61-79-list-digest Tuesday, June 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 343



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Timing Troubles
Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing decals
FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 usage?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing Troubles
Re: FTE 61-79 - More 2150 carb talk
FTE 61-79 - ENDURA PAINT - Locate Some
Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing Troubles
Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel guage
RE: FTE 61-79 - D2VE Heads
FTE 61-79 - Transfer case
FTE 61-79 - RE:FE Questions
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: disk brakes conversion/ 73? parts truck
FTE 61-79 - FW: Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!
FTE 61-79 - Slow Tuesday?!
RE: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE:FE Questions-balancer
RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing decals
FTE 61-79 - for Jim Hurd
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:FE Questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Slow Tuesday?!
FTE 61-79 - T/C - Finger Lickin Good!
RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing decals
FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires
Re: FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires
FTE 61-79 - New to the list
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes locked
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear End
Re: FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires
Re: FTE 61-79 - New to the list
Re: FTE 61-79 - H*lp! New to the list
Re: FTE 61-79 - T/C - Finger Lickin Good!
RE:FTE 61-79 - removing decals - getting engine block
Re: FTE 61-79 - New to the list
Fw: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:12:14 -0400
From: dgerow coal.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Timing Troubles

Hello all,

I am new to alot of things so please bear with me as I muddle through my
troubles. I have a '78 Ford F-150 with a 460 that I built-up a bit.
Recently it has been starting very hard when it is warmed up, ie - go to
the store, shut it off, run in, come out 5 minutes later and it cranks
forever. I am assuming this is the timing and I need to know if I am
correct in saying this. I think it is too far advanced, but I am not
sure. If so, what can be done, if not any other suggenstions? Thanks
alot in advance for the advice. Take care all!

Daniel

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:35:00 EDT
From: RDbanesjr aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing decals

do u suppose vinagar will work on bumper stickers as well?
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:52:32 -0400
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 usage?

When did the dana 44 become standard usage in the F-100 4x4's???
I know with the early broncos the 44 wasnt used till late 1971...
Were the pickups the same????also are dana 30's radius arms the same
as dana 44's?????
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:00:42 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing Troubles

At 08:12 PM 6/15/98 , you wrote:
>I am new to alot of things so please bear with me as I muddle through my
>troubles. I have a '78 Ford F-150 with a 460 that I built-up a bit.
>Recently it has been starting very hard when it is warmed up, ie - go to
>the store, shut it off, run in, come out 5 minutes later and it cranks
>forever. I am assuming this is the timing and I need to know if I am
>correct in saying this. I think it is too far advanced, but I am not
>sure. If so, what can be done, if not any other suggenstions? Thanks
>alot in advance for the advice. Take care all!
>Daniel

If when you turn the key you hear a poping noise (like spark knock) or the
engine turns over slow and wants to stop turning even though the starter is
still trying to turn the engine, or backfires through the intake - that is
a sign of the ignition being too far advanced.

Have you checked the choke? Does it fully open when the engine is warm?
Do you have a fiber or plastic (phenolic) spacer between the carb and
manifold? Sounds (to me) like the fuel in the carb is getting too hot and
puking into the intake manifold causing your hard starting.

Mike


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JIM HURD
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More 2150 carb talk

Yo Dave,
I suspect that the original Motorcraft 2150 pn your 351M has the
1.21" venturi. Does the Mustang carb also have the 1.21" venturi,
or is it the smaller 1.08" venturi?

(Sorry if this was already discussed. I just returned to the list today.)

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:34:03 -0400
From: "."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ENDURA PAINT - Locate Some

What is this "ENDURA" paint that sounds so wonderful ? ...and where can you get it ?
Is the semi=gloss for frames too or should one use gloss for the frame
rails ? ? ?
Jerry
69 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD AC PB PW
65 F150 (ret.)

