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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79- Missing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was: Holes in exhaust Now backfires
FTE 61-79 - hollander parts interchange manual
FTE 61-79 - Freecell and other trivia.....:-(
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat on Datsun Z's
FTE 61-79 - COMING SOON- 68-72 Body side moldings
Re: FTE 61-79 - COMING SOON- 68-72 Body side moldings
FTE 61-79 - Garage Electricity
FTE 61-79 - h*lp with changing rear main seal
FTE 61-79 - found a 351C
FTE 61-79 - tags
FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat on Datsun Z's
Re[2]: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79- Missing/Z allegory
FTE 61-79 - Re: 65-F100 Motor Mounts for 351-Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - wild shake in front end
FTE 61-79 - 410 FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - wild shake in front end
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Off topic posts
Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - wild shake in front end
FTE 61-79 - Re: Rusty Rims and Innertubes
FTE 61-79 - Fwd: tags
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat
FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat A New direction
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat
Re: FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat A New direction
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dim Dash Lights.
Re: FTE 61-79 - CALLED COAST POWERTRAIN
Re: FTE 61-79 - tags

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:51:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79- Missing?

From: A64F100 aol.com
Date sent: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 04:12:53 EDT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79- Missing?

> bought some new MSD Spark plug wires and a new distributor cap (Paid a
> visit to the local speed shop) and some new, high quality carb gaskets.
> That did it. I don't know which of them finally did it or if all 3 helped
> but it runs right now, so I'm happy! Now, there's another problem, it
> likes to overheat. Any suggestions about that? Thanks,

I had a 351W once that backfired like mad so that I checked timing, wires,
carb, and replace timing chain only to find a fouled plug which kept fouling
as soon as I put it in due to an oil problem on one cylinder. Once I found
the problem and kept the plug clean the problem went away.

460's need lots of radiator. If you are running the original radiator and the
original engine was not a 460 you may need to upgrade but before you do
that replace the thermostat, fan belt, clutch if it has one and make sure your
timing isn't causing part of the problem or lean jetting or vacuum leak etc.. A
clogged heater hose or core will add to cooling problems too especially on
the 460 since it uses the heater circuit for pre-thermostat opening block
circulation. I'll venture to guess that this circuit is important for cooling after
the thermostat opens too so they must be kept in good condition.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:59:42 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was: Holes in exhaust Now backfires

On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:13:58 -0700, you wrote:

>You wrote:
>Seriously though, you're absolutely right. Another thing that holes in
>your exh system do is cause backfires (in combination with other factors=
of
>course, but a holed exh system is prime for backfiring).
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Anyone know how to force a backfire from one of our trucks. I know I =
know
>its bad to do. Bad on the muffler, exhaust manifolds, and valves =
but....
>Actually I used to have a 73 Bu! k. I could force a back fire by =
flooring
>it from a standing start at about 30 mph shut off the ignition and let =
off
>the accelerator. Let it coast and then turn on the key... BOOOM!! =
Longer
>the coast the louder the boom!!! Tried this in my truck a couple of =
times
>(76 with a holley 4bbl) and nothing. No boom, pop or otherwise. Seems
>weird. I don't have a catalytic and the carb doesn't have a fuel =
shutoff.
>I'm just curious why one would and the other won't.
>
>Tom H
>BTW, the buick's muffler looked like a balloon by the time I sold it.
>
I was able to make my '29 Model A do this; I would retard the spark =
(manual
retard on steering column) in second gear and just pop the ignition =
switch
off and on. Foot off the throttle as I recall; this was in 1965 and my
memory isn't what it was. I *do* remember the lecture from the local =
cops,
though.

Rob
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 08:07:48 -0700
From: Don
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hollander parts interchange manual

I am from the bigbroncos list and there has been some discussion about the
hollander interchange parts manuals,here is the site for pricing and
ordering these manuals....

