61-79-list-digest Tuesday, June 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 328



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 8"/9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad removal
Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame
RE: FTE 61-79 - rear end question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame
FTE 61-79 - 302 EFI setup
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bill's Bed on his '65
FTE 61-79 - RE: Was EFI on a '73 302 NOW Silicone Black Magic
FTE 61-79 - seats, tailgates, bragging
FTE 61-79 - CRANK
FTE 61-79 - tailgate 77 ford f150 custom?
FTE 61-79 - Program dirt
Re: FTE 61-79 - CRANK
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302
FTE 61-79 - Chris Kelley
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wide Ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cargo lamp in a supercab
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end question
Re: FTE 61-79 - '72 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:27:46 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 8"/9"

Dennis writes: >>Were all early Mustangs 65-73 8"?/

NO!! Just some of them. Mostly the 6 bangers, and not even all of them.
I'm not even sure about the Mustangs, but I am sure about the Falcons, and
have been told it applied to the very early Mustangs.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:24:32 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help

Anyone know how to get that little metal box off of the plastic membrane?
It looks like 2 big rivets hold it on.

How do you get the new one on?

ThanX
- -----Original Message-----
From: sdelanty sonic.net
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help


>
>>All of the guages in my '70 F-100 don't work, and I've tried two other
>>dashes without luck. I would like to test the sending units to find out
>>wether the problem is in the wiring, or in the actual sensors themselves,
>>so I was wondering if somebody could give me the Ohm, Volt, or whatever
>>range for the Temp, Oil Pressure, and Fuel guage sending units. Thanks a
>>bunch!
>
> If none of the gauges work, it sounds like a power or ground connection
> that's common to the whole cluster. There's also a little metal box that's
> a voltage regulator for the cluster. Yours may be roasted...
>
> Steve
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>
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> leans on the doorbell.
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:52:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad removal

At 02:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>any mint door panals? or seats?
>

No seats, I'll check on door panels. What year do you
have? The 68+ isn't the same as the 67.

Ken Payne


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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 07:00:29 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame

Jeff: Spotted this one in our local recycler:

CUSTOM TRUCK
CUSTOM TRUCK 79 FORD F250
supercab 4x4, Dana 60 front & rear, power
steering, power brakes, air, dual battery &
gas,cd stereo, capt seats, 10K Warn win.,
custom whls, $5800 or best offer
714-770-0490

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> i have not had any luck in finding an extended cab 4x4 for sale.
> does any one know if a supercab cab and a shortbed will fit a std cab lwb
> truck
> 78-79?
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:43:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear end question

i'll give you some of my experience with the supposedly strong but always
breaks for me 9" rear. with no real organization, here's some thoughts.

first, there are 3 different housings. each one the center "pumpkin" is
wider than the other. the biggest was used on ford trucks in the 70's and
some muscle and luxo cars.

the limited slip is a clutch type differential. this is what you want
unless you do some harder wheeling, pulling, dragging, mudding, etc. the
detroit is the best locker. the other lockers are and -locs all fall
between the posi and the detroit locker somewhere to fill varying needs of
performance vs drivability etc.

any of them can be bought for the 9". only the posi type clutch pack came
factory from ford.

the carrier is what holds the ring gear and side gears. the case is the
third member, including the carrier, pinion, snout, etc. that bolts into
the axle housing.

the axle housings have at least 2 different bolt patterns on the ends for
bolting on the backing plate and axle retainers.

if you need a posi, get a 31 spline and get axles too. the 31 spline is
quite a bit stronger. if you buy aftermarket axles, do not get
thru-hardened axles. they are for racing only!

if it is an open diff, you can turn one side gear while holding the other.
use an axle to turn/hold the gears.

when getting used center sections, look inside into the third pinion
bearing next to the ring gear. these tend to crack. even cracked it will
work for awhile. i put almost 10 pulls on one cracked, and maybe more in
previous years on another one. but they do eventually break, usually
takeing out the ring gear and pinion.