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:42:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: JIM HURD
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing Troubles

Daniel,
Sounds to me that you may have an internal carb leak. After it sits for
5 minutes or so, it is probably flooded. A leaky power valve will act
this way also.
So the next time you let it sit for the 5 minutes, remove the air
cleaner, crawl up in there with a flash light and shine it down in the
carb. *Carefully* open the throttle, so that the accelerator pump
doesn't spray everything, and peek down under the throttle plates.
If you see a wet spot on the floor of the manifold, you have an
internal carb leak.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:56:12 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel guage

I would add, check the grounds. There's one at the sender and another
on the cluster. Make sure the metal has NO paint on it, spray WD-40 in
the screw holes and on the clean threads(I always replace the screw and
star washer)and tap the hole flush with a small rubber headed hammer to
restore crush on the threads. Put a very light coating of petroleum
jelly on the ends and screws. Pull the sending unit out of the tank, and
WD-40 the pivoting area and work it up and down while you spray it until
it runs out of everywhere. Do the screw holes here too, because they are
part of the ground also. Petroleum jelly these screws too. The PJ will
prevent corrosion for a very long time. Keep in mind that these have
probably never been touched since the truck went together, and if they
had the disassembly/ reassembly probably included a thick coat of paint,
and ruined the tenuous crush that held the screw in place to secure it.
Grounds don't work well through paint, or corrosion, and they can't
move.

This will restore the path to ground, and provide lubrication to the
moving parts of the sending unit. It will also stabilize the signal
provided. I don't want to create a bone of contention here, but I've
never had to eliminate any resistors, and I think it would in my opinion
compromise the integrity of the circuit. I'm no electronics wizard, and
maybe I'm wrong here, but in every case I've ever seen, restoration of
the original circuit provided the best results.

My gauge too was reading from 1/4 to 3/4. I did the above and it now
goes from E to 7/8 full.

> I would start by checking for 12V power, then remove the sender
> and measure the resistance with the float at both the stops. Then remove
> the gauge wires, hookup the sender and repeat the measurement. This
> will tell you if there is a problem in the line between (such as the extra
> resistor). If things are good (0 ohms empty, 100 full) after that, I would
> check the gauge, perhaps you could bend the needle slightly to compensate.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:03:59 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - D2VE Heads

Sleddog, Sleddog, thy learning hath made thee mad...

Could you imagine the look on some hot shot 'Vette guys face when this
blue 4X4 blows by him in the middle of nowhere?

Now when you reach warp speed turn around and come back to let us know
if Capt. Kirk is really bald-headed.

>
> sure, most people don't need that kind of motor, but i do.
>
> if a little is good, and more is better, then too much is almost enough!

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:09:38 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transfer case

> transfer case.....dunno that either. No hi or lo, just 2wd & 4wd
More than likely a Dana 21. It's a single speed unit. The 24 is a
two-speed.
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:33:14 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:FE Questions

Marko,

Do the pulleys interchange between them?

I've just recently been wondering if there are different balancer timing
marks and or pointers on some. As I've said before I'm getting some
strange readings from mine. I wonder since I don't have any vibration
(rules out a slipped balancer?)if the combination of my timing marks on
the balancer and the pointer (on the passenger side)is mismatched
somehow, causing my strange (25 degrees initial and off the scale under
full advance)readings.

If you have some old ones laying around, could you look and see if the
marks are the same in relationship to the keyway?

Is there any advantage to the heavier truck balancer, since the engine
is zero balanced anyway?

>
> The dampers are different, mainly cuz the truck one used a dual-pulley
> setup. The auto damper will have a single "pulley" built into it. The
> truck damper will be heavier and will have a separate dual pulley setup
> bolted onto it with 3 bolts. I pulled one of the latter style off a 69
> truck with 360/c6 so you shudn't have a problem using it. Yes, they are
> all zero balanced. Even the 410 front pulley was zero balanced, only the
> 428 wasn't....

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:15:33 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: disk brakes conversion/ 73? parts truck

even though the manufacture date says 11/72 it would still be a 73truck they
start making them early.