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:06:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Freecell and other trivia.....:-(

I hope you guys know I'm on game 1700 now and it's all your fault! I only
play freecell when I'm extremely bored which only happens when I run out of
mail............since I'm a touch typist and a speedy reader you guys have a
grave responsability :-)

Ever notice how bad gas has a different smell to it and any car buff (or truck
buff) is well aware of the differance? Some people never learn....I had to get
the tank out of the cougar but it was full and then I had to get it off my tranny
jack with the same problem so I dumped it in my pickup tank thinking my
460 could run on anything and wouldn't mind but I should have let my nose
be my guide. After 7 bottles of dry gas and one of injector cleaner (just
happened to be lying there so I threw it in too :-)) the truck still sits in the
driveway waiting for someone to get up the guts to try to drive it somewhere
:-( My son wrecked his truck so I let him use mine and he struggled with it
for 3 days before I relented and let him use the bird (took him 3 times as long
to get home as normally with the bad gas).

Need to change the oil in my bronco but don't have one of those fancy
funnels with the extendable tube and 5 gal pail on rollers to use with my lift
yet so I keep putting it off. Grainger wants $300 for one and MickyCarr
wants $49 but with no wheels. Harbour freight doesn't list one. Tried one
vehicle using the tranny jack and it seemed to work till I grabbed the pan and
it tipped and spilled oil all down the front of me, shirt shorts, underwear,
socks and shoes all soaked, didn't miss a single part of me! :-( Still have
about 25# of speedy dry on the floor to soak it up!

My son got some shelves given to him free, about 20' long and 6' high, heavy
duty steel ware house stuff. I'll be using those to good advantage for sure :-)
I've already got the location for my shop computer on the bathroom wall in
front of the lift so I can look up parts just like they do at the ford garages and
room on the walls there also for all my manuals, pencil drawer, phone......:-)
Ideas I got, money seems to be a fleeting thing OTOH......:-(

I wonder how well epoxy will hold up to being scrubbed with speedy dry,
walking around on it till I get around to sweeping it up etc.???

Anyone else experience power outage this week due to storms? I took 2
days off due to keeping the generator running :-) Worked on the bath room
while managing all the breakers etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:18:23 -0400
From: "J. A. Knapper"
Subject: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat on Datsun Z's

The type of "blower" mentioned was also used on the 300 when it went to
fuel injection around 1987, and was dropped a few years later. It was
added to remove heat from the fuel rail/injectors to keep the fuel from
boiling in the rail/injectors. This engine also has the highest fuel
pressure of any Ford gas engine to keep the fuel from boiling as well.
Jim Knapper
Light Truck Technical Specialist
Ford of Canada
1968 F100
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:19:55 -0400
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - COMING SOON- 68-72 Body side moldings

Here's a quick note about new reproduction body side moldings for 68-72
F-series trucks coming soon. The moldings will be available approx.
August 20th. They will be available for 68-69 Short box, 68-69 Long Box,
70-72 Short Box, and 70-72 Long Box. They will be sold in sets of 4
moldings per side (fender, door, cab corner, box side) at $199.95 per
set. 2 sets needed per truck. Attaching hardware is included. We will
offer a special discount of 10% to readers of the Ford truck list on any
pre-orders made before August 20th. Order from our secure web site and
receive reduced shipping charges on one set or free shipping on 2 sets.
You must specify that you are a list member when ordering to receive the
discount. Thanks for your time.

Ron Miller
Auto Krafters, Inc.
800-228-7346
akraft shentel.net

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:49:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COMING SOON- 68-72 Body side moldings

At 04:19 PM 7/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Here's a quick note about new reproduction body side moldings for 68-72
>F-series trucks coming soon.

Dang! I've got a 67.....

