61-79-list-digest Monday, July 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 377



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers
Re: FTE 61-79 - '68 F-100 front end
FTE 61-79 - Air conditioning available
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 F & 70 R Sources
FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12
FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage
FTE 61-79 - Re: R12 vs 134
FTE 61-79 - Re: '61 disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12
FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - GETTING CLOSER
FTE 61-79 - Re: RADIATORS - A TRADE OFFER
FTE 61-79 - Re: Door Clips
FTE 61-79 - Re: RADIATORS - A TRADE OFFER
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '61 disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '65/66 tech notes
FTE 61-79 - Driveline direction?
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel
FTE 61-79 - VIN
FTE 61-79 - THOSE #$%^&* KINGPINS AGAIN
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN
FTE 61-79 - Rust removal
FTE 61-79 - Exhaust Restoration
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Peg Board Headliner
FTE 61-79 - radiator
FTE 61-79 - Overheating
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline direction?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:02:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

are you checking it after running when alot of oil is still laying in the heads?

sleddog

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From: Ken Schneider[SMTP:coolestdude usa.net]
Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 10:53 PM
To: 61-79-List Ford-Trucks. Com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

How many quarts of oil should you pour in a 360 FE? The Spec books say 6
with filter change, which puts the oil level on my dipstick at the last "l"
in "Full." I tried 5 quarts 2 hundered miles ago, and it read exactly full.
Now it reads on the first "l" in "Full." I know my coolent isn't leaking
into my oil, and at 250 miles, the oil still smells, feels, and looks like
new. Any ideas?

Ken Schneider
68 F-100, 360, C6, 3.25's

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:54:25 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers

> From: "David Butts"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:00:46 -0400

> I've got 30.5 degrees BTDC on my 351M to get it to run right. At 8
> it just sputters and crys. I believe the reason I need so much
> timing is the new RV CAM. The balancer could have slipped, or the
> new cam could be internally different. -----Original Message-----

I've never seen a cam that required that kind of timing? I think you
have a slipped damper or have mistimed the cam in which case there
should be some clues..........:-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:59:45 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '68 F-100 front end

> From: "Kerry Walker"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - '68 F-100 front end
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:54:57 -0400

> So my question is, is this a job a shadetree mechanic with the
> average toolbox can do? Does the Haynes manual go into any detail on
> this? Is there any place online where I can download an exploded
> view of the front suspension?

King pins are not for the feint of heart :-( If you plan to stay
with old trucks and persue it as a hobby then you need to start
collecting tools. The king pin and ball joint press is a good place
to start or you can rent them from many auto parts stores. In your
position I think I'd take the whole "I" beam off and take the beam
and spindle assy to a parts shop and have them press them out and put
the new ones in for you. Once you assemble some tools and experience
you may want to tackle it yourself next time.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:13:22 -0700
From: "Douglas W. Hack"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Air conditioning available

As hot as it is I just can't hog this air-conditioner. My parts truck
has an intact (still pressurized) dealer installed airconditioning
system. It is on a '78 F250 400M with the standard (not hi-low) heater
system. The hoses are all fastened with spiral hose clamps, the
compressor is a recipricating aluminum case (ARA?). The pump mount is
welded up out of 1/4 inch plate (looks commercial-not homemade) and
there is a cross brace to an intake manifold bolt. The evaporator goes
under the dash - not in the engine compartment - unlike the factory job
that makes access to the right head/plugs difficult. The dryer mounts
behind the front bulkhead. Controls mount in the dash. Nothing hangs
down below the dash. It seems like a pretty clean installation. I
can't state that it works, because I only drove the truck in the
driveway, and I don't think the wiring to the compressor clutch was
complete.

This is located near Placerville, CA and I could use some cash for my
truck improvement project. If anyone is seriously interested, and has a
way to depressurize the system properly, let me know right away (before
I pull the engine) and I'll check that wiring and try to confirm
functioning.

I also have a good 3-row radiator that was cooling okay with a 351M,
auto, and air. I'd have a radiator shop clean it out before reusing
it. I'm using the 4-row.
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:16:25 EDT
From: Toydually aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

Hi Dennis,

Do you still have all the original interior upholstery pieces? I am
interested in duplicating these items to original.