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: disk brakes conversion/ 73? parts truck


I just took a look at the 73 f150 and the title calls it a 73 but the
manufacture date is 11/72 I wanted the truck for the ps and spindles to
convert it. I was wondering why a 70-72 with disk won't work? Is the setup
a
lot different? It looks pretty similiar to me.


Thanks in advance

Dennis

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:56:00 +0200
From: "Hammell, John"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!

Re-sending! Our firewall here at IMS has been doing some funky things!!!
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From: Hammell, John
To: FORD TRUCKS
Subject: Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!
Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 8:55AM

First, I gotta thank everyone for their advise on helping me change my trans
fluid on my 67 F250 Camper special. I would like to say that everything went
ok, and it's not that I can't, I just never got to it!! Right before I was
gonna tear into that project, I had to replace the radiator, which by the
way went very smoothly! She's overheating a bit in heavy traffic, but that's
another story. At this point, if you haven't got comfortable with the
beverage of your choice, you may want to do so now because this is gonna get
a bit long winded!!(sorry) A few months back, I had to replace the shift
selector/ lever collar, and truth be told, when I put it all back together I
wasn't happy with the way the the collar engaged with the turn signal
collar, but it worked and the turn signals (at the time) still worked and I
was back on the road!! Now, when I brought this truck I believe the guy
said he replaced the steering arm bracket(?) which looks new, and also the
rag joint(?). Now I know manual steering takes a little more effort than
power obviously, but this truck always seemed to be a little to
"stiff/tight".... there's a couple of words for us married folks to live
by!! (wow! I still have some sense of humor left!) Anyway, talk about
digressing, the point I'm trying to get to is that I went to take off the
other day, and the lever selector seemed to be stripped! The lever would
not engage with the linkage and allow you to select any gear(P R N D 2 1)!
I removed the steering wheel to see if the collar was damaged, but could
find nothing. It seems like the collar that rides between the outside column
the length of the actual steering shaft, which the shift selector collar
also fits over, and the steering wheel stem which on the other side of the
fire wall has an arm coming off it and connects to the shift rod, well it
seems as if there is something broken/disconnected in that part of the
column. I am able to shift gears manually by moving the shift rod that comes
off the collar, but somehow there is something broken or disconnected in
this part of the column! I know this is tough enough to read and make sense
of, but it's even tougher trying to explain it without seeing it!!
##%$$%%^(curses!!!!!)
Anyway, if anyone has an idea I'd be glad to hear it! I can only reply to
e-mails during the day,8am-4pm, as I do not have a computer at home, and my
access to the web is limited to one machine here at work that the" powers
that be" decided to password protect!!!!!!! In the mean time, I think I'll
start calling the bone yards to see if there are any steering collies that
would fit my truck! By the way, what year collums can I use that would work
with a 67'??
Thanks in advance for any and all info!!!!!!!1

John
Hammej01 imsint.com
67F250 Heartbreaker(I mean....Camper special!)
83 F150 (that I don't have insured or registered shhhhhh..... but she runs
great!) For sale!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:37:12 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Slow Tuesday?!

Well here I am on a Tuesday, all alone in the world, my voice coming
back to me as an echo in the wilderness..........

Anyway, if my server isn't messed up again the traffic seems pretty
slow today so I'll just say I'm very ansie (ansea?) cuz I can't get
on my floor yet! I go out every night and look at it and putter
around with shelves and moving stuff from the garage to the barn,
waiting, waiting till the concrete cures. Can't wait till Saturday.
I'm going to rotate all the tires and change all the oil and........

Then I can strip the Lincoln and the cougar and get ready to swap
some parts into the bronco and I can fix the left rear shock mount on
the pickup and............