Ken

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Garage Electricity

Thanks Gary for settling a debate in my mind. To get everyone up
to speed, I've been building a new garage. It's 30'x40' with 12' high
walls (and a lift someday!) My dilemma was whether to get separate
electrical service or to run a feed from the house. The expense is
greater to have the separate service, and I'm not too keen on 2
electric bills (2 meters!). One thing Gary said cinched it for me to
go with the feed from the house....the ability to back feed the house
with a generator! Since I already have a generator, it makes sense.
Gary, please elaborate on the generator back-feed concept!
BTW the cost for separate service is $860, installed 230 feet
underground (the only way they do it!) from their pole to the garage.
The material for the house feed is about $150....but I have to dig a
200 foot long trench! I guess the term is 'Sweat Equity'!
I will be able to 390ize and repaint my 75 F100 once I get the
garage finished (Ford Truck content) :)

Later
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:57:38 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - h*lp with changing rear main seal

Forwarded for: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Send any personal replies to him, not me. -Ken, Admin

Can anybody give me some pointers on changing the rear main seal on a
FE390...The motor is on a stand, any tricks or trade secrets to
make this easy..I know the original is a rope seal do they make a
split lip seal like for my late model 5.0 block??...
- --
Joe
Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
Soon to be 390 FE powered!
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:06:06 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - found a 351C

Hi, found a 351C with a C-6, its from a 71' it's currently in a 76 F-100, the
owner pulled a 6 cylinder out, and knows less than I do, he wants $300 to
remove the whole truck, what do you think? I've been looking for a 351C for a
while. I'm going to look at it tomorrow and maybe just buy it for the parts..

Mike in Seattle
I have a 72' F-100
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:16:23 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tags

Everybody has been very helpful to others in decifering VIN #'s and diff tags
that I thought I might ask the same. My truck is a 73 F-250 XLT Ranger Camper
Special.

Here is the info on my truck
VIN# F25HRS40676
Diff# 603381-3
3 54 D3TA-YA

Also could you all tell me what the XLT and Ranger option packages included in
this year of truck.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:35:35 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat on Datsun Z's

>Steve D writes: >>I saw some datsun Z's that had a blower (looked like a
>small heater blower) that were set up to blow cool air from the outside
>world onto the top of the motor where the EFI stuff was.

>J. Elliott writes: >>Ahem. As the (self-appointed) FTE defender of the Z, I
find this one
>interesting. True Z's (not ZX's) never had such an item. However, I think
>you will find that if any later (ZX's) were rigged this way, they were
>probably turbo units, and the blower was used to evacuate hot air from the
>turbo,
snippity snip snip

>John Strauss writes: >>Uh-oh, we have a debate. I also have seen the
blower that Steve discusses.
I think you are correct that is is on the 280ZX, not the Z, but the
non-turbo models had it too. The duct ran over the valve cover and then
spread out over the intake manifold. I never investigated if it was
pushing or pulling.
snip snip

>Pat Brown writes: >>No debate. My daughter's 83 280ZX, NON-turbo, has one,
which is why Steve
and I were over lurking in the Datsun section. It does blow air over the
injectors, I'm not sure where the source is. I'll find out soon, though,
Jessica mentioned that hers hasn't been running lately (thermostat
controlled).

Well, duh, I just had a flash recovery from operator brain fade; I do have
the shop manuals for some vagaries of ZX in the garage library and will
research the topic and report back. (Don't really fool with them, but the
parts interchange to earlier years is worth the reference material.)

J. Elliott



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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:43:14 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: Re[2]: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79- Missing/Z allegory

>Damian writes:
Regarding your sputtering 460:

I had a similar problem in my *other* toy, a 73 Datsun Z! (Is there
some sort of divine FTE-Zcar connection?)
>snip

I have said before, and repeat, I (in large part) got the dang truck so I
would have it to haul Datsun parts with. Now, if I could just quit working
on the truck....
and when I do finish the truck chore at hand, I will look up that cooler
info on the ZX's.

J. Elliott



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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:52:31 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 65-F100 Motor Mounts for 351-Cleveland

>>>>I'm wondering what cars motor mounts should I look for in order to
put my 351-Cleveland with a C in my 65-F100. Do I have to modify or
is there one that will do the trick?

Thanks...