Thanks,

Brian
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:56:23 -0700
From: Blaine Strong
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

$280 for a four row core doesn't seem out of line to me!

Jerry wrote:
>
> Gentlemen -
> Today was my day to waste my entire 8 hours at work trying to get an
> estimate on replacing my radiator and finding out if there were any options
> for increasing the cooling capacity (like I knew there was after reading
> this most informative list for the past few months)
> Please note the operative word here is *entire*. No kidding ! !. Our
> yellow pages is not that large for radiator dealers and I think I only
> called 6 of them anyway !....can you say buy mine sucker ? ?...can you say
> retail only ? ?
> Sorting thru all of what I have learned from this lists experiences,
> service manuals, parts men, etc. here is what I want to get.
> A new,4-row, 2-5/8 thick core H x W to fit of course by 69 F350. Modine
> has a model 2304 like this. Supposedly is for 73-79 HD cooling 460FE towing
> pkg, etc, etc.
> Before I can consider it price-wise, I have to ask your opinions. The
> best wholesale discounted price I can find is
> * * * * * * * $ $ $ $ 2 8 0. 0 0 * * * * * *
> Can this be possible ? ? ? Mama Mia ! !
> Is there a new radiator this size that is less than this ?
> I cant believe these prices I got today. Has anyone any suggestions for
> cheaper places to buy ? Anyone bought this size or this model ?
> Jerry
> 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
> 1970 F100 (ret)
>
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:00:55 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 F & 70 R Sources

Gary,
Thanks for the comments:
L&L doesn't go back that far.
I got the radiator issue resolved.
I think I am "down" to the steering box clearance and finding the easiest
motor mount hookup (except for the myriad of other "smaller" items to
resolve)

Jim

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 F & 70 R Sources
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 7:04 AM
>
> > From: "JAMES MERLO"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 F & 70 R Sources
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:33:45 -0500
> > Reply-to: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
> > I am in the process of hunting down the parts to put a 460/NP435
> > into my 62 f350. What did you do about motor mounts? custom
> > fabricate? Did you add a crossmember? What about exhaust
> > manifolds/what did you use? Did you keep the original beam front
> > axle and steering box.
>
> If it's 2wd you need L&L or advance adapters mounts, right side truck
> exhaust manifold and probably larger radiator.
>
> If 4wd you also need oil pan for 4x4 or van. Axles and other
> peripherals won't be affected much except posibly for the steering
> box/engine clearance.
>
> Depending on your current engine you may need to upgrade front
> springs.
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
> 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:08:14 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12

>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:11:10 PDT
>From: "Don Jones" >
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - R-134 vs R-12>
>
>I was speaking to my refrigeration contractor today. He tells me there
>is a new refrigerant gas that is a "drop in" replacement for R-12.
>"drop in" meaning that it is compatible with the mineral based oil in
>most r-12 systems. My biggest problem (converting commercial
>refrigeration systems to 134a) has been with the poly-ester based oils.

>They clean the system so well that any gunk that has accumulated over
>the years lets go and usually plugs the valves or cleans the gunk from
>fittings and causes a leak. I cant remember the name of the new gas but
>it sounds promising.
>
>BTW r-12 is still used in some countries for washing aircraft...they
>blast it from a firehose 200 lbs at a time!!

I added about a pound of Freeze-12 to My Ch**y Celeb wagon about a year
ago, it was still blowing COLD last week when I traded it in on a 92
Explorer. :)

BTW, U.S. was only country in world that outlawed R-12, EPA recently
admitted that they were wrong about Ozone depletion by this HEAVIER THAN
AIR Chemical.

L8re Ya'll
Bill Adams
1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!
92 Explorer, 2wd 4 door XLT

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:10:47 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

Jerry,

$280 is a good price. I just put the larger (26 1/4x24 1/4) in my '79 after
suffering through major cooling problems over the 4th of July holiday. I
paid $200 for a used/rebuilt radiator.
I was shocked too at the price difference between the smaller (19 1/4x26
1/4) and the big ones. Autocrafters lists a big two row at $375, NAPA
wanted over $400. The smaller radiators are available new for less than
$150.
I don't think that there are any good options here other than bite the
bullet and spend the money.