Whoaaaaaaaaa, wake up! What about the HD list?#$%$# !##$$ Ok, so
I may have to do a few other things in between to keep my marriage
intact :-( BUMMER! :-( If it weren't for property and custody
agreements........Just kidding :-) We have to exercise discipline,
that's what makes us well rounded individuals. Have to share with
others so we don't get too selfish. Giving is better than receiving
(up to a point :-)) Keep warm and well fed............(where'd that
come from??)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:55:10 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!

the conduit tube that runs thru the column. check it out, on mine the
small tab on the ends came off. i tigged it back on a few times before
finally admitting a can't weld for a damn and got a ratchet shifter and
cable.

this is what it sounds like to me. there are 2 tabs, one atr each end.
you need to pull the steering wheel (cation, don't pull it into your
face!) and the turn signal assy and stuff and then the tube pulls right out
the top of the coulumn if i remember correctly.

sleddog

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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 7:56 AM
To: FORD TRUCKS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!



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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:48:33 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE:FE Questions-balancer

david vizard did an interesting article on dampers a while ago. his
findings are that (this was with a small block chevy) of all the stock
dampers, the largest one did the best job up to over 7,000 rpm. the engine
would make more power, and be more reliable with a heavier damper than a
light one.

if it was me, i would use the heavy one.

sleddog

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From: William L Ballinger[SMTP:ballingr ldd.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 2:33 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:FE Questions

Marko,

Is there any advantage to the heavier truck balancer, since the engine
is zero balanced anyway?



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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:16:37 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing decals

everyone says to use a heat gun, and i don't have one. i tried the
vinegar, and the warmer it was the better it worked. i think it will, as
long as the sticker is not too mangled. the ones i removed were in very
good shape, and once i got a corner up it pulled off very clean, with very
little ripping, etc.

sleddog

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Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 9:35 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing decals

do u suppose vinagar will work on bumper stickers as well?
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:49:43 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: FTE 61-79 - for Jim Hurd

>Jim in Central NY
>'79 F-150 (302!)
>'92 Topaz (3.0l)

Hey, Jim, welcome back!

I have a coupla carb questions for you, are you as good on Autolites as on
Holleys?

Here's what I'm after:

As you may know, I am doing a frame-up resto on a 67 mercury 250 4x4 (I put
my 71 chassis under a 67 body) and have had a 410 mercury built (390 with
428 crank)for the occasion. The engine came stock with an Autolite 4100
480 cfm. I have a Holley List 6919AAA from before, that you helped me set
up. I'll be running tri-y headers.

The Holley tends to use some considerable gas on my 360, and I'm wondering
if a one-stage power valve would help rather than 2-stage as it has now.
I'm also wondering if you can see if Holley recommended more or less this
same carb for a 410 mercury marauder engine, or if that's not listed maybe
a 428. I would like to set it up as an alternate to the Autolite if that
doesn't work out.

Look forward to hearing from you.


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:02:29 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:FE Questions

At 01:33 AM 16/06/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Marko,

Bill,

>
>Do the pulleys interchange between them?

Well, logically yes. There is no reason why the marks or anything shud be
different; TDC is the same on a 427 as on a 352 or a 428 or a 410 (ok I'll
stop now). Even tho the 428 balancer is different in design (counterweighted)

>I've just recently been wondering if there are different balancer timing
>marks and or pointers on some. As I've said before I'm getting some
>strange readings from mine. I wonder since I don't have any vibration
>(rules out a slipped balancer?)if the combination of my timing marks on
>the balancer and the pointer (on the passenger side)is mismatched
>somehow, causing my strange (25 degrees initial and off the scale under
>full advance)readings.

Each of the timing covers I've looked at has the pointer in the same spot.
Wow, 25 degrees sounds like a lot. YOu may have the, well now how exactly
would that work? WOuld it be the cam that was out? Certainly not the
distributor or you'd never get the thing to run right unless the
distributor was set right to the cam.
>
>If you have some old ones laying around, could you look and see if the
>marks are the same in relationship to the keyway?

