61-79-list-digest Monday, June 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 326



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
FTE 61-79 - Re:Auto Krafters Catalogs given away
FTE 61-79 - 400 timing
FTE 61-79 - you got to be kiddin
Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
Re: FTE 61-79 - you got to be kiddin
FTE 61-79 - re:Installing SEFI 5 Liter HO Engines
FTE 61-79 - 9"
FTE 61-79 - Rollover/ bad rods?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 timing
FTE 61-79 - Generator/Fan
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - 9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - 9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - 9"
FTE 61-79 - Official word on 351W mass air upgrade..
FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question/answer
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:10:48 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

>Something strange is happening. Probably because of the unnatural state of
>things I've created. I installed in my '62 351C an electric fan from
>an---now this is the hard part--IROC Z--I'm sorry--I got it in a trade and
>summers are really tough financially for teachers, and....
>Back to the strange situation this created. I had to install it as a
>"pusher" instead of a "puller" due to the clearance and consruction of the
>unit. I wired it to the Ignition lead on the regulator. Now whenever I
>turn the truck off and the tuner is on, the damn radio keeps playing 5 to
>10 seconds after the key is off. Never did this before. Is the fan motor
>acting as a little generator, feeding jice to the radio while it winds
>down? Seems like I've discovered something here. Or the truck is haunted.
> A few months back it was shifting itself, so....

It's an allergic reaction, Your truck is trying to reject the chevy
parts. If You don't get that thing out of there soon complete destruction
of the entire electrical sysstem is imminent...

Actually, You are experiancing the joy of wind generation! I had this
problem when I first put the fans in my truck. They were wired into the
switched hot from the key and when the fans were running and You shut
the ignition off it would take 1-2 seconds for the engine to die...
If You were travelling down the road at speed and turned the key off,
it would just keep running indefinately, with the fans generating the
electricity to run the ignition!

The easy solution is to use a relay to drive the fans, which isolates
the fans from the ignition circuit and also takes the heavy current
load foor the fans off of the ignition switch.
I used the same Bosch relay that I used in my headlight relay conversion
which I wrote up in the "whiter whites, brighter brights" article.
They are about $3 each.

If You want to use a relay and need some help figuring out the hookup,
let me know...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:10:50 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

>as for the fan acting as a generator - on my car, if you spin a fan by
>hand, the other fan turns too. in the same direction as you turn the first
>one. i at first thought it was air currents, but found that the air
>movement was not enough. i decided that it must be a electrical thing.
>
>maybe if i drive fast enough they'll charge the battery? ;)
>
>sleddog

They most certainly will! At 60MPH, my pair of electric fans can deliver
almost 7 amps of current back into the charging system!

Steve
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Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 13:16:31 -0500
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Auto Krafters Catalogs given away

We currently publish 14 different catalogs. They are all free to Ford
truck list members. Email me your address with vehicle type. Here's
what we have:
1953-72 Ford pickups, 1973-79 Ford pickups and 78-79 Broncos, 1992-98
F-series and 93-98 Rangers, 1966-77 Broncos, 91-98 Exporers and 97-98
Expeditions, 1960-70 Falcons including 60-66 Rancheros, 1962-71
Fairlanes, Torinos, Comets and 67-71 Rnacheros, 72-76 Torinos and 72-79
Rancheros, 65-73 Mustangs, 67-73 Cougars, 60-70 Galaxies and LTDs, 70-77
Mavericks and Comets, 58-76 Thunderbirds, and our only none Ford catalog
covers Jeep Wranglers. We do not currently publish a catalog for 80-91
Ford pickups. We will have a catalog for these Ford trucks within the
next 6 months. We currently have some used and new parts for these
vehicles. Thanks to all the list members for their support. Don't
forget - We pay $25 gift certificates for pictures that we use of your
Ford truck. If you want to email pictures, please use
akcat shentel.net

Email catalog requests to akraft shentel.net

Secure online ordering is now available on our web site. Web orders ship
at reduced rates or free. See below for details.

Thanks, Ron Miller

P.S. We will be Fords at Carlisle this week end and Trucks at Carlise on
June 19-21 and we will be at Pigeon Forge next year.


>Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:07:06 -0500
>From: "Dennis K. Austin"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: AutoKrafters Catalog given away...
>
>> Hey Ron Miller!
>
>In the mail came a new issue of your catalog that was too new for my
>truck. While I
>was down at one of our offices in Pineville, La. I found that the folks
>there had
>acquired a 91 Ford "dually". I have not had a chance to look at it since
>its in the
>shop, but it was a seized vehicle. Seized for drug use. Its missing some
> parts and had
>been in storage for a few years. Anyway, on my next trip down last week,
>I gave them
>this catalog, even though your catalog didn't cover that year, and told
>them to call
>you to see if you could help them out. If you don't mind I will pass on
>the catalogs I
>can't use to my friends with newer trucks.
>
>- -=DENNIS=-
>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Mon, 18 May 98 19:42:46 -0500
>> From: "Ronald D. Miller"
>> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:'78 Ranchero parts source
>>
>> >Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:53:19 EDT
>> >From: Hoover663
>> >Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 ford Ranchero
>> >
>> >Does anyone know of places I can get parts,info,manuals,or a web site with
>> >pictures of Rancheros anything will be helpful
>>
>> Auto Krafters, Inc. sells new and used 72-79 Ranchero parts. Free
>> catalogs for Ford truck list members. Send email request to
>> akraft shentel.net
>>
>> Secure online ordering now available at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com
>>
>> Thanks, Ron Miller, President Auto Krafters. Inc.
>>


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:16:39 -0700
From: "Art & Kat Lutz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 timing

I recently had to put a new distributer in my 78 F-250 400m. Before
the change I was having problems with a detination ping under load, but now
its gone. I have not heard a ping in about a month, but it seems like I
have lost performance on the bottom end. Yesterday I barrowed a good
timing light from my neighbor and checked it. MY initial timing was 12
without vacume, it went up to 16 at 2500 rpms without vacume, and 46 at
2500 rpms with vacume. Now 46 seems high to me, can anybody tell me what
the advance should be? or is 46 okay, I was thinking more in the 30's. But
I would think that if the timing was high I would still have the ping. Is
it possible I am off a tooth on the distributer gear?


A few years ago I was also having problems with vapor lock. When it
got above 100 here in vegas, and I was driving the truck slow it would just
die, and it would take 5 or 6 minutes to get the gas back up to the carb.
I put a holley electric fuel pump, and rubber fuel line on it and have not
had a problem in 3 years.

Thanks Art Lutz

78 F-250 XLT 4X4, 400M



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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:37:23 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - you got to be kiddin

> Date: Fri, 15 May 98 17:10:55 -0700
> From: "SGT CHRISTOPHER S DENSON"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - ...no subject...
>
> To Ryan Dorman,
> How many Army dogs are there? 400,000+? There's 174,000 Marines. Now,
let's
> talk about ASVAB scores, The Marine Corps comes in second behind the Air
> Farce while the Army comes in a distant last behind the Navy, why is that?
So
> who's the real dumb dumbs here? What your Army Ranger Special Forces do
is
> just another day for our regular grunts. Just proves not everybody can be
a
> Marine while anybody can be a soldier. What kind of training do you do?
A-
> R-M-Y T-R-A-I-N-I-N-G S-I-R!!!!!!!!!! Semper Fi soldier.
>
> Chris
> 67 F100 Camper Special/352


A mind is a terrible thing to waste, but if you are going to waste one at
least let it be a Marines

Erik J. Marquez
SFC, USA
Platoon Sergeant


Erik Marquez
78 Bronco
> bronco78 mosquitonet.com
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:00:25 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question

Thanks for your message at 01:03 PM 6/1/98 -0400, David Butts. Your message
was:
>I'm saying it works in spite of the impedance. But should have it's own
>ground and not use the bulbs to get ground. Basically it needs to be hooked
>up without the lights first, and when that works then add the dimmer lights
>to the tach. That way it is easier to troubleshoot.
>
My SunPro has a black ground wire that is essential to its operation.
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard.
It's gonna be a convertible!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:09:48 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302

>
>> If broncos changed to mass air in 96...could I use a setup of a 351
>> Bronco for my Lightning and have a coimputer chip custom burnt?
>>
>
> I think this has been looked into and is not possible yet. The ability
>to make chips is based off the original EEC (model #). I'm sure more are
>being added all the time, but recent (within past 6 months) talk on the
>Bronc mailing list led me to believe those EEC's has not been covered
>yet.

Ford has typically been very protective of any thing to do with their EEC
systems. It's been an aggravation in independant shops for years to not have
full data access with a scan tool, and in fact had to be forced to allow
aftermarket diagnostics access to be compatable with their systems. You can
imagine the fight it takes to allow access to make custom chips. As an
aside, GM is tightening up their allowances for aftermarket modifications to
their systems too. This may be a trend industry wide.

