61-79-list-digest Monday, June 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 325



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
FTE 61-79 - RE: Dual exhausts & dual fuel tanks
FTE 61-79 - Front loader 9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front loader 9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Frame Compatibilty
FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts & dual fuel tanks??
Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exausts & dual fuel tanks??
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
FTE 61-79 - Names/picture
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts & dual fuel tanks??
Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
FTE 61-79 - Re: incantiaions, burning bow ties, and vacum leaks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
FTE 61-79 - attn; chris sammuel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:58:37 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question

> From: "David Butts"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:57:32 -0400

> Good luck. I can't seem to be able to explain this any other way.

If I understand this thread you are saying that the bulbs are in
series with the tack ground and so when on it has a ground with some
impedance which doesn't seem to hurt it's operation but when the
bulbs are off the it's off so the dash light switch must be in series
with the tach ground.........Is that about right?


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 08:12:20 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Dual exhausts & dual fuel tanks

*Bob- Everybody here on this list knows by now that I am not very
*experienced with the workings of cars and trucks but I would like to
*comment on your present setup if you don't mind. I do about 100+ miles
*a day driving around in pretty heavy traffic and have seen lots of
*vehicles drop their drive shaft. And most of the time, seems like they
*come loose from the transmission-end. At first, the shaft drops down
*onto the roadway and starts ripping up the road. As the vehicle coasts
*to a stop, the shaft can hit a depression and literally lift the back
*end up and polevault the vehicle to one side. I once saw a car get
*thrown up sideways and onto a sidewalk. Luckily, nobody was on the
*sidewalk. Anyway, on the bright side, it sounds like your exhaust
*setup would prevent something like that from happening to you. And with
*that aux tank hung between the frame, it sounds like its your only
*option.
* One other thing - hopefully eveyone here from the north-central and
*north-east areas got through the night OK after those incredible
*thunder storms/tornados ripped through!!! It was pretty nasty. Jack
P.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:32:32 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front loader 9"

gary writes: >>When did the front loader 9" come out?

1957.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:54:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front loader 9"

> From: am14 chrysler.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:32:32 -0400
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front loader 9"

> gary writes: >>When did the front loader 9" come out?
>
> 1957.

Ok, so now how interchangeable are the third members? I know the
outer axle bearings changed several times from sealed ball bearings
to tapered to flat roller bearings and there are at least two
diameters as well but what about the third members?



78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:10:22 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302

> If broncos changed to mass air in 96...could I use a setup of a 351
> Bronco for my Lightning and have a coimputer chip custom burnt?
>

I think this has been looked into and is not possible yet. The ability
to make chips is based off the original EEC (model #). I'm sure more are
being added all the time, but recent (within past 6 months) talk on the
Bronc mailing list led me to believe those EEC's has not been covered
yet.

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:15:55 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Frame Compatibilty

> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:26:17 -0500
> From: "Dennis K. Austin"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Frame Compatibilty

> However, our mechanic said that during the roll over the engine
> somehow stressed the rods and wasn't useable. Maybe the guys known
> the term for it, but apparently when, the car is flipping, and the

Did this mechanic actually take the engine apart or was he giving
you a line of bull? Depending on how the vehicle lands, that is how
hard and in what direction relative to it's own axis certain things
can happen to the engine but rods are not the first thing I would
suspect to be damaged, the crank OTOH is and I've heard of truama
from a rear impact knocking the front stub off even but rods???

If he took it apart and found the rods to be bad then some other
cause would be my first inclination, not the rollover......Anybody
else ever hear of this?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:16:06 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts & dual fuel tanks??

Bob,

I've got an '83 extended cab, 460, dual tanks with the same dual exhaust
setup, as well as a '79 single cab, 429, with single tank, also the same. I
believe running both exhaust on passenger side is safety related in order to
keep their heat away from fuel lines run up the driver's side.
I'm probably thinking way to simple on this and probably wrong on the reason
why. I can just tell you that's the way I've seen it done on all of these
trucks I remember examing.