+
+AL+

Al, I am getting ready to do the same swap to my 65 F100. You do not need
car motor mounts. Go to a junk yard and get the tower supports off an
early 70's F100 that has a 302 in it. This will bolt right to your frame
using the existing holes. The 351C and the 302 mount exactly the same. I
would buy new motor mounts (the rubber things that go between the tower
supports and the block.) Make sure you get the motor mounts made for a
truck with a 302, not a car. Car motor mounts bolt to the block the same
but attach to the tower supports with a long bolt that run parallel to
the frame. Truck motor mounts have a stud protruding out from it
perpendicular to the block. This stud fits into a hole on the tower
support and a nut/washer is bolted from the underside.

Now you do have a 351C right? If you really have a 351M forget what I
just said. M's use 400, 460 mounting.

If this post is unintelligible please disregard. It's late, I'm tired.

Jon E. Purut
Pickup65 juno.com
JCPurut worldnet.att.net
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1964 F500 Face lift in progress
1965 F100 Taking off the road for engine swap
1965 F100 Lots of pieces
1977 F150 Putting on the road to use as daily driver temporarily
1970 Mustang Fastback

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:03:36 -0500
From: jedolson juno.com (JOHN E DOLSON)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wild shake in front end

My 1976 F-150, 2Wheel drive, has developed a shake in the front
end. It feels like the front end of the truck is moving side to side or
kind of rocking. Does anyone know what could be causing this? I put the
truck up on jack stands and tried shaking the wheels, but I didn't feel
any excessive play. The Hayne's manual says something about Spindle
Bushings. If these are at fault how hard are they to replace? are any
special tools required? If something else is causing this, how hard is it
going to be to fix?

The vibration is not causing the truck to wander allover and
does not seem to affect the handling much at all. It can be felt more in
the cab than in the steering wheel. It feels like the cab is shaking or
slightly rolling back and forth. the shake is of moderate speed and seems
to have a regular rythm. Today I put the truck back up on stands, again I
shook the wheels, this time I felt some play in the passenger side front
wheel when I shook it from top to bottom a sort of knocking sound could
also be heard when I did this.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:45:23 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 FE

I know a guy who has a 410 FE built from a 360 block, '65 390 (big ports
square chamber) heads and a 268H cam, 9.5 to 1 compression and stock
4bbl iron intake built 20,000 miles ago. Runs very well in a '68
Country Squire. It's quiet and doesn't have any blow-by. I can get it
for $700, but it's with an automatic trans.

Will my 390 stick flywheel work? Or will I have to get another one?
I've always read that the 410 uses a special balancer and flywheel(from
a 428).If I have to spend $300 for a flywheel I'd probably better stick
with mine and save for a rebuild.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:34:36 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - wild shake in front end

Now what your describing sounds like you just have an out of balance wheel. I
don't know about the knock, could be king pins are starting to go. Try
greasing them and see if the knock goes away
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 01:41:08 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Off topic posts

Please remember that this is a Ford truck list. Perhaps there's a
Datsun/Nissan list that would be an appropriate forum for ZX turbos.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:50:52 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 FE

William L Ballinger wrote:

[Found a nice 410/C6, wants it!]

> Will my 390 stick flywheel work? Or will I have to get another one?
> I've always read that the 410 uses a special balancer and flywheel(from
> a 428).If I have to spend $300 for a flywheel I'd probably better stick
> with mine and save for a rebuild.

But you know Bill, Marko won't be back until Monday AM! He knows, Azie
explained it all to him:

> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:03:10 -0500
> From: am14 chrysler.com
> Subject: 428 flywheel
>
> Marko writes: >>
> The 352,360,390, 406, 410, 427 and 428 flywheels are ALL THE SAME with
> the
> exception of 361 and 391FT engine flywheels which are thicker.
>
> WRONG -- WRONG -- WRONG. The 428's and the 410's are balanced
> differently from the
> remainder of the FE family. They all carry the same flywheel to
> crankshaft bolt pattern, and they
> all carry one of two different pressure plate bolt patterns, but they
> definitely aren't balanced the
> same. The 410/428 is externally balanced. The remainder of the FE's
> are internally balanced.
>
> You will get one big vibrating engine by mixing these, unless you have
> the flywheel balanced to
> thje engine.
>
> Azie
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:53:39 -0500
> From: am14 chrysler.com
> Subject: 428 flywheel
>
> Marko writes: >>But if you got one 428 flywheel that was already
> detroit balanced, I would think you'd have to re-balance it to your own
> 428 cause I don't think they were all detroit balanced exactly the
> same.
>
> All the manual flywheels I've encountered for 428's have the
> counterweight molded in the flywheel, and all are interchangeable. It
> is not a seperate weight welded to the flywheel. All the rest of the
> FE family (excluding 410) doesen't have this "cast in" counterweight
> and are 'zero balanced'.
>
> Just as an informational piece -- The 460's are also 'zero' balanced
> and carry the same flywheel to crankshaft bolt pattern. I'm using 390
> flywheels on two different 460's right now.
>

But . . . Your item of interest is with an auto, it would seem to me to
be difficult to balance an engine externally with only a flex plate /
torque converter. Add to that the fact that originally it was built from
360/390 parts, maybe only the builder knows for sure! Help Azie! Help!
Shoot, he won't be back until Monday either!

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 01:44:36 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - wild shake in front end

At 10:03 PM 7/25/98 , you wrote:

> The vibration is not causing the truck to wander allover and
>does not seem to affect the handling much at all. It can be felt more in
>the cab than in the steering wheel. It feels like the cab is shaking or
>slightly rolling back and forth. the shake is of moderate speed and seems
>to have a regular rythm.
>>>>>> Today I put the truck back up on stands, again I
>shook the wheels, this time I felt some play in the passenger side front
>wheel when I shook it from top to bottom a sort of knocking sound could
>also be heard when I did this.

Sounds like king pins. When shaking the wheels, look at where the spindles
are attached to the I-beams. If you see movement there, the king pin
bushings are worn. The pass. side king pin on my truck (78 F150) has
developed some movement. The king pins were replaced four years ago and I
used the nylon bushings instead of the metal bushings. Now I get to do it
all over again.

Have you checked the wheel bearings? If there is no movement at the king
pins, then I would look at the wheel bearings.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:16:16 -0500
From: "Nils Gore"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Rusty Rims and Innertubes

Nils wrote:
>>>I have (I suspect) the original rims on my 64, and the backside of the
lip
>>>has enough rust on it that the tires won't hold a seal without a tube.
>>>This is surface rust, not bad enough to hurt the strength of the rim.

> >Ask the next tire monkey to use some grease on the bead area, that
>>usually cures the problem. At least it did on my 63.......

>Yeah!

>When I used to run dump trucks they always greased the bead area.

>You cud have the bead areas sandblasted and painted/greased too, to fix
>some of the problem with rust scaling.

>marko in vancouver
>

I actually sandblasted the rims yesterday and wirebrushed them hard with my
makita grinder last nite. After all that I still see little pits in the
backside of the rims.

Now I'm fixing to paint the faces (at least). Is there any problem with
painting the interior of the rims where the tires actually touch? I thought
about using body glaze to fill
in the little pits, but for some reason thought that might be a bad idea.

Am I wrong here?

Also, someone mentioned something about radial innertubes. Can you
elaborate?

Thanks everyone,

Nils Gore
73 F100 (Rough but reliable)
64 F100 (soon to be whole again)


Nils Gore
nils sarc.msstate.edu
601 325-2207 voice MSU S/ARC
601 325-8872 fax MSU S/ARC
601 494-0038 voice Criss Gore Architects
601 494-0058 fax Criss Gore Architects

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:04:12 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: tags

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please excuse this If I already sent it, but I never recieved a copy my self
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Everybody has been very helpful to others in decifering VIN #'s and diff tags
that I thought I might ask the same. My truck is a 73 F-250 XLT Ranger Camper
Special.