As versatile as EEC-IV on up is, as long as a you have mass-air, what do you
gain from an aftermarket chip anyway, except a little savings in your
case(maybe)? I could see an advantage on speed-density, but I bet most
aftermarket chips (if they existed) would take you backwards in most cases.

Why not get the computer and everything out of the '96 Bronco and save the
aggravation? Sure it's a little more money than just a chip, but the way
things are in the aftermarket on Fords, I can't help but think you'd be
doing youself a favor.
Come on over to my Back Porch
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:30:28 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

Been there.....

If you have the speakers hooked up, there shouldn't be too many wire left on
the back of the radio. An AMP turn on lead that will be hot whenever the
radio is turned on, and the memory wire. There shouldn't be TOO many sparks
if you hookup the remaining wires to a 12v hot. ;-) one of them will work.


>Now of course the memory dies when
>you turn off the key but there should be a small memory wire that
>stays lit all the time and consumes much less juice than the radio
>but he doesn't know what he did with the manual so....:-(
>
>
>-- Gary --


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:50:31 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - you got to be kiddin

'Jar Head' with a mind..... now that's a good one. 8-)

Any one know why a marine is called a 'Jar Head'? (It's not a riddle, I
work with a lot of marines, and they are great guys, I wonder why they are
called 'Jar Heads')

- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Marquez


>
>A mind is a terrible thing to waste, but if you are going to waste one at
>least let it be a Marines
>
>Erik J. Marquez
>SFC, USA
>Platoon Sergeant


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 14:59:05 -0400
From: "Donald R. Haulsee"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:Installing SEFI 5 Liter HO Engines

I have retrofitted several cars to SEFI injection. I have been able to buy
complete SEFI injection systems for about $250. I personally prefer Speed
Density over Mass Air on a stock HO roller engine. A Speed Density setup is
simpler, cheaper, and SLIGHTLY faster on a stock engine. MM&FF has run
several dyno tests on speed density versus mass air and their conclusion is
the the speed density system runs slightly leaner than mass air and thus give
about 4-5 hp more than mass air on a STOCK 5 liter. Speed density will handle
exhaust changes easily, but will not tolerate anything that changes the air
flow characteristics of the engine appreciably. IE cams, heads, and intake
mods typically don't work well without burning a custom chip.

For lively discussions on speed density versus mass air, go to
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.corral.net. That is the late model Mustang bulletin board. Also
check out their auction board for parts.

Speed Density injection systems are available for dirt because a lot of the
Corral stangers are building VERY MODIFIED engines. I recently bought a
spare SD computer for $25 and several months ago bought 2 intakes with
injectors, engine harness,all sensors, throttle bodies, EGR spacers, two fuel
pumps, another computer, and one primary harness for $90.

I pulled the 6 banger out of my 66 F100 on Saturday. I dropped the 88 SD
Mustang HO with AOD into the chassis on Sunday. Now I'm just taking care of
the details such as converting the HO motor to V belt (I don't want to run a
serpentine when all I have is the alternator and water pump), getting a
driveshaft made, deciding how to route the exhaust, and figuring out how I'm
going to get a fuel return line back to the tank in the cab. I would like to
have it running by the weekend, but I think Carlisle is going to push that
back another week.

A Mustang SD setup can be converted to Mass Air relatively easily. The Corral
has a tech article on the conversion.

Finally, I have personally dismantled 88 vintage Crown Vic 5 liter engines
that were roller cam engines. Ford did go to roller cams across the board on
5 liter engines sometime in the very late 80's. An HO engine has forged
pistons (up to 93), different cam, different heads (Truck heads versus
shrouded valve heads), larger upper intake and throttle body, and larger
injectors. I have confirmed that the lower intakes for the 88 model year
carried identical part numbers.

Don Haulsee
Richmond, Va

85 Capri RS 5.0 5 spd Converted to SEFI(Speed Density)
86 Thunderbird TurboCoupe 5 spd (18 Psi Boost - Intercooled)
87 Merkur XR4Ti Automatic Resurrected from the DEAD (Waste Gate Blew-AGAIN!)
66 F100 Stepside being converted to 5.0 HO SEFI(Speed Density)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:59:21 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 9"

Gary writes: >>Ok, so now how interchangeable are the third members? I
know the outer axle bearings changed several times from sealed ball....

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