Stoney

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:18:36 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302
> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:44:21 -0700

> project. One of my trucks strong points is it runs like a raped ape.
> An Aluminum intake with a 4BBL is more it's style, maybe even the
> right multi-carb setup would fit in. Along with better carburetion
> I'll also be putting O2 sensors in the exhaust for tuning it. More
> on that as I find out more on that. :) Later!

Get a carb with vented floats and put a carbon can on to vent the
fuel tank as well and you will have all the advantages of the EFI
plus better mileage and performance :-) (as long as you don't use a
poorly metered hole in the top of the engine (Holley))

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:28:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exausts & dual fuel tanks??

> From: "Bob"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exausts & dual fuel tanks??
> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:15:05 -0400

> folks can help me. I have a '78 extended cab with the 400M
> motorwith a edlebrock intake & Holley carb. Not the greates milage
> minded vehicle in the world, but what the hay.... Not sure if it is
> a factory or after market set-up, but it has duel tanks. The front
> one stradels the fram & extends to within 4 or 5 inches from the
> driveshaft. This leaves very little room for duel exausts.
> Currently it has duel exausts with the drivers side crosing over to

Walker makes a two into one exhaust which is quiet and efficient
which works very well for this application as long as you are not
planning on racing :-)

When you cross over you basically have to have one pipe longer than
the other and you sacrifice a great deal of the benifit of duals IMHO
and may even make it worse that stock depending on what kind of
mufflers you wind up with.

If were to run duals in this instance I would get the outside frame
headers and run the pipes outside the frame or stick with the two
into one setup myself :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:37:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco

> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:25:17 -0600
> From: Ryan Dorman
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco

> > you're better off to locate a 69 -71 model 351w
>
> I have a 351w and all the parts to put it in. I did not however ask
> how to put it in, I simply asked if there was an aftermarket
> supplier that made engine mounts for 390 in a 80's bronco swap.
> Thank you for all of the replies telling me to put a 351 in it, with
> no one even remembering the subject of the thread...

There are quite a few FE fanatics on this list who put up with the
quirks because they like the engine but there are some mother hens
too who didn't understand your love for the FE and who were shooting
for a "practical" solution for your problem. Sorry, we get carried
away sometimes.

Try L&L or Advance Adapters. There are some others but I don't
remember the names off hand.

The FE family certainly has some good features but you have to be in
love with it to actually want to swap it into a vehicle not
originally equipped with it IMHO which is fine, just not for
everbody :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:40:59 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Names/picture

Ken writes: >>I didn't want to embarrass myself! I only remember about
half the names!

That's my excuse - You're too young to use it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:48:04 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts & dual fuel tanks??

> From: "Melayne Arnold"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts & dual fuel tanks??
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:16:06 -0400

> I've got an '83 extended cab, 460, dual tanks with the same dual
> exhaust setup, as well as a '79 single cab, 429, with single tank,
> also the same. I believe running both exhaust on passenger side is
> safety related in order to keep their heat away from fuel lines run
> up the driver's side. I'm probably thinking way to simple on this
> and probably wrong on the reason why. I can just tell you that's the
> way I've seen it done on all of these trucks I remember examing.

It's a simple matter of where it will fit. There's no place to run
it on the driver side unless you get real fancy and go outside the
frame but that has other problems.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:19:10 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question

I think it's backwards.

When the lights are off, the bulbs allow for some ground with impedance.
The internal circuit of the tach must allow for the following ground when
the dimmer is off...


"real ground" -> dimmer bulb ground -> dimmer bulb -> dimmer bulb hot ->
(tach dimmer wire spliced into dimmer hot) -> tach dimmer bulb -> tach
ground

So when the dimmer circuit is off, the tach gets ground through the dimmer
bulbs of the vehicle, and through the tachs dimmer bulb.