for a street 460/c6 truck i myself would go locker. but i recommend for
anyone else a posi or open diff. i like lockers for they are predictable.
either you go straight under low throttle or you take it sideways under
heavy throttle - it is predictable. an open or posi is unpredictable.
give it WFO throttle one day and one tire spins, the next day you find
yourself doing 360's in the walmart parking lot! unless you already have a
tire spin/traction problem, an open is fine. if you do have a spin problem
then a posi would most likely be the best bet. and if anyone drives your
truck that is, shall i say, inexperienced with power/light back
end/sideways slides and sudden traction or loss of traction, a locker is a
definate NO-NO!

a locker must have both tires' rolling radius the same. NOT the tire
> pressure, but the actual radius of the tire. this does require some
attention.

i THINK all posi 9"ers are 31 spline axles. here is what i suggest. find
a $50 9" complete assy with a posi and 31 splines and swap it in (check it
out good first tho!) or get a 31 spline center with posi and axles and
correct wheel bearings to put into your housing.

i am sure someone like moser, strange etc, can get you a posi for yours,
but i think going with stock ford 31 spline posi is the cheapest way.

can't help with numbers, but usually the gear ratio is on the ring gear
stamped.

there's more, but now my fingers are tired. maybe later i can tell you how
i made two different 9"ers into one unit including getting the rust off the
ring gear enough so it will rotate in record time and made a couple pulls
on it without breaking so far it is still in the truck. and i mean those
gears where rusty!

sleddog

ps-go to the library. some of the 4 wheel mags have good articles on the
differences between the locker/psoi/open/spool/torsen/etc

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Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 4:17 PM
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear end question


O.K. your rear end experts...help me

I've been looking for a limited slip 9" 28 spline chunk for a while
and gathered a little information...just enough to confuse me

I see the names traction-loc, an equal-loc, limited slip etc...nad I
understnad some have clutches..some don't ???

Can anyone give a definitive description of each?
Are all interchangeable into a 9" case ?
What numbers, stamps, markings identify each ?
Pros & cons for a street truck using a 460/C-6 combo

Ive found one that has the stamping C6AW on the differential case
(where the ring gear bolts on) and 9D30 somewhere on the body of the
differential case (I'm saying "case" to identify where the
differental side gears mesh.. and differential carrier is the front
portion of the chunk that everything is bolted to, that's what the
ford book calls them anyway)

I don't have the complete chunk so no tag, I also have another full
chunk sans tag..tell me what to look for please

can anyone tell me if this is a locker, limited slip or what

I see no clutches only gear clusters

Your assistance oh great ones, please !!!!!

john
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:52:33 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help

Hey Dave-

I was the one who started this whole ordeal on guages, and I haven't
replied to all of the great people who helped me with my problem because my
plastic membrane plug ripped right off when I CAREFULLY tried to remove the
regulator, and since then I haven't had a chance to solder up the new one
to see if that was the problem, I haven't opened my mouth.
But to answer your question, it's a 9 volt battery type plug. Get a pick
or something and gently pry between the regulator and the membrane at each
plug and you'll have better luck than I did hopefully!

Tony

At 09:24 AM 6/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone know how to get that little metal box off of the plastic membrane?
>It looks like 2 big rivets hold it on.
>
>How do you get the new one on?
>
>ThanX
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sdelanty sonic.net
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:28 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
>
>
>>
>>>All of the guages in my '70 F-100 don't work, and I've tried two other
>>>dashes without luck. I would like to test the sending units to find out
>>>wether the problem is in the wiring, or in the actual sensors themselves,
>>>so I was wondering if somebody could give me the Ohm, Volt, or whatever
>>>range for the Temp, Oil Pressure, and Fuel guage sending units. Thanks a
>>>bunch!
>>
>> If none of the gauges work, it sounds like a power or ground connection
>> that's common to the whole cluster. There's also a little metal box that's
>> a voltage regulator for the cluster. Yours may be roasted...
>>
>> Steve
>> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/
>>
>> Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
>> leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:52:25 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame

i have not had any luck in finding an extended cab 4x4 for sale.
> does any one know if a supercab cab and a shortbed will fit a std cab lwb
> truck
> 78-79?

