61-79-list-digest Thursday, July 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 361



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - RE: Air Conditioner Bracket- Replaceable
FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI
RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI
FTE 61-79 - Trannys and Xfercases
FTE 61-79 - Trannys and Xfercases
FTE 61-79 - NEEDED - POWER STEERING COLUMN FOR '65 F-100
FTE 61-79 - Edlebrock
FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic
RE: FTE 61-79 - Trannys and Xfercases
FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic
FTE 61-79 - ATF
RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic
RE: FTE 61-79 - Edlebroke
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic
FTE 61-79 - Strongest ford parts
> Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic
Re: Subject: FTE 61-79 - 57-63 (?) 8' "Style" Side Bed Needed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strongest ford parts
> RE: FTE 61-79 - Strongest ford parts
> Re: FTE 61-79 - Strongest ford parts
> Re: FTE 61-79 - NEEDED - POWER STEERING COLUMN FOR '65 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI
FTE 61-79 - Axle play
FTE 61-79 - Bypassing Heater Core for summer
FTE 61-79 - Re: 67 Wiring Schematic
FTE 61-79 - 1964-66 Ford Truck Interiors
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bypassing Heater Core for summer
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bypassing Heater Core for summer
RE: FTE 61-79 - change of ATF

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:05:06 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Air Conditioner Bracket- Replaceable

Thanks Phil,

I havn't taken the snap ring out yet. This weekend after I get the
brake calipers replaced on my Ranger. (Right side, froze up
solid) I live in the middle of no where and bearing shops are
nowhere to be found. The only parts store is an Advance Store
that wants to know make, model and year. There are a few others
like a NAPA, but unless the guy knows you, he doesn't care.
I'm still the outsider, I moved here about 3 yrs ago. If this place
is like where my Dad lives, it'll take at least 5 yrs to get on the
"B" list and 10 to get to the "A". Maybe I'll make the trek to the
"big city" of Raleigh, NC next week. I had to go there
to get my new A/C hoses made. I'm sure they will have
something there. Thanks for the feedback!

-Ted
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:09 -0400
From: "Desanto, Phillip"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Air Conditioner Bracket- Replaceable Bearing

Ted, if that A/C Idler Pulley and Bracket is the same one I think it is,
Ford used it for years from the early 60's thru the late 70's..... maybe
longer.
Anyway, The bearing in those comes out real easy by taking out the snap
ring in the back and tapping it out.(it's not really "pressed" in) Then you
can take it with you to a local Bearing supply house, or a "decent" parts
> store, and they can get you a replacement. Remember, you want a "sealed"
bearing, just like the original.
Hope this
helps...........Phil
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:04:21 EDT
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI

For those of you who have seen my posts and are curious I have finally taken
my truck up to the speedway and ran it a few times.

The Truck:
70 F-100 1/2 Ton 2WD
460 C-6, RV Cam, Electronic Ignition, Headers, Holley 750, Edelbroke Performer
3.7 Gears.

The Conditions:
appx 5000' , 85 Degrees 60% Humidity

The Results:
Best time 16.119 86 mph.

I was slightly disapointed in the times, I was hoping to be in the 15's.
However, this truck launches unbeleivably well, I had better 60' times than
many people running 12's and 13's. (Due probably to the strong low end torque
of the engine)

What I learned:
Take slicks to the track for better launches,
I need more cam for my high gear ratio. The engine ran out of steam past 4000
RPM
Dragging is fun!!

- - Mike

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:29:24 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI

sounds like you need more cam, but i doubt the slicks will give you much
better launch than the street tires as you said your 60 times were good.
maybe a different burnout/stage procedure (not going thru water box for
example) might improve the 60 times without the unneeded costs of slicks.

what, BTW is your cam? is the carb a vacuum or manual secondary? a manual
sec carb may improve launch also, or it could bog :(

from the numbers this looks like a great stoplight to stoplight truck.
watchout bowties, here comes a BB ford truck!

sleddog

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From: SuperMagot aol.com[SMTP:SuperMagot aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:04 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI

For those of you who have seen my posts and are curious I have finally
taken
my truck up to the speedway and ran it a few times.

The Truck:
70 F-100 1/2 Ton 2WD
460 C-6, RV Cam, Electronic Ignition, Headers, Holley 750, Edelbroke
Performer
3.7 Gears.

The Conditions:
appx 5000' , 85 Degrees 60% Humidity

The Results:
Best time 16.119 86 mph.

I was slightly disapointed in the times, I was hoping to be in the 15's.
However, this truck launches unbeleivably well, I had better 60' times than
many people running 12's and 13's. (Due probably to the strong low end
torque
of the engine)

What I learned:
Take slicks to the track for better launches,
I need more cam for my high gear ratio. The engine ran out of steam past
4000
RPM
Dragging is fun!!