When the dimmer circuit is on, the tach gets a hot into the (tach dimmer
wire), and there is no ground. I think the tach's main ground wire is not
connecting. I had the exact problem with a $18 JC Whipme tach and had to
solder a new ground wire for the tach, or it wouldn't work when I turned on
the lights.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary, 78 BBB
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question


>> From: "David Butts"
>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
>> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:57:32 -0400
>
>> Good luck. I can't seem to be able to explain this any other way.
>
>If I understand this thread you are saying that the bulbs are in
>series with the tack ground and so when on it has a ground with some
>impedance which doesn't seem to hurt it's operation but when the
>bulbs are off the it's off so the dash light switch must be in series
>with the tach ground.........Is that about right?
>
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:08:49 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco

Ryan Dorman wrote:
>
> JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:
>
> > you're better off to locate a 69 -71 model 351w
>
> I have a 351w and all the parts to put it in. I did not however ask how to put it
> in, I simply asked if there was an aftermarket supplier that made engine mounts
> for 390 in a 80's bronco swap.
> Thank you for all of the replies telling me to put a 351 in it, with no one even
> remembering the subject of the thread...
>

Not sure if 460 would bolt in place of 390 (same mounts ??), but some
early 80's F-250's had TTB up front and may have had 460's in them.
Their frames may at least be in the ballpark of the bronc.

OX


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:52:48 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302

Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302


>> If broncos changed to mass air in 96...could I use a setup of a 351
>> Bronco for my Lightning and have a coimputer chip custom burnt?
>>
>
> I think this has been looked into and is not possible yet. The ability
>to make chips is based off the original EEC (model #). I'm sure more are
>being added all the time, but recent (within past 6 months) talk on the
>Bronc mailing list led me to believe those EEC's has not been covered
>yet.
>


>From the information I have, the following companies should have a MAF kit
of some kind for the Fords.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pro-flow.com

Kenne Bell...call 909-941-6646 to order or
909-941-0985 (ask for Jim (Kenne) Bell if he's around


Also I am forwarding this message.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Stranik
To: bigbroncos unix.off -road. com
Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 3:11 PM
Subject: Official word on 351W mass air upgrade...

>
> I just spent an hour on hold with ford motorsport because I was eyeing
the
>mass air kit for my truck, but there is a little caption underneath that
says
>"call the tech hotline for modification instructions for 5.8L engines".
The
>official word from ford motorsport is that this kit was designed for the
wiring
>system on a 302 but he went through his books and compared all of the pin
>numbers on the wiring harness between the 302 and the 351 and the only pin
that
>is different is there is no knock sensor pin on the 351 wiring harness. He
said
>that shouldn't be a problem since the new computer that comes with the kit
>doesn't use the knock sensor anyway though. There was one other thing he
>mentioned about firing order which would have to be changed, and he wasn't
>talking about just switching the spark plug wire either... something about
4
>wires that would need to be cut and spliced in a different order... but all
in
>all the kit should work on the 351... One other thing though is that the
air
>duct is specifically designed to fit on a 302, so some minor fabrication of
a
>new air intake duct might be in order, but besides that...
> What the kit does is entirely replace the existing vehicles computer
with a
>new one, it rewires the injectors from bank fire to sequential fire, and of
>course has the mass air sensor. Pretty damn cool if you ask me... At an
asking
>price of $625.00 it looks pretty damn tempting. Anybody want to be the lab
rat
>and take the plunge?????? I'm half tempted to do it myself...
> Hope this helps answer some questions...


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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:44:38 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question

Thanks for your message at 06:40 PM 5/31/98 -0700, Deacon. Your message was:
>>Those flux capacitors are mighty expensive, and my Mr. Fusion has been
>on
>>the fritz ever since that last jump to hypertext. Any more ideas?
>
>I got it! Connect the tach light to a keyed 12v. Just let the light be
>on whenever the key is on. >

I was just about to make the same suggestion. That's the way mine is wired
and it works fine!