Where do you live. I know of one for 900$. No bed though. Has AC and
75 grill. I'm in central Jersey.

OX

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:14:36 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 EFI setup

Hewre's a guy selling the efi setup for $200. Sounds pretty cheap to
me.

Regards
John



JetJockey my-dejanews.com wrote:

> I have a late 80's 5.0 (302) fuel injection intake
> (upper and lower) with injectors, throttle body,
> mass airflow computer, complete wiring diagram, and
> new sensors. Everything is in excellent condition.
>
> This set-up *was* going to go onto my '68 Cougar, but
> I've decided to go with a Paxton feeding a Holley
> Projection instead...I'm looking for $200 for the
> whole pile of stuff.
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:46:54 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bill's Bed on his '65

>I was looking at the photos of your beast and had a long look at your
truck's bed. All
>the 64, 65, 66 Stylesides I have seen have a flare running off the fender
well back to
>the bumper. I can not make this out in your photos. Is it there or is
this something
>from another year? I see that you have the same stainless steel grill that
I do. Got
>mine off a junked '66.


The bed is a '57 to '60 style bed. Ford used them on the F100 4X4 through
'65, and the F250 4X4 through '66. My wheelbase is only 120 in, where the
fancy bed trucks are 129 in. The reason they used them is when they had the
unibody, they had a poblem with flex, so the 4x's got the old style bed. I
also think that it interchanged with phone truck beds and the optional
stakebed, so why change? I've had people get almost hostile when I tell them
that it came that way. There's a picture of one just like mine in Moses
Ludel's "F-series Owner's Bible", and in Jim Allen's "Classic 4X4's"

As for the grille, I think it's an NOS '66. A counter old-timer at the Ford
dealership (former line mechanic) said that it's possible on the 4X's to
have the new grille, or an older one even. (say's he's seen it before) I
also have an NP435 which wasn't supposed to be available until '66 (the code
matches) They built them out of leftovers or whatever they had on hand. If
they ran out of something they got an old piece (or a new one if it was in
the plant) He also said that they were special ordered so they were built on
a demand basis usually to fill fleet contracts. Thus they were run through
pretty quick with the emphasis on drivetrain. The fit and finish on the body
was pretty crude, bolts left out etc. The wiring requires a '63 '64 and '65
diagram to get the colors to match and it appears to not have been replaced.
He said that this was common too. They weren't made to the same finish
standards as standard trucks, if you think about it who could anticipate one
lasting this long the way they were worked to death. Did anyone on the list
work at the Kansas City plant in '65 and could substantiate all of this? All
of this said, it isn't the one that came on it, so I'll say it's an NOS '66.

Love that old beast, it really is someting else. Now that it's lined out it
drives as well as any truck I've ever had. SWMBO hates my "hillbilly" truck
but has said that she can't believe I could get it as nice as it is, being
what it is.


Come on over to my Back Porch
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Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:54 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was EFI on a '73 302 NOW Silicone Black Magic

Deacon wrote:

> Just the idea that someone could program instructions into a cube of
>dirt to do what they do, baffles the hell out of me. :)

I work for a vendor company in the semiconductor industry. It was amazing
to me too until I had a chance to visit one of our customers a couple of
weeks ago. The had all of this high tech facad up front but as I passed a
back room I happened to see a bunch of old croans gathered around a bubbling
cauldron. They were muttering something about eye of newt, leg of lamb,
frog gizzard, crow beak, dragon's breath, and a pinch of troll wart. Then
poof there appeared a wiz bang gizmo. So I guess it's magic. No wait it's
FM. No wait it's PFM. Yeah that's it. ;0)

Tom H.
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