I am definitely going out to the shop tonight, and I have two balancers of
each style. I will look at both to see if the marks are the same.
>
>Is there any advantage to the heavier truck balancer, since the engine
>is zero balanced anyway?
>
The advantage of the "truck" balancer is that you can put a dual pulley
setup on it. Also, I am not sure if this wasn't a change in style of
balancer too--my 67 truck and my 66 mercury car motor both had the lighter
balancer with the built-in pulley. My 71 truck and Randy's 69 truck (with
c6 whencefrom this balancer came that I am using) came with the heavier
balancers. I dunno, maybe lower revs and a heavier driveline mean it's
good to have a big balancer...Since they are all zero balanced
interchangeability is not a problem.

Come to think of it, you can probly put a dual pulley on the old style
balancer too, cuz there's bolt holes in the balancer, used for a puller, or
, possibly, a pulley. I can't remember if the power steering pump on the
merc car (it's been a good 7 months since I saw it last) ran off the bottom
pulley, or just off the fan pulley.

Hope this kinda helped. In short I'll go check the balancers tonite.


marko

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:05:34 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Slow Tuesday?!

At 08:37 AM 16/06/98 +0000, you wrote:
> I'm very ansie (ansea?)

Gary:

Antsy, like ants in your pants antsy.


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

can't wait to squash a few ants in my restored Mercury Pickup

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:10:18 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T/C - Finger Lickin Good!

On the subject of transfer cases, specifically Dana 21's:

Mm! (chomp) ya know (smak! chomp! gulp) this here Kentucky Fried Crow sure
is good (belch!)!

Just goes to show, I shud never poke my nose in something I haven't got my
hands into first, like Dana 21's!

If you wanna know, I have rebuilt an NP 205 (completely), but only the NP
205. I will restrict myself on the subject of transfer cases to that topic
from now on.

That way the Audubon Society will leave me alone...


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca


CAW!!

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:09 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing decals

>everyone says to use a heat gun, and i don't have one. i tried the
>vinegar, and the warmer it was the better it worked. i think it will, as
>long as the sticker is not too mangled. the ones i removed were in very
>good shape, and once i got a corner up it pulled off very clean, with very
>little ripping, etc.
>
>sleddog
>
>do u suppose vinagar will work on bumper stickers as well?

Waitaminute here. Are we talking about saving the decals, or just getting
them off?
You could use a hair dryer instead of a heat gun ya know.

As for bumper stickers, the hair/heat shud work pretty good, unless they've
really been baked on for a long time. If you're gonna clean them off the
bumper or maybe glass, i'd use oven cleaner. Don't get this stuff on
Aluminum or steel, and try to keep it off your paint too. It is pretty
caustic stuff (foamy canned hot-tank if I'm not mistaken, concentrated
NaOH).


marko

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 10:55:33 -0700
From: "SGT CHRISTOPHER S DENSON"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires

Hey gang,
my fuel gauge on my '67 does the same thing: shows 3/4 full on a full
tank. On a more pressing
issue, my truck is completely restored and had the right front tire blow
out for no reason, brand new Michelin tire. Well it did about $900.00
damage to the inner and outer fenders. The road I was driving on at the
time was freshly repaved and clean! When I sent the tire and paperwork in
to Michelin they said it wasn't manufacturers fault and that they weren't
paying for the damages.
What to do. I know good and damn well this tire blew for no reason. It
was 3 months at the time.
Now I'm out 900.00. Any advice would be most appreciated.
Chris in San Diego
'67 f100/352/c6 Camper Special
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:09:17 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires

> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 10:55:33 -0700
> From: "SGT CHRISTOPHER S DENSON"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires

> freshly repaved and clean! When I sent the tire and paperwork in to
> Michelin they said it wasn't manufacturers fault and that they
> weren't paying for the damages. What to do. I know good and damn

Where's Dave when you need him :-( Hope you can get the tire back?
No evidence, no contest :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:44 -0700
From: "Smith, Lincoln Douglas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New to the list

Since I am completely new to this list and have only spent one day lurking,
I might be posting too soon. But I have to ask a quick question that might
prevent me from asking off topic ones. I have just bought a 1963 MERCURY
econoline window van, as a resto project (first one and completely new to
it). In a lot of the internet resources, Vans seem to fall through the
crack between cars and trucks. I suspect that the early year econoline vans
would fall more inline with trucks, so my question is (finally) am I in the
right spot? Is there somewhere else I should go? Is there any Econoline
owners that would send me there favorite Econoline (resto) related webpages?
Guess that was three questions... oh well.