1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard.
It's gonna be a convertible!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:46:30 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question

> From: "David Butts"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:19:10 -0400

> So when the dimmer circuit is off, the tach gets ground through the
> dimmer bulbs of the vehicle, and through the tachs dimmer bulb.
>
> When the dimmer circuit is on, the tach gets a hot into the (tach
> dimmer wire), and there is no ground. I think the tach's main

That makes sense, no potential, no flow, two hots make a zero :-)
The bulbs offer considerable impedance so the voltage drop across the
tach due to the impeded ground renders it inoperable in the other
mode as well or are you saying the bulb ground is in parallel with
the tach ground? (in which case I should think it would have ground
all the time since the ground isn't switched?) or are you saying it
works in spite of the impedance?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 08:01:42 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

Something strange is happening. Probably because of the unnatural state of
things I've created. I installed in my '62 351C an electric fan from
an---now this is the hard part--IROC Z--I'm sorry--I got it in a trade and
summers are really tough financially for teachers, and....
Back to the strange situation this created. I had to install it as a
"pusher" instead of a "puller" due to the clearance and consruction of the
unit. I wired it to the Ignition lead on the regulator. Now whenever I
turn the truck off and the tuner is on, the damn radio keeps playing 5 to
10 seconds after the key is off. Never did this before. Is the fan motor
acting as a little generator, feeding jice to the radio while it winds
down? Seems like I've discovered something here. Or the truck is haunted.
A few months back it was shifting itself, so....

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:58:34 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: incantiaions, burning bow ties, and vacum leaks

Thanks to everyone for their help on my three year old rough idle problem. It
turns out everyone was right and it was a vacum problem. However, I have to
give credit for the fix to the incantation. I wasn't sure I'd find a Chevy
350 to flame but then I found an old model corvette from my chlidhood and the
show began. : ) The incantation revealed to me a part of the engine that had
not previously existed. I know this 'cause I've searched for vacum lines many
times and never seen these before : ) Way back behind the carb and below the
PCV was a doohickey with 3 or 4 vacum ports. One was plugged with a bolt and
two were connected by a kinked hose. I disconnected one end of the hose and
immediately the idle went up and the engine smoothed out. One new hose later
I'm back in business. Still not perfect but one can only expect so much. I
would recommend this incantation to anyone.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250 4x4, 351M, C6, NP205
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:16:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 08:01:42 -0700
> From: Dennis Pearson
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

> lead on the regulator. Now whenever I turn the truck off and the
> tuner is on, the damn radio keeps playing 5 to 10 seconds after the
> key is off. Never did this before. Is the fan motor acting as a
> little generator, feeding jice to the radio while it winds down?

If the motor is a permanent magnet armature as most of them are I
believe this could very well be what you have. Does it run all the
time or do you have a temp switch on it? Why is it connected to the
regulator instead of the acc or run side of the ignition switch?

I just hooked my son's radio up to the acc side of his bus ignition
switch. He had it hooked to the battery hot side so it ran all the
time and ran the battery down. Now of course the memory dies when
you turn off the key but there should be a small memory wire that
stays lit all the time and consumes much less juice than the radio
but he doesn't know what he did with the manual so....:-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:41:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

the last radio i did - a couple of years ago, the memory wire was the
orange one if i remember right.

as for the fan acting as a generator - on my car, if you spin a fan by
hand, the other fan turns too. in the same direction as you turn the first
one. i at first thought it was air currents, but found that the air
movement was not enough. i decided that it must be a electrical thing.

maybe if i drive fast enough they'll charge the battery? ;)

sleddog

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

I just hooked my son's radio up to the acc side of his bus ignition
switch. He had it hooked to the battery hot side so it ran all the
time and ran the battery down. Now of course the memory dies when
you turn off the key but there should be a small memory wire that
stays lit all the time and consumes much less juice than the radio
but he doesn't know what he did with the manual so....:-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --



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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:43:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - attn; chris sammuel

chris, couldn't find your email address - to lazy to look in digests on web site. send a "hi" so i can get it.

sleddog

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 08:56:18 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

Thanks for your message at 11:16 AM 6/1/98 +0000, Gary, 78 BBB. Your
message was:
>> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 08:01:42 -0700
>> From: Dennis Pearson
>> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio
>
>> lead on the regulator. Now whenever I turn the truck off and the
>> tuner is on, the damn radio keeps playing 5 to 10 seconds after the
>> key is off. Never did this before. Is the fan motor acting as a
>> little generator, feeding juice to the radio while it winds down?
>
>If the motor is a permanent magnet armature as most of them are I
>believe this could very well be what you have. Does it run all the
>time or do you have a temp switch on it? Why is it connected to the
>regulator instead of the acc or run side of the ignition switch?