Stay cool! Heat has been bad here too, but now I can crank up the a/c in my
'79 and idle through traffic all day long with no problems! :-)
later,
dale c

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:13:42 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage

Ken Schneider wrote:
>
> Any clues on my gas milage? I have a stock rebuilt 360, 2bbl, C6, and 3.25
> gears in the rear of my F-100. I'm getting 9 miles to the gallon if I'm
> easy on her.

I forgot! My mileage went up 1 mpg after I joined FTE! Honest! I can
prove it!

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:53 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage

How can you prove it?
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:44:35 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

[deleted my claim of mileage going up after joining FTE]>

> How can you prove it?

Spreadsheets! Charts! I was just checking them out and saw a gradual
slope up, starting last winter! It's pretty wierd, but hey, I can
prove it 8-).

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics" - Someone

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:43:29 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: R12 vs 134

You should check with your mechanics. I had a water pump fail in my GOV and while talking to the mechanic that
takes care of our fleet...he mentioned that R12 prices were falling fast. I really hope so.

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:57:21 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: '61 disc brakes

You know the only way to find out is try. When I heard about this from Ken he knew it
could be done on a '67, but didn't know if of anybody doing it on a '65/'66 truck. Yet
I took his instructions, tried it, made notes about what was different, and succeeded.
My results were posted in as a side bar to Ken's.

Now if you take our notes, and try it on the '61 and make notes about the differences,
and succeed... your notes will help many of the list members.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:04:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12

At 02:08 PM 7/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I added about a pound of Freeze-12 to My Ch**y Celeb wagon about a year
>ago, it was still blowing COLD last week when I traded it in on a 92
>Explorer. :)
>
>BTW, U.S. was only country in world that outlawed R-12, EPA recently
>admitted that they were wrong about Ozone depletion by this HEAVIER THAN
>AIR Chemical.
>

Please don't spread false-hoods. This thing about the EPA admitting
this is bogus. The EPA's web site states that this rumor that they
"admitted" this is bogus. They also went on to explain how worldwide
tests have shown that R12 is evenly distributed in the atmosphere,
making the heavier than air claim irrelavent. Don't believe everything
someone tells you -- check out the EPAs site yourself and you'll find
this rumor is a flat out lie.

Ken Payne

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:14:55 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - GETTING CLOSER

Thanks guys -
...for all that replied with pricing info, it is much appreciated. If
there is one thing I have to do before I croak.....I have to see one of
these *kragen* stores.
They seem to have everything at incredible prices. Wow !
Can't find any in Florida though.
I wish I could tell you all the stories I heard about cooling capacity &
stuff when I made those phone calls looking for this rad. Hi-efficiency
cores, super-duty t-stats that made systems run cooler, hi-pressure
rodding.....you wouldn't believe some of the stuff ! ! !
It looks like the $280 for a 4-core is a fairly good price especially
since some people paid near that some time ago.
Looks like I'll just have to bite the 'ol bullet .
(....can't wait 'till its in. Then I can play with my electric fans ! !
!)
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW & soon cooler
1970 F100 (ret)



Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:23:37 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: RADIATORS - A TRADE OFFER

> > A new,4-row, 2-5/8 thick core H x W to fit of course by 69
F350 The best wholesale discounted price I can find is
> > * * * * * * * $ $ $ $ 2 8 0. 0 0 * * * * * *
> > Can this be possible ? ? ? Mama Mia ! !
> > I cant believe these prices I got today. Has anyone any suggestions
for
> > cheaper places to buy ? Anyone bought this size or this model ?
>
> I just bought a three row core for $190, from a local kragens (in-stock
> item). I was quoted $350-ish for a four row, special order. Since I was
> ready to leave on vacation (with truck), I opted for the three-row.
>
> Trade 'ya my old three row for your rusty rims :-)

Thats sounds like a great offer for a deposit....but how are you going to
pay the rest ? ? ? ? ? ?
>
> Pat Brown
> Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:43:32 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Door Clips

Are you talking inside door clips or the outside clips for the chrome?
If you are talking inside then go down to visit your local after market auto stereo
shop. They have replacement clips for the inside door panels incase they break or lose
them while installing speakers.