Thanks

Linc S
Victoria, BC
Canada
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:14:52 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes locked

It was written:

>went out the next
>morning everything was fine got about 5 miles down the road and the
>front end started vibrating rpms went up and again brakes were locked up
>any ideas? TIA for the help


I had a similar problem a few months ago that turned out to be a bad power
booster. Seems it was keeping pressure on the brake system.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250 4x4, 351M, C6, NP205
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:14:59 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear End

It was written:

>So from what I understand limited slip is a "one wheel wonder". What do I
>need so that when I take off I get both tires turn and I can leave two black
>marks instead of one ("a two wheel wonder")? :)

What you are looking for is a locker, but I wouldn't recommend it for street
use unless you really enjoy rebuilding rear axles.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250 4x4, 351M, C6, NP205
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:25:00 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: Fuel gages and tires

At 10:55 AM 16/06/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey gang,
>my fuel gauge on my '67 does the same thing: shows 3/4 full on a full
>tank. On a more pressing
>issue, my truck is completely restored and had the right front tire blow
>out for no reason, brand new Michelin tire. Well it did about $900.00
>damage to the inner and outer fenders. The road I was driving on at the
>time was freshly repaved and clean! When I sent the tire and paperwork in
>to Michelin they said it wasn't manufacturers fault and that they weren't
>paying for the damages.
>What to do. I know good and damn well this tire blew for no reason. It
>was 3 months at the time.
>Now I'm out 900.00. Any advice would be most appreciated.
>Chris in San Diego
>'67 f100/352/c6 Camper Special

Hey Chris,

I'm a lawyer in Canada but heck, some advise crosses borders.

Do you have any record of the event? Keep things like: accident
report/repair bills/shipping bill to tire co/paperwork to tire co/letter to
tire co/response from tire co

Did you buy this tire from a dealer? if so why did you send the tire to
Michelin? I'm not criticizing I'm asking.

My advice to you is to sue the tire co. You don't need a lawyer, just go
to small claims court and sue them. It'll be your word against theirs.
You can prove how the damage was caused, they can't. You can ask them to
bring the tire back. You can examine the tire again. This shud all cost
you at most 50 bucks.

Before you actually sue them, write them one more letter. Tell them that
you disagree with them, and you feel you should be compensated. Tell them
you can prove that the conditions were such that the tire shud not have
blown. Tell them that you are quite disappointed in their response. Tell
them that you are a member of a 2000+ member Ford Trucks list and that "it
would no doubt be disappointing to all the members to hear that one of
theirs felt he hadn't been treated fairly by the Michelin Tire Co., who
chose to deny his [your] claim." Do NOT say directly that you will
badmouth them cause that's libel. Just tell them that your audience will
not appreciate the facts. Telling facts is perfectly legal.

Then tell them that, on a "without prejudice basis" (make sure you say
these words) you are quite prepared to settle your claim against them for
$900 (or whatever it is) and a new tire. And tell them that you consider
this to be reasonable because you can document your claim and see no
possible defense. And then say that you hope that they will agreeto settle
the claim for the damages specified, to avoid your having to go to the
trouble of taking formal legal action against them. Tell them you would
appreciate an answer in two weeks.


If they deny you again, then sue them. As soon as you sue them, write and
ask them for your tire back so that you can have it examined by an expert
witness. They have probably destroyed the tire, which is real good for you.


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:32:04 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New to the list

At 11:10 AM 16/06/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Since I am completely new to this list and have only spent one day lurking,
>I might be posting too soon. But I have to ask a quick question that might
>prevent me from asking off topic ones. I have just bought a 1963 MERCURY
>econoline window van, as a resto project (first one and completely new to
>it).