I have a manual switch on it at this point. I'm a guage watcher, so I
shouldn't forget to turn it on. If you could see what the previous owner
did to the wiring under the dash (mismatched wire colors, spaghetti
arrangement, etc.) you would know why I took the simple route, at least
temporarily. It's been a continuous project, tracing down each and every
wire and getting everything back into some kind of order (I'm a Virgo, so
this is important). Also, the ignition switch does not go to acc. I guess
the key or the switch is too worn. It is the original switch and key (at
least it is the same as the door locks), so after 47 years, I guess it has
the right to be worn. This is the only thing about this truck that I can
complain about, and it hasn't caused any (serious) problems yet, so...

>I just hooked my son's radio up to the acc side of his bus ignition
>switch. He had it hooked to the battery hot side so it ran all the
>time and ran the battery down. Now of course the memory dies when
>you turn off the key but there should be a small memory wire that
>stays lit all the time and consumes much less juice than the radio
>but he doesn't know what he did with the manual so....:-(

I have a similar setup in my pickup and my Mustang. In my experience with
this memory wire, it seems it is usually yellow...
Don't know if that will help, but being a veteran of hundreds of yard sale
stereos, I know how frustrating it can be not to have a manual (or a clue)
about the wiring. I recently put a later model Mustang (yard sale)radio in
my wife's Rabbit Convertible. Let me tell you that was a process. I still
haven't figured out the amplifier.....But this is not the water-cooled VW
group, so I'd better shut this off now. > >
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard.
It's gonna be a convertible!

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 08:59:20 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

Thanks for your message at 11:41 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Sleddog. Your message was:
>the last radio i did - a couple of years ago, the memory wire was the
>orange one if i remember right.
>
>as for the fan acting as a generator - on my car, if you spin a fan by
>hand, the other fan turns too. in the same direction as you turn the first
>one. i at first thought it was air currents, but found that the air
>movement was not enough. i decided that it must be a electrical thing.
>
>maybe if i drive fast enough they'll charge the battery? ;)
>
>sleddog
Could this be the solution for electric vehicles? Could we defeat the
second law of thermodynamics?
Eureka! (Not CA).

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:38:06 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

At 11:41 AM 01/06/98 -0400, you wrote:
>maybe if i drive fast enough they'll charge the battery? ;)
>
>sleddog
>
Sleddog:

If you spin the one fast enough by hand, the other one will spin just as
fast, the net effect will be that of a turbofan, and, well, never mind....


marko 8^]

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:03:34 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question

I'm saying it works in spite of the impedance. But should have it's own
ground and not use the bulbs to get ground. Basically it needs to be hooked
up without the lights first, and when that works then add the dimmer lights
to the tach. That way it is easier to troubleshoot.

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From: Gary, 78 BBB
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question


>> From: "David Butts"
>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SunPro tach question
>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:19:10 -0400
>
>> So when the dimmer circuit is off, the tach gets ground through the
>> dimmer bulbs of the vehicle, and through the tachs dimmer bulb.
>>
>> When the dimmer circuit is on, the tach gets a hot into the (tach
>> dimmer wire), and there is no ground. I think the tach's main
>
>That makes sense, no potential, no flow, two hots make a zero :-)
>The bulbs offer considerable impedance so the voltage drop across the
>tach due to the impeded ground renders it inoperable in the other
>mode as well or are you saying the bulb ground is in parallel with
>the tach ground? (in which case I should think it would have ground
>all the time since the ground isn't switched?) or are you saying it
>works in spite of the impedance?
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:09:23 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio

> Is the fan motor acting as a little generator,

YES.


I wired mine with a little light in parallel with the fan.
If the fan stops getting power, the