For the clips on the outside of the door to hold chrome. I saw them once in a parts
catalog, but can't remember which one. Once I found a wreck in the U-Pull-It yard that
had badly bent chrome strips, but still had the clips. I pulled the chrome off, threw
that in the bed and grabbed the clips.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:36:32 -0400
From: Mike Elmer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - product info

Hey, I'm trying to find a source for moulding clips for my 69 F-250.I
need clips for both boors[all-10]. Any help would be great.I've tryed
most catalogs.
Thanks Mike

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:12:46 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: RADIATORS - A TRADE OFFER

Jerry wrote:
[radiator prices deleted]

> > Trade 'ya my old three row for your rusty rims :-)
>
> Thats sounds like a great offer for a deposit....but how are you going to
> pay the rest ? ? ? ? ? ?

Well, lets see. I'll have a spare steering box in a few days.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:18:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '61 disc brakes

At 10:57 PM 7/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>You know the only way to find out is try. When I heard about this from Ken he knew it
>could be done on a '67, but didn't know if of anybody doing it on a '65/'66 truck. Yet
>I took his instructions, tried it, made notes about what was different, and succeeded.
>My results were posted in as a side bar to Ken's.
>
>Now if you take our notes, and try it on the '61 and make notes about the differences,
>and succeed... your notes will help many of the list members.
>
>-=DENNIS=-
>

I wasn't sure if it would work with a 65-66, but I'm positive
it won't work with a 61. The twin i-beam didn't come out until
65 and it stayed pretty much the say through 79. Unless he
wants to swap out the entire front suspension, there isn't
a way to swap them over.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:23:29 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

Unfortunately, since mine was an old farm truck there wasn't anything there.
There was no headliner(I'm not sure what was there except ther is a piece of
white pegboard next to the back window). The dash pad I already removed
previously, it was too nasty to look at :( .

If you have a specific questions feel free to post them and I'll try my best
to answer them.


Dennis
66 f100 Ps & Pb on the way.................
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:30:05 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '65/66 tech notes

I saw your posting on the 65/66 conversion. The notes were very helpful. Did
you convert your truck to power brakes? The problem I'm having is the rod
from the booster is too long going to the pedal. I'm guessing I will need to
punch another hole in this rod so as to not cause the booster to drag the
brakes. Any Idea where the pedal should be to line it up?
Should I line it up even with the gas pedal?


Thanks Dennis
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:26:28 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveline direction?

Who knows which way the driveshaft is supposed to go? Is the slip joint
supposed to be at the bottom near the differential, or near the top? In my
case, I have a two-piece drive line.....I've seen trucks having it both ways.
I recently saw a newer rig with the slip joint at the differential. Does it
really matter? I've ran mine with the joint facing forward for about 180,000
miles....

Colorado Jeff



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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:07:32 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

Well If I check it an hour after I shut her off, she is over the full line,
around the L's.

In response to Gary's post, this truck is an everyday driver, of at least 30
miles.

Ken
>
> are you checking it after running when alot of oil is still
> laying in the heads?
>
> sleddog
>

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:13:24 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

are the 30 miles short trips or one long trip???????????????????????????????
my escort had aproblem of absorbing moisture even though I drove 15-20 miles a
day and 900-1000 every other weekend. It had to do with cold weather, with
high humidity. i.e. fog and snow
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:18:20 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

That's just it, it smells like fresh motor oil. I suppose it is possible
some oil, I doubt a quart, would stay in the heads. I know most motors are
best to drain when hot, is the FE an expection?

Ken

> >How many quarts of oil should you pour in a 360 FE? The Spec books say 6
> >with filter change, which puts the oil level on my dipstick at
> the last "l"
> >in "Full." I tried 5 quarts 2 hundered miles ago, and it read
> exactly full.
> >Now it reads on the first "l" in "Full." I know my coolent isn't leaking
> >into my oil, and at 250 miles, the oil still smells, feels, and
> looks like
> >new. Any ideas?
> >
> >Ken Schneider
>
> My FE390 takes 5 quarts with filter change.
> I agree with Pat, a bad fuel pump diaghram can leak fuel into the oil
> and raise the level. Happened on my uncles 302 bronco a couple years ago.
> Does the oil smell gassy?
>
> Steve
> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:52:10 EDT
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

In a message dated 98-07-18 09:09:32 EDT, you write:


>>
Mine was water stained and had brohen corners. I didn't to spend the $250 for
a new one so I covered mine with vinyl for about $10. Looks great. Just take
it down, spray on 3M adhesive and you got one thats better than new! I
missed previous posts about bower brakes and P/S? I have a '66 4x4 352 and
am interested in what you are doing.....
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:45:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel

At 11:57 AM 16/7/98 -0700, you wrote:

>>
>I think Banks just makes the turbo, and somebody else makes the Diesel. I
>think this may be the Ford V-8 diesel from that era, an adapted gas engine
>maybe?
>
>


International Harvester made the Ford Diesels, Banks
made the turbo kits....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!
and since most are listing all thier cars:
'72 Capri - Rockette's Toy, aka - SWMBO
'73 Capri - My Toy / Daily Driver
'73 MGB-GT Our Toy
'70 Torino GT My "New" Car


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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:43:54 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN

Can someone please check their books and break down my VIN and tell me
the manufacturing history and about the rear end in my 1967 F100
VIN: F10YCB17093
Body: 58I
Axle: 7
Differential tag nomenclature: DM-H
3.25 7DA 313
Thanks in advance
Garry
garrya bellsouth.net

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:28:30 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - THOSE #$%^&* KINGPINS AGAIN

> From: Jerry
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: 61-79-list-digest V2 #376
> Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 12:43 AM
>
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:08:15 EDT
> > From: Trs2000 aol.com
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
> >
> > Thanks to everyone for all their help so far.......
> >
> > Disk brake/ Power steering conversion:
> >
> > I got the king pins and the "new" spindles in.
>
>
>
> Dennis - -
> Whoa.....wait a cotton-pickin minute ! ! ! !
> You got the new king pins and the spindles in? ...thats it????.....is
> that all the story ? ? ? ?....short & sweet ?????
> whaat.......are you some kinda kingpin expert ????/
> Tell us the good stuff ! How big was the sledge ?
> How much acetylene did you use ? How many times did you cut yourself ???

> did you swear alot ? ? ?........you know, stuff like that !
> (please disregard the above if you have a press like Steve made)
>
> Jerry
> 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
> 1970 F100 (ret)
>
>
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:35:15 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

I'll Post some specifics on the ps/pb conversion when I'm up and runnin' As
for the headliner I guess I'll need to make a pattern cause Unfortunately,
There's nothing there but metal.

If anyone is interested I found a cheap sandblaster in a catalog.
Harborfreight tools you can even order online I think it was about $25.00
unfortunately they are on backorder.....

Dennis
1966 f100 ps/pb on the way and four on the floor( 2 cheeks and 2 feet cause
there ain't no seat! It's getting reupolstered)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:10:28 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN

According to the Red Book this is what you have Garry;

first the VIN;

F10 = F100 2wd
Y = 352ci 2bbl 208hp
c = Assembly plant code = Ontario truck plant
B = along with consecutive sequence number = April '67
17093 = consecutive sequence number

ok, now for the rear end;

the Red Book is unclear on this by virtue of data not matching yours, but
by looking around different year codes in the book and your tag info it
looks as though you have a 3.25:1 ratio

nothing in the Red Book matches up with the body code of 58I either.

Hope this helps, I remember you saying you might be looking for a different
gear set for that rear end, What are you looking for?

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rust removal

Just got done pulling up the old vinyl in my truck to replace it
with some carpet. That's the good news. The bad news is that there is
al sorts of rust underneath the carpet. ANybody got any tips for removing
all the rust? Thanks!

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. Jenkins Food for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.edu wrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Program wife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno _Regained_...

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:07:07 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust Restoration

This is a question I've had for awhile and I'm real close to the point on
my daily drivers restoration that I need to gather info and start the
process.

I am looking for advice from any of you who consider yourself "purists" or
at least are knowledgeable of obtaining parts and work done that is close
to original as possible on the exhaust system of our trucks. I want to go
back to the real deal, the real hangers etc. only exception will be updated
material of the exhaust components themselves and maybe duels. I can't
stand the hardware, routing, and appearance of most jobs I have seen. I am
a purist in the sense that my trucks get all FoMoCo parts or Fred Jones
Rebuilds when possible, I like the way they were built to begin with. Now I
am saving all of my radical parts for a "special" Hot Rod truck in the
future, but for the daily driver I like the stock feel and look, I think
maybe it is some sort of penitence for modifying the '79 I bought brand new
as soon as I bought it. Any help in this matter would be greatly
appreciated. "Lucy" has a 360 coupled to a C6, she is a '75 but exhaust
wise she will be restored to '73 Federal specs or at least lets say a truck
of higher GVWR for '75 :)



John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:45:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Peg Board Headliner

>
>By the way, Has anyone ever put up the white peg board headliner?