COOL!

In a lot of the internet resources, Vans seem to fall through the
>crack between cars and trucks. I suspect that the early year econoline vans
>would fall more inline with trucks, so my question is (finally) am I in the
>right spot? Is there somewhere else I should go? Is there any Econoline
>owners that would send me there favorite Econoline (resto) related webpages?
>Guess that was three questions... oh well.
>
>Thanks
>
>Linc S
>Victoria, BC
>Canada


Hey Linc!

My friend Neil just finished a resto on a 65. The guy who restored it also
has another 65 panel van.

Econolines are awesome. Parts can be a little rare but not too bad, I have
a repro parts catalog for some hard to get stuff.

Neil and I share a shop in Ladner. We shud exchange phone nos (private
email) for those emergency-type situations (I'm lying here under my truck
and I can't seem to figure out how the so and so goes together...).

As far as questions on specific items, like suspension, drivetrain,
electrical, etc. goes, you could be on no better list in the world, IMHO.
Azie, Gary, Sleddog (how bout putting a 460 in that van!), Bill, Stu (bless
his memory!)Jeff, Deacon, Steve, M-block Dave, and whoever else I forgot
(oh yeah, Jim Hurd!) will be sure to give you tons of the best advice
available for any price.

Welcome to the list!

marko in vancouver
67 mercury 250 4x4 410 np435 np205
71 ford 100 360
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:48:08 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - H*lp! New to the list

Both Four Wheeler magazine and Petersen's 4 Wheel & Off Road magazine have
published a comprehensive state by state list of lift laws. You might try
to write or e-mail them.
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> Forwared for: dgerow coal.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have been refered to this list by someone who seems to think that I
> may get some help here. My situation is this:
>
> I recently purchased a '78 F-150 and I've been doing
> work to it regularly. Its been lifted by about 6 inches and has 35"
> BFG's. I live in Massachusetts, and I need to find out if anyone knows
> off-hand or could point me to someone who knows the laws regarding
> height limitations on trucks. Now, I have been in contact with State
> Troopers, local police, people at the Registry and the DOT and so far I
> have got about 6-8 different answers. I have had problems with this
> situation before with my Bronco (i'll never learn). If anyone has any
> info, even if it is for another state, I would really appreciate it.
> Thank you in advance. Please email me privately or post any replys to
> the list.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:54:36 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T/C - Finger Lickin Good!

Yo Marko, save summa that KFC for me! I'm the one that spouted off on the
Dana 24!

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> From: Marko Maryniak
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - T/C - Finger Lickin Good!
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 10:10 AM
>
> On the subject of transfer cases, specifically Dana 21's:
>
> Mm! (chomp) ya know (smak! chomp! gulp) this here Kentucky Fried Crow
sure
> is good (belch!)!
>
> Just goes to show, I shud never poke my nose in something I haven't got
my
> hands into first, like Dana 21's!
>
> If you wanna know, I have rebuilt an NP 205 (completely), but only the NP
> 205. I will restrict myself on the subject of transfer cases to that
topic
> from now on.
>
> That way the Audubon Society will leave me alone...
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:26:45 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE:FTE 61-79 - removing decals - getting engine block

just getting them off - no need to save them. the hairdryer should work,
but i donot have one of them either and if i use nancy's i'll be in trouble
for sure. especially since it has been raining almost all day every day
here and i was removing them in the rain. i think my hair would have stood
up on end if i used a hair dryer!

on to other things. i should be getting my block today. the cylinders are
a little thin, and a bit outta round, but i'll have to make do until i can
get an SVO block. only $100 for a sleeved cylinder (.110 over 460) and 8
cylinders honed and a cleaning (not hot tanked). not a bad price at all.

sleddog

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From: Marko Maryniak[SMTP:marko dsm.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:43 PM
To: 61-79-list ....

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