- - Mike

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:31:44 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Trannys and Xfercases

Doug Hack writes: >> I'm building a tow
vehicle based on a 78 F250. I've been told that the old wide-ratio
4-speeds are a better bet than any of the newer 5-speeds - is this so?
Although this is going to remain a 2- wheel drive truck, I'm considering
using a 4- wheel drive transfer case to get the low range, and combine it
with a highway-ratio differential, trying to get a stump-pulling low, and a
economical cruise. Any comments?

If you don't need a 4X4 then a better (IMHO) way to go for the lower
gearing is an Auxillary transmission. The very large trucks with tandem
drive axles use them in a variety of configurations, and I would think with
a little ingenuity could easily be adapted to an F250.

I suggest you call Harold Duncan at: Corinth Used Parts, corinth, MS.
PH# 1-800-647-1260 and talk to him.

If not satisfied there then try Wayne (?) at Performance Gear, Lumberton,
Ms. PH# (601) 796-2026.

I'm not associated with either man nor their business's. Just a satisfied
customer.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:53:24 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Trannys and Xfercases

This memo is to correct Harold Duncan's business pH#.

Doug Hack writes: >> I'm building a tow
vehicle based on a 78 F250. I've been told that the old wide-ratio
4-speeds are a better bet than any of the newer 5-speeds - is this so?
Although this is going to remain a 2- wheel drive truck, I'm considering
using a 4- wheel drive transfer case to get the low range, and combine it
with a highway-ratio differential, trying to get a stump-pulling low, and a
economical cruise. Any comments?

If you don't need a 4X4 then a better (IMHO) way to go for the lower
gearing is an Auxillary transmission. The very large trucks with tandem
drive axles use them in a variety of configurations, and I would think with
a little ingenuity could easily be adapted to an F250.

I suggest you call Harold Duncan at: Corinth Used Parts, corinth, MS.
PH# 1-800-382-4813 and talk to him.

If not satisfied there then try Wayne (?) at Performance Gear, Lumberton,
Ms. PH# (601) 796-2026.

I'm not associated with either man nor their business's. Just a satisfied
customer.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:05:48 -0500
From: "Lisa Sharp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NEEDED - POWER STEERING COLUMN FOR '65 F-100

MY HUSBAND IS HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME FINDING A STEERING COLUMN FOR HIS
'65 (W/460). HE'S NEEDING IT REALLY BAD, AS HE DRIVES THIS TRUCK TO WORK
EVERY DAY (HE'S A PIPEFITTER AT DOW CHEMICAL USA) AND EVERYTHING IS
STARTING TO WEAR. PLEASE HELP ME HELP HIM!!!!!!!! I AM EAGERLY AWAITING
REPLIES FROM ALL YOU GUYS! THANKS!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:03:08 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edlebrock

W. Ballinger writes: >>for a company that dominates the performance
industry as they do, their quality control, application specific marketing,
and customer service stink. A guy asked (on the BBS) why the carb setups
are so incomplete. The Tech reps answer was "Adapting things to your
application is just good old fashioned hot-rodding..." Yeah buddy, to me
that only applies to finding an old dump truck with a 6-7-1 blower on it
and making it work on mine. It doesn't apply to a fuel metering device
that's sold to fit my application at twice what it's worth.

Hey Bill !!!! Wouldn't be a little PO'd at them would you????????

I agree totally with your reasoning, but I have never personally dealt with
them, so I can't say anything. When spending hard earned cash on something
"application specific", then I expect it to be complete and useable as
purchased.


Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:29:00 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic

Ken,

Why don't you post his name, address and number for the list. For that
price, I'd
love to get a set for my '68.

-Ted
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Nah, too much trouble. I have a brand new wiring diagram for 67 F100-F750.
Shows not only the diagrams but the layouts in the truck (3D!). I can't
photocopy them (they're copyrighted) but I can pick up a couple (the printer
is just 5 miles away) and mail them. He has 49-68 diagrams and they sell
for
about $5-$7 (I think).

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:39:23 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Trannys and Xfercases

Did not catch were Doug was located at, but following with Azie's thought
of an aux. tranny. There is a company here in the San Diego area called
Gear Venders that specializes in over/under drives and the nice part is
their web page: www.gearvendors.com even
gives you prices with various setups.

John


If you don't need a 4X4 then a better (IMHO) way to go for the lower
gearing is an Auxillary transmission. The very large trucks with tandem
drive axles use them in a variety of configurations, and I would think with
a little ingenuity could easily be adapted to an F250.

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:45:10 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic

Hey Ken, I agree w/ Ted. Don't be a Bogart.
Gimme gimme so I can fix my '66 F100.


Nah, too much trouble. I have a brand new wiring diagram for 67 F100-F750.
Shows not only the diagrams but the layouts in the truck (3D!). I can't
photocopy them (they're copyrighted) but I can pick up a couple (the printer
is just 5 miles away) and mail them. He has 49-68 diagrams and they sell
for
about $5-$7 (I think).