My 66 peg board had chrome plated screws holding it up. I think most stock
boards have little 2 way clips. If you want to use screws, things are really easy.
Just make sure you mark the loction of the screw holes as the new liner goes on,
other wise you have to guess at their location which can give you a nifty wave look
when you're off a little. Good news is you quit noticing the wave after 3 or 4 times.

BTW, when I got my 66, the healiner was drooping really bad. I forced by wife to
use her arts and crafts skills to make a new one for me. Cost about 70 bucks.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:49:43 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - radiator

Jerry writes: >>* * * * * * * $ $ $ $ 2 8 0. 0 0 * * * * * *
Can this be possible ? ? ? Mama Mia ! !
Is there a new radiator this size that is less than this ?
I cant believe these prices I got today. Has anyone any suggestions for
cheaper places to buy ?


I don't think you are going to find a 4 core radiaror for a 460 Ford Truck
any cheaper than that. I think in fact, $280.00 is really more than
reasonable, I just paid &180.00 for a 2 core for a D*odge Dakota radiator
with V6. It's really small.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:10:01 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overheating

John writes: >>Would a 195 degree thermostat cause a lower temp gauge
reading in the drive-through or woukd the truck overheat? (I know the
answer, since it's my truck and I have performed the experiment.)

I think it would probably Overheat, due to the cruising temp being higher
if you had a 195 stat in it, and that is 35 degrees closer to overheating
and the truck is reaching almost "HOT" when it has the 160 degree stat in
it and should be wide open

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:54:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

> From: "Ken Schneider"
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:18:20 -0400

> That's just it, it smells like fresh motor oil. I suppose it is
> possible some oil, I doubt a quart, would stay in the heads. I know
> most motors are best to drain when hot, is the FE an expection?

I just changed the oil in my wife's 94 bird and it takes 5 qts. I
let it drain quite a while, changed the filter and put exaclty 5 qt
in it but it's way over filled right from the get go. Still a
mystery to me so maybe you did the same thing I did, what ever that
was :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:57:42 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline direction?

> From: BDIJXS aol.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:26:28 EDT
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveline direction?

> Who knows which way the driveshaft is supposed to go? Is the slip
> joint supposed to be at the bottom near the differential, or near
> the top? In my case, I have a two-piece drive line.....I've seen
> trucks having it both ways. I recently saw a newer rig with the slip
> joint at the differential. Does it really matter? I've ran mine with
> the joint facing forward for about 180,000 miles....

I've always seen them at the tranny or transfer case. The slip joint
is heavier than an equal length of drive shaft so some unsprung
weight may be added by putting it at the axle. It also puts it
closer to harm in off roading situations.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:04:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

> From: Trs2000 aol.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:35:15 EDT
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

> If anyone is interested I found a cheap sandblaster in a catalog.
> Harborfreight tools you can even order online I think it was about
> $25.00 unfortunately they are on backorder.....

Sears and others have inexpensive ones too. I got a plastic siphon
type for #39 from Sears and it works fine but if you plan to do a lot
of blasting I suggest you get a pressure type rather than a siphon.
They cut better and use less sand for the same job but are much more
expensive ($150 and up)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:09:49 PDT
From: "Arnold G."
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12

When did the EPA retract their wrongs, and where is it printed?
Anywhere on the net?


>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:08:14 -0500
>From: Bill Adams
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:11:10 PDT
>>From: "Don Jones" >
>>Subject: FTE 61-79 - R-134 vs R-12>
>>
>>I was speaking to my refrigeration contractor today. He tells me there
>>is a new refrigerant gas that is a "drop in" replacement for R-12.
>>"drop in" meaning that it is compatible with the mineral based oil in
>>most r-12 systems. My biggest problem (converting commercial
>>refrigeration systems to 134a) has been with the poly-ester based
oils.
>
....


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