Here is the info on my truck
VIN# F25HRS40676
Diff# 603381-3
3 54 D3TA-YA

Also could you all tell me what the XLT and Ranger option packages included in
this year of truck.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:16:24 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat

>>Steve D writes: >>I saw some datsun Z's that had a blower (looked like a
>>small heater blower) that were set up to blow cool air from the outside
>>world onto the top of the motor where the EFI stuff was.

>Ahem. As the (self-appointed) FTE defender of the Z, I find this one
>interesting. True Z's (not ZX's) never had such an item. However, I think
>you will find that if any later (ZX's) were rigged this way, they were
>probably turbo units,

Z, ZX, XYZ, it's all the same to me... Just a potential source of
cheap 12v blowers that might be used to good advantage to keep truck
parts cool. There was a bunch of 'em there, and no they weren't
on turbos.

Steve
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:32:12 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat

Hey you know you could always do what a British Co. did who shall remain
un-named; Disconnect or add a "T" fitting to the windscreen washer, direct
an outlet from the washer system to squirt directly on the ignition module,
and when the ignition started failing due to heat (quite rapidly into a
drive on a hot day) the new owners were instructed to operate the
windscreen washer until the module cooled off and the car ran normally. :)
It wasn't too long before the problem was corrected but can you imagine :)

Now the FTE related stuff; How much heat, where from?, etc are we talking
here? It's not like we don't have some airflow through our engine bays ?
I'm just curious about how this came up. Sorry if I missed the post which
explained all of this.


John Miller

> >>Steve D writes: >>I saw some datsun Z's that had a blower (looked
like a
> >>small heater blower) that were set up to blow cool air from the
outside
> >>world onto the top of the motor where the EFI stuff was.
>
> >Ahem. As the (self-appointed) FTE defender of the Z, I find this one
> >interesting. True Z's (not ZX's) never had such an item. However, I
think
> >you will find that if any later (ZX's) were rigged this way, they were
> >probably turbo units,
>
> Z, ZX, XYZ, it's all the same to me... Just a potential source of
> cheap 12v blowers that might be used to good advantage to keep truck
> parts cool. There was a bunch of 'em there, and no they weren't
> on turbos.
>
> Steve
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:51:12 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat



>Now the FTE related stuff; How much heat, where from?, etc are we talking
>here? It's not like we don't have some airflow through our engine bays ?
>I'm just curious about how this came up. Sorry if I missed the post which
>explained all of this.

Keith Srb is having trouble with mucho carb heat on his 240/6 and I
suggested possibly using the 12v datsun blower to pull in some cool air
and blow it across the carb body when the underhood temps get too high.
That 1 bbl sits right above the exhaust manifold and really gets baked
on a hot day...

Steve
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:22:21 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat A New direction

Lets move the topic of under hood heat to the intake shall we. Speaking of
under hood heat, isn't all this hot air going down the carb on these hot
days? Would ducting a fresh air intake be productive or is it only for 200mph
NASCAR stuff?

Different subject but still under the hood. I took a look at this little v6
with a twin turbo setup. It was a real clean install and was running a simple
600 cfm Holly carb. Right on top of the carb was an aluminum airbox that
mounted to the top of the carb made by Banks. I was under the impression that
the fuel might be forced back down the line. Alen, the owner, had just gotten
the car a week or two earlier didn't know for sure every part of the system
yet but he said that it ran great. The car was prostreeted, tubed rear the
works. From what it looked like it was a simple stainless exahust manifold
the dumped into the turbos and then the exhaust ran back and down. The waste
gates were just below the turbo and plumbed into the pressure side intake. It
was one of those days I wish I had my camera along. I guess that when the
intake pressure reached a certain point it opened the gate. Steve, have you
found your second turbo yet? I got me a new project after I finish the
suspension.

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duckdon pacific.net
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:24:32 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Underhood heat

How about a large flat(designed and cut specifically to fit in and around
the area below the carb) piece of stainless or better aluminum painted
black on top and polished on the bottom, combined with a 1/4" or so
insulating block under the carb. I'm thinking that an arrangement like this
was used on many inline six versions of other yr/make. Have the exhaust
temps been checked to see if they are normal? i.e. is it an EGR motor with
an inop EGR system? this could raise exhaust temps significantly. Just
kickin' out ideas here, without seeing the truck it's hard for us to
speculate on what a fix may be, or if a modification is in order.

In answer to bringing in cold air for induction. YES YES YES, even though
many hate the look of our factory cold air induction tubes connected to the
stock air cleaner assembly they work well and do increase power/efficiency,
on any gas powered, street driven engine. Even more on race engines through
less restrictive implements. The reason for the cold air box connected to
the cowl in many applications via special design or mods is there is a
great abundance of low pressure air there at speed, as in NASCAR.


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
>
> Keith Srb is having trouble with mucho carb heat on his 240/6 and I
> suggested possibly using the 12v datsun blower to pull in some cool air
> and blow it across the carb body when the underhood temps get too high.
> That 1 bbl sits right above the exhaust manifold and really gets baked
> on a hot day...

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:29:21 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat A New direction

>Lets move the topic of under hood heat to the intake shall we. Speaking of
>under hood heat, isn't all this hot air going down the carb on these hot
>days? Would ducting a fresh air intake be productive or is it only for 200mph
>NASCAR stuff?

Absolutely, pulling cooler air from outside is a good thing!
Obviously the ducting hose needs to be big enough that it isn't a
restriction at high RPM. The other catch is the inlet needs to be
somewhere where if You drive thru a big puddle at speed it can't
suck up a lungful of water. Seriously nasty engine damage would be
Your reward if that happens...
I'm still trying to figure out a good way to do mine.

>Different subject but still under the hood. I took a look at this little v6
>with a twin turbo setup. It was a real clean install and was running a simple
>600 cfm Holly carb. Right on top of the carb was an aluminum airbox that
>mounted to the top of the carb made by Banks. I was under the impression that
>the fuel might be forced back down the line.

You need a higher pressure fuel pump and some kind of adjustable fuel
pressure regulator to keep the pressure at a fairly constant value
*relative to manifold pressure*. If You normally want to see 5psi of
fuel pressure, than with 10psi of boost You'll need 15psi of fuel
pressure. You may also need to use special floats in the carb so the
boost pressure can't colapse them.

Steve
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:26:36 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dim Dash Lights.

>I have a '73 F250 Ranger and would like to have brighter dash lights. I
>have seen the posts on making headlights brighter. Would the same
>principle apply to the dash lights? I have had the assembly out of the
>dash and have cleaned the contacts, but it made no difference in the
>brightness. At the edge of dark it is difficult to see what is going on
>with the gauges.

Make sure the dimmer rheostat for the dash lights is good.
If You haven't put a new set of bulbs in yet, you should. Bulbs have a
tendancy to get dimmer as they age, since tungsten evaporates off the
filament and becomes deposited on the inside of the glass.
I trust You've already cleaned the plastic on the instument cluster...
Mine was filthy with a fine layer of dust when I got it, and I couldn't
see squat at night...
The headlight relay conversion will help some by removing the headlight
load off the light switch and wire leading up to it. Probably will get You
another volt or 2 at the dash light bulbs. Small increases in voltage can
make a very noticable difference in brightness.
If all else fails, You could try slightly higher wattage bulbs in the
dash, but at the risk of roasting the plastic parts. I'd only try that as
a last resort...

Steve
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:26:34 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - CALLED COAST POWERTRAIN

>Okay. I phoned Coast powertrain here in Vancouver and got the definitive
>answer. Coast Powertrain (that fixes Fullers, Eatons, New Processes, etc.)
>says...
>
>Use 50 weight transmission oil (it's almost like engine oil but not quite
>the same). "Don't use gear oil cause it can ruin synchros. It doesn't
>like the compound the synchros are made of. Leave it in there long enough
>and it will screw your transmission. Some old truckers carry gear oil with....

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