John

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:49:45 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ATF

J Elliott writes: >>Has anyone had experience with changing from type F in
a late '60's C-6 to Dexron/Mercon III? I have seen some info that indicates
the only difference will be smoother (gentler) shifts. On the other hand,
reading between the lines makes me think there could be some 'slippage'
with the later type. I am curious since the price of type F has escalated
in my area in the last few months to twice that of D/M III, and I am
getting ready to do a total fluid/filter change.

This will probably start a "flame War", but what the heck!!!!!!!

I've been building auto's of every domestic type for the last 35 or so
years and this is what I've practiced:

I use type F in everything I build that I know will have "Severe Duty"
(hotrodders - heavy haulers - and mudders - and anything I suspect gets
abused). I always make this clear to the owners prior to doing it. I've had
exceptionally good results. Some of the shift kit manufactuers I use
recommend type F with one quart of Synthetic 30weight motor oil in all
applications. From what I've read the type F is thinner and gives much
better and firmer shifts. This gives longevity to the clutches, and this
is where most automatic failures occur. I have no firm facts as to why the
synthetic 30 motor oil is recommended, but I suspect it is for lubrication
qualities of some very specific load bearing thrust bearings.

If I am building a vehicle that will never see any abuse, then I follow the
manufactuers recommended fluid use.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:57:01 -0600
From: "Branscome, Walter, J. SSG"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI

Just for the fun of it I ran my truck through the 1/4 several times last
year. I found out by talking to some of the draggers there at the track
that if your running street tires that you should not go through the
water. Go around it back up do a very quick burnout just to heat the
tires up alittle and then stage. I dropped almost 3/10ths that way.

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> From: Sleddog[SMTP:kevkem epix.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:29 AM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI
>
> sounds like you need more cam, but i doubt the slicks will give you
> much
> better launch than the street tires as you said your 60 times were
> good.
> maybe a different burnout/stage procedure (not going thru water box
> for
> example) might improve the 60 times without the unneeded costs of
> slicks.
>
> what, BTW is your cam? is the carb a vacuum or manual secondary? a
> manual
> sec carb may improve launch also, or it could bog :(
>
> from the numbers this looks like a great stoplight to stoplight truck.
>
> watchout bowties, here comes a BB ford truck!
>
> sleddog
>
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> From: SuperMagot aol.com[SMTP:SuperMagot aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:04 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Finally 1/4miled by truck -FYI
>
> For those of you who have seen my posts and are curious I have finally
>
> taken
> my truck up to the speedway and ran it a few times.
>
> The Truck:
> 70 F-100 1/2 Ton 2WD
> 460 C-6, RV Cam, Electronic Ignition, Headers, Holley 750, Edelbroke
> Performer
> 3.7 Gears.
>
> The Conditions:
> appx 5000' , 85 Degrees 60% Humidity
>
> The Results:
> Best time 16.119 86 mph.
>
> I was slightly disapointed in the times, I was hoping to be in the
> 15's.
> However, this truck launches unbeleivably well, I had better 60' times
> than
> many people running 12's and 13's. (Due probably to the strong low
> end
> torque
> of the engine)
>
> What I learned:
> Take slicks to the track for better launches,
> I need more cam for my high gear ratio. The engine ran out of steam
> past
> 4000
> RPM
> Dragging is fun!!
>
> - Mike
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:31:46 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic

>
>Nah, too much trouble. I have a brand new wiring diagram for 67 F100-F750.
>Shows not only the diagrams but the layouts in the truck (3D!). I can't
>photocopy them (they're copyrighted) but I can pick up a couple (the printer
>is just 5 miles away) and mail them. He has 49-68 diagrams and they sell
for
>about $5-$7 (I think).
>
>Ken Payne

O.K. Ken, when are you going to start selling these through the web site??
I could use one for the 66.

I found one for my 74 at a swap meet for $10.00.
Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:02:13 -0700
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 Wiring Schematic

At 09:31 AM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>Nah, too much trouble. I have a brand new wiring diagram for 67 F100-F750.
>>Shows not only the diagrams but the layouts in the truck (3D!). I can't
>>photocopy them (they're copyrighted) but I can pick up a couple (the printer
>>is just 5 miles away) and mail them. He has 49-68 diagrams and they sell
>for
>>about $5-$7 (I think).
>>
>>Ken Payne
>
>O.K. Ken, when are you going to start selling these through the web site??
>I could use one for the 66.
>
>I found one for my 74 at a swap meet for $10.00.
>Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
>Mesa, AZ
>

This is the guy I mentioned to you at the Pigeon Forge show.
He's going to let me sell them and you can actually get
them cheaper through me than him (by 10%). However, since I
don't have everything set up yet I was simply offering a
source. Its Jim Osborne Reproductions is you want to deal
with him directly, don't have his URL/phone # handy (I'm
at work). If you can wait a week, I'll have his information
on the site, along with the discount. If you want, his
site turns up in AltaVista by searching for his company
name. He uses orginal Ford literature for his reproductions
and I've acquired a few items from his company and have
been extremely pleased. I wasn't going to mention this
deal until this weekend but someone brought up the
subject.
....

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