FTE 61-79 - > I have a 66 F100 with a 240-6, and a 4 spd tranny-granny gear. I have the Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts FTE 61-79 - Ford Manuel Owners FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 for sale in CO RE: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts FTE 61-79 - Downsizing FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod Re: FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals FTE 61-79 - Front springs Re: FTE 61-79 - Front springs Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351C Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:23:10 -0700 From: "Chris Samuel" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M to 352W??? - ->Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:31:24 -0700 - ->From: gpark cymer.com - ->Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351W in place of 351M - -> - ->Steve's buddies rebuild of the 351W got me wondering about swapping out the - ->351M for a 351W. I just can't get the hoo-poo's out of the M that I need. - ->What's involved in making a 351W fit into my 77 F150? Will my C6 still - ->bolt up? Wrong way Feldman... If your going to go to all the trouble to swap you should be going up in inches not sidewayz! 460 is the only way to go. I'll not mention that the 400 is the simplest swap... no... not me:) CS == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:20:29 EDT From: GMPACHECO aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - whole sheebang Yeah both doors, the hood and the grill are in good shape ! the grill is not perfect, it has a small dent in the front tho..Hummm will the windshield fit my 72' ? Mike in Seattle == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:29:28 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:46:21 -0700 > Man, I wouldn't put a crank in that was more than 0.010/0.010. > > > > Does anyone feel that there would be a problem with a newly-ground > crankshaft > > that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under (rod)?... Strength wise no but if the radiuses aren't right and the width of the journal wasn't maintained it could cause premature bearing failure. When you install it check side clearances very carefully where the bearing touches the radius in the journals. If the radius is too large or allowed to creep inward the bearing will interfere with it. There should be a slight amount of side play in all the bearings on rods and mains without touching the radius. I don't know the spec off hand but there is a spec on this which grinders are supposed to use. The other factor is that with that much grinding the operator has to dress the wheels more often so the posibility of non-cylindrical journals is increased with that much grind, either out of parallel or non-straight surfaces like a hump in the middle etc.. 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:40:47 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 3 Phase From: am14 chrysler.com Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:57:08 -0400 Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3 Phase > Steve writes: >> Too bad, I've got a nice 4000lb 3-phase chain hoist that > would be real sweet for moving truck parts around the garage... > > Take that 3 phase down to your local large compressor rebuild place and > work out a swap for a single phase 220V of sufficient hp. Should be able > to do it. I did, Then you need to build your own electrical plant in the back yard like me :-) Single phase needs more power for the same work and turns the neighbors lights out when it comes on............:-) Course it depends on the motor size. A hoist may not need 7.5 HP :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:06:08 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - tail light Marc, I had a similar problem on my 79. The ground wire inside the lamp socket had broken, but would make contact sometime when the bulb was inserted and the socket was in my hand. Then I would put it all back together and it wouldn't work. I drilled a hole in the sides of the socket where the feed wires are crimped to the socket pins. The hole needs to be big enough to get a soldering gun/iron in. I soldered the wires onto the socket pins, sealed the holes with household RTV and have had no further problems for about six years. - -John jmlagron tenet.edu 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left side 1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh) 1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!) Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:18:56 -0400 From: am14 chrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall Gary writes: >>Azie, did you see my post on this? The tubes work really well :- Yes, and I'd heard of this, but never tried the tubing. Sounds like a graet idea. Now if I can just remember it when the next occasion arises??????? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:28:44 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was 410 rebuild, Now 390 Rebuild From: "Michael White" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was 410 rebuild, Now 390 Rebuild Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:44:50 -0600 > >Any reccomendations on machine work, what works or doesn't? Not sure what you're looking for but when I build one I clean everything, remove all plugs and covers and chamfer all holes and edges, inside and out and deflash the inside so everything is smooth with no sharp edges anywhere and retap ALL threaded holes in all the parts as I go. I use a die grinder to do most of it and a file on straight edges like the deck or heads or manifolds etc.. I hate it when my hand slides down the edge of the head or manifold an basically does surgery on my skin :-( I deflash and deburr and radius to gain strength and remove any potential crack sites. If you want to get real crazy tap the large soph plug holes with 1-1/4 pipe tap and use screw in plugs to gain strength and temperature eveness. I believe this helps the cylinders stay round under stress a tad better but make sure they are in place (use anti- seize) before honing the cylinders and use a honing plate in place of the heads also when honing. I had a mill operator make my one out of 2" steel bar stock. Don't deck the block or heads unless you absolutely have to since it reduces valve to piston clearance and don't align hone either since it loosens the timing chain tension by bringing the crank closer to the cam. If the block has moved enough to require these steps it will probably move some more and undo it anyway. 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:31:17 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM From: "Jerry" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:02:28 -0400 > Without checking the complete inventory of the parts houses tomorrow, is > there a quick and easy way to get some hoses that fit? ? Is there any > application that uses odd sized inlet and outlets with a 4-core ? Jerry Try looking at the universal flex ones. They come with two different size ends. Some OEM ones do too but don't have a clue how to determine this with out a data base search and usually than info isn't in the data anyway. 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:35:54 -0400 From: am14 chrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals Colorado Jeff writes: >>Does anyone feel that there would be a problem with a newly-ground crankshaft that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under (rod)?... I, too, have never seen this much undersize in an automotive crankshaft. It all depends on what you are going to do with the engine and what family engine it is. If I intended it to ever see any extreme duties, I would avoid it. If it was just going to be a daily driver that will never see any significant loads or high rpm's, then I might be OK with it. I've always set my standards on .010/.010, but I mistreat engines quite often. I often times put 6 tons on a 1 ton (F-350) flatbed, so you can see I don't pay a lot of attention to GVW ratings either. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:41:30 -0700 From: John MacNamara Subject: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts Hello: Does anyone have a manual on the 427 SO that would contain the torque specs for the cross-bolts for the cranks. My machinists thinks they should be torqued to 45 ft-lbs but he's not sure. I believe the Pat Ganahl book would have this information. Thanks John MacNamara 78 F250 4X4 Supercab 67 GT500 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:50:47 -0400 From: am14 chrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - flywheels Ox writes : >>I'm still waiting on a friend to check part numbers and see if 351M man trans flywheel is the same as 460 man trans flywheel. Been there - done that !! They aren't the same. Crankshaft bolt pattern circle is different. 460 is same pattern as FE 360/390 and both series use a neutral balance. I believe the 351M/400 uses the 302/351W pattern on the crankshaft to flywheel location. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:07:38 -0400 From: am14 chrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location Jeff Grant writes: >>hi Azie, from your post i've seen you seem to be a diehard Ford nut, what kind of goodies do you have laying around? where is ardmore ,al? just curious Haven't got too many "goodies" laying around. I have a lot of what my wife refers to as "junk" and sometimes when she is a bit milder she refers to it as "clutter". I have a 40'X60' with 14' clear span shop building that is literally full of "stuff". And the wife is correct in that some aspects of it are junk. I'm a pack rat. If I ever have anything that might be useful in another application - ever -, then I keep it. Just my nature. Yes I love old FOMOCO vehicles. I grew up driving Fords, but I now drive M*PARS, because they furnish me a living (I work for Chrysler Corp), and I would not think it ethical to drive anything else. I have just finished one '79 F-350 4X4 frame off restoration, and am in the process of doing two '77's now. All will have 460's. Ardmore is located on the Tennessee Stateline 2 miles East of I-65. Come on over. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:25 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs Hey Bill, What is "recirculating ball steering".... I have the 76 F-250 4x4 HD (external locking hubs) stuff on my F-100 and it has the dual-piston disc brakes..... I was surprised to see that someone had a 75' axle with closed knuckles, if I'm understanding the term correctly. Isn't closed knuckles the type where if you look at it, the axle U-joint is all "enclosed" with the metal "ball"....If this is correct, then I know as early as 74, the F-100 4x4's had open knuckles..... Colorado Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:20 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms Hey, let me add "Plan B", if we are talking about an F-100 or F-150 4x4 or Bronco. If he's looking to replace the rear bushings, how about just removing the nuts from the arms, and use a come-along from the axle to the front bumper? You just need to pull forward enough to slide on the new bushings. We just did this recently with a 77, and it worked great...just do one side at a time. He'll probably need to remove the bolt for the upper mount of the track bar, but I would rather do this than cut those rivets (which, by the way, I did a long time ago in order to replace the brackets)..... If we aren't taking about a 4x4....my mistake! Colorado Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:20:23 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall From: am14 chrysler.com Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:18:56 -0400 Subject: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall > Yes, and I'd heard of this, but never tried the tubing. Sounds like a > graet idea. Now if I can just remember it when the next occasion > arises??????? Just make sure you use "Vac" line not gas line. Gas line it too think and won't pass the journals. guess how I know after cutting up 16 little pieces......:-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:06:27 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3.8 in What? > Explorers with 3.8s? 3.0 yes, 4.0 yes, 5.0 yes, 3.8 I don't think so. BTW > Ford does have a recall for replacing head gaskets on the 3.8s in > Windstars. So regardless of mileage there wouldn't be any charge. I was speaking of the 3.8 aluminum headed Mustang. - -- Come on over to my Back Porch http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr Ballinger ballingr ldd.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:13:05 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms From: BDIJXS aol.com Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:20 EDT Subject: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms > Hey, let me add "Plan B", if we are talking about an F-100 or F-150 4x4 or > Bronco. If he's looking to replace the rear bushings, how about just > removing the nuts from the arms, and use a come-along from the axle to the > front bumper? They're working on a TTB type and they don't have enough room to do that like on our illustrious 78/79's with live axles :-) Man! We get all the perks :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:15:03 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs From: BDIJXS aol.com Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:25 EDT Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs > What is "recirculating ball steering".... They all have recirculating balls but I think he meant the integral type power steering box rather than the hydrualic drag link type. Do you really want a description of how it works? 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:22:59 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Address correction It hasn't happened in a while till today but there's a guy at ford with the address GPETERS who's getting tired of forwarding my mail :-( Make sure you put the "3" on the end when mailing me direct or it will go to him, please :-) I hope he isn't involved with systems or higher management because the mail is not ford business related and could cause some flak. My address is GPETERS3 and is used for profs mail as well. Apparently the other peters is not on the email system and the network automatically diverts it to profs. Once I have a truck list address I may change my handle so this doesn't happen but meanwhile please take note :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:27:57 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions Ken is the invioce going to be all we need to send the money? Who gets to help all us neophytes with our web page? :-) Gosh, here I am an old man and learning yet a new trick :-) Hey, I'll get Deacon.........:-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:41:05 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts >Hello: Does anyone have a manual on the 427 SO that would contain the >torque specs for the cross-bolts for the cranks. My machinists thinks >they should be torqued to 45 ft-lbs but he's not sure. I believe the >Pat Ganahl book would have this information. > >Thanks > >John MacNamara According to a gen-u-ine Ford shop manual for a '67 Galaxie, the 427 cross bolts all get torqued to 20 ft lbs first, then pull them up to a final of 40 ft lbs. Steve Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:11:04 -0700 From: Keith Srb Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - > I have a 66 F100 with a 240-6, and a 4 spd tranny-granny gear. I have the snip > >Just wondering if other list members that still have a 240 six in their >trucks and live in a climate where temps exceed 90 degrees experience >vapor lock type problems? Is the desire for more power one of the main >reasons for xchging this engine? Yes. I like the 240 alot, it has served my Dad and myself very well over the last 22 years, but when driving this truck on the freeways and through the mountains of AZ, it is a little under powered and I don't always feel as safe as I would like to. A 390 should help both of these situations out, along with disk brakes and several other safety modifications that need to be made to the truck. >The 240 six in my truck still has good compression and I would like to get alot more use out of it before >thinking about swapping engines. My truck only has 100,000 Miles on it, but I still have to wonder how much longer it will continue to run well on unleaded gas since it doesn't have hardened valve seats. I have noticed a slight change in the way the engine idles and runs over that past 20,000 miles. I used to be able to get the truck to idle very smoothly, but I can't get it to do that anymore. >I've even gotten used to the 3 speed >manual transmission...1st manual I've ever driven! > >Roberta in Tucson AZ with 1965 F-100 custom cab long bed w/240 six and no >rust in sight in this hot dry place, Keith Srb 1966 F-100 Short box, Style side, 240 I-6, Warner T-18 4-Speed. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:09:17 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts Hey John, do You want the torque sequence and crossbolt spacer locations too...? Go here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/FE/crosbolt.jpg Steve Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:01:38 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Manuel Owners Hi Do anyone have a manuel that could contain transmission and differential type using the serial id for a 1974 F350? Serial Id 32 TN F 377 E 8 A 27J 52 Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Larry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:32:22 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 for sale in CO Yo Gang: Last night as I pulled into the driveway at home, I noticed across the street that my neighbor's '66 F100 had a For Sale sign in the window. It seems he was going to give the truck to his son (15 yr old), but they've found a '65 F250 they want instead. Thought I'd pass along the specifics in case anyone on the list is interested. BTW, the truck is located in Louisville, CO, about 20 miles north of Denver. 1966 F100, Custom Cab, Camper Special 8' Styleside bed w/ pass. side toolbox, Dual saddle tanks (sorry about the sheet metal) 352 FE, all stock, NP435 tranny, Dana 60-2 semi-floating rear end Blue/white two-tone paint, original and decent Dual exhaust, white spoke wheels, brand new tires Normal rust and dings for a 32 yr old truck, no major rot Spare front clip available Data plate contents: VIN F10YK858036 WB 129 Color WM Body B81 Trans A Axle A9 GVW 5000 HP 172 4000 DSO 51 He's asking $1500 for the truck, $1800 for the truck and spare front clip. Send me private email if you're interested. Dave R. (M-block devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:44:05 -0400 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals ok, undersize crank journals are not always a problem. the 460 for example cam from ford with so mnuch extra meat it is probobly the most popular crank for offset grinding. Ford made them with 3 inch mins and 2.5 inch rod journals. many of these cranks get offset ground to a 2.200 inch or 2.100 inch rod journal and sometimes down to a 2.75" main. my new crank is offset ground. i sure hope it can take it! and it will take the abuse and punishment of more power and more rpms than most 460's ever will. so basically, if they sell bearings for .020 under rod, no problem IMHO. as for the mains, i would feel secure also with .040 under. but i would make sure that the dampener is in good shape. remember, OEM products are built to be abused, and cranks were designed to be reground a few times. there is extra material there. some more than others, chebby makes much weaker cranks. and the FE i am not sure bout. sleddog - ---------- From: am14 chrysler.com[SMTP:am14 chrysler.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 9:35 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals Colorado Jeff writes: >>Does anyone feel that there would be a problem with a newly-ground crankshaft that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under (rod)?... I, too, have never seen this much undersize in an automotive crankshaft. It all depends on what you are going to do with the engine and what family engine it is. If I intended it to ever see any extreme duties, I would avoid it. If it was just going to be a daily driver that will never see any significant loads or high rpm's, then I might be OK with it. I've always set my standards on .010/.010, but I mistreat engines quite often. I often times put 6 tons on a 1 ton (F-350) flatbed, so you can see I don't pay a lot of attention to GVW ratings either. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:01:56 -0700 From: John MacNamara Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts Steve: Sure, I think he already has the spacers installed but I'll take in case there is some confusion. Thanks John sdelanty sonic.net wrote: > Hey John, do You want the torque sequence and crossbolt > spacer locations too...? > Go here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/FE/crosbolt.jpg > > Steve > Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:00:33 -0500 From: "Tim Nordskog" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Downsizing Hi everyone, The 302 in my 73 F100 2x auto just died and I have a good 240 3-speed in a rusty, semi-retired 70 F100 I was thinking about using in the 73. I would like to stick with the automatic. I think the 240 should bolt to the auto just fine, and the motor mounts should be easy, but what about the flywheel from the 302? Will it bolt to the crank of the 240 and still give acceptable end clearance? Or maybe it's just easier to use the 3-speed....... Thanks, Tim Nordskog 73 F100 302 70 F100 240 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:40:40 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod Just got this month's issue of Hot Rod. They feature a buildup on a 400M. 468 lb-ft, 380 Hp and less than $2000. I haven't read all of the article yet but at the begining it describes how this engine family never had a chance performance wise. Basically born in the smog age, limited to 8.0:1 compression and using early (stone age) emissions technology. No wonder this engine got a bad rap. All of you M-block devotees may want to check this out. It looks like a really sane buildup for the street. Not a high rpm screamer it made 380 lb-ft at 2000 rpm and over 450 at 4400. Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:15:35 GMT From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:40:40 -0700, you wrote: >Just got this month's issue of Hot Rod. They feature a buildup on a = 400M. >468 lb-ft, 380 Hp and less than $2000.=20 snip ooh, that's for me, thanks for the pointer. Rob '78 F250 4x4 400M C6 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:50:04 -0700 From: Blaine Strong Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals Gary, 78 BBB wrote: > > From: "Bill Beyer" > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals > Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:46:21 -0700 > > > Man, I wouldn't put a crank in that was more than 0.010/0.010. > > > > > > Does anyone feel that there would be a problem with a newly-ground > > crankshaft > > > that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under (rod)?... > > Strength wise no but if the radiuses aren't right and the width of the journal > wasn't maintained it could cause premature bearing failure. When you install > it check side clearances very carefully where the bearing touches the radius in > the journals. If the radius is too large or allowed to creep inward the bearing > will interfere with it. There should be a slight amount of side play in all the > bearings on rods and mains without touching the radius. I don't know the > spec off hand but there is a spec on this which grinders are supposed to use. > > The other factor is that with that much grinding the operator has to dress the > wheels more often so the posibility of non-cylindrical journals is increased > with that much grind, either out of parallel or non-straight surfaces like a > hump in the middle etc.. > > 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's > 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's > 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! > 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo! > > -- Gary -- > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Standard procedure is to dress the wheel .0005" to .001" from size, regardless of how much was ground off. The only way to be sure is to mic it yourself, which is not a bad idea, as I have seen some pretty shoddy machining even in the aerospace machining business! Blaine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:59:27 -0400 From: "Kerry Walker" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front springs Hey guys, how's everybody doin'? I pulled the front end apart on my '68 F-100 today. This is my only day off this week, so I'll take them to the shop Monday or Tuesday to have the new kingpins put in. The coils are pretty saggy and wore out, and unless a new set is under $20 I can't afford them. I have the front end off an E-350 laying around and was thinking of using the springs from it. I think those springs are a bit longer than the 1/2 ton springs. Have any of you done anything like this? Am I barking up the wrong tree? How do I figure out how many coils to cut off the big springs to get the proper ride hight? Any help will be greatly appreciated Kerry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:27:36 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front springs I don't know exactly what will happen to your truck but I did something similar and I am happy to share the results. My brother has an 84 F-150 and we decided to do a lift on it. We used the coils from an 81 E-250 and it raised the truck 2 3/4 inches. I'd assume that using the 350 coils on your would raise it about 3 to 3 1/2 inches. It did a great job of leveling the truck, but we had to have the I-beams bent because it created too much negative camber. That cost about $25 per side plus 50 for the reg alignment. Good luck to you and I hope it works well. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:21:45 EDT From: OldTrux aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM In a message dated 7/29/98 10:10:59 PM Central Daylight Time, jerryrepka unidial.com writes: application that uses odd sized inlet and outlets with a 4-core ? >> Yes! My 66 F100 4x4 352 has a different size at each end of the upper hose. No problem. I just went to Trak Auto and picked a hose off their "universal" rack. Hoses ARE made with different sized ends. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:21:54 -0700 From: Tim Sherva Subject: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp I'm looking at a 4sp top loader a guy has for sale cast iron case coarse spline input shaft ( badly in need of front bearing ) my question is, If I looking for a 4sp is this the real deal or is this really a dog in disguise Tim Sherva tsherva aus-etc.com 66 f100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:29:08 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351C not all 351 c 4v were 4 bolt == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:34:14 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location i may stop in to see ya sometime, when i'm working that area. i would love to have a 76-79 f350 but until it comes along i'll have to stick with my 78 f150 4x4,i too am a ford nut dealing mostly in mustangs until my interest in 4x4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:41:19 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp the top loader is as good as it gets,be careful about buying parts they can get rather expensive, shop around for the best deal on parts. i have a toploader out of a 69 mach 1 mustang for sale,what engine are you putting it behind? the big block has a different length input shaft than a small block. jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:45:26 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location didn't finish my last post. even though i'm a ford person i have a gmc 2500 suburb 4x4, 1968 jeep m715 military truck, 1968 m725 military ambulance, and a 69 mach 1. and am looking at a 78 f250 4x4 with 72000 original miles.wish i could find a crew cab or a super cab 4x4 jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:29:35 EDT From: GMPACHECO aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp I just went through all that and bot a toploader, what are the marking on the case, you know I was told by a tranny shop that cast Iron was probably in a van. Mike in Seattle == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:09:45 -0700 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up From: Gary >Ken is the invioce going to be all we need to send the money? Who gets to >help all us neophytes with our web page? :-) Gosh, here I am an old man >and learning yet a new trick :-) > >Hey, I'll get Deacon.........:-) Any way I can help Bro, just let me know. I've been learning how to drive a 4000 gal. KW water truck. It's hard work, long hours and I'm away from home a lot but it's good money. Staying in motels sucks so I'm going to start taking my laptop with me. This way in the evenings I'll have something better to do than sit in a coffee shop. :) I wanted to work with computers but I can't sit behind a desk very long. Like the song says When I get to heaven Tie me to a tree Or soon I'll start a wonderin' And you know where I'll be! I just tuned up my '73 F100 302. I used Accel Extreme 9000 spark plug wires. Their 8mm wires with a heat reflective coating that protects them from the heat coming off the headers and I used a set of Autolite platinums. Plus I replaced the cap and rotor. This being the most expensive ignition tune up I've done to my truck, all I can say is I'm not impressed. As a matter of fact my truck is harder to start. It runs good but not any better than it does using cheaper wires and Autolite resistor plugs. So what's up with that Homey's? If a friend hadn't given me the wires because they were the wrong ones for his Mustang and they wouldn't exchange them at the store he bought them, I think I'd be a little pissed off spending $80 for them. I didn't expect that much of a difference on how it ran but I didn't expect it to be harder to start. I hate it when my engine needs to crank over once before it starts. I've been thinking I should change my timing a little. Could wires make a that much of a difference? I didn't check my timing because I was lazy that day. I have no fire any more. Just a pile of irons! :) Deacon deconblu gte.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ ============================================== Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm ============================================== == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:34:45 +0000 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up Deacon wrote: > > > > Any way I can help Bro, just let me know. I've been learning how to > drive a 4000 gal. KW water truck. It's hard work, long hours and I'm > away from home a lot but it's good money. Staying in motels sucks so I'm > going to start taking my laptop with me. This way in the evenings I'll > have something better to do than sit in a coffee shop. :) I'd check over that frame about every couple of days just to make sure it stays together. My Father in Law drove a Pete for a summer and I swear every couple of days bolts would be missing out of the rear mounts for the drive axles. Some were broken others were just gone. Them dirt roads are hard on equipment. > I wanted to > work with computers but I can't sit behind a desk very long. Like the > song says > When I get to heaven > Tie me to a tree > Or soon I'll start a wonderin' > And you know where I'll be! > I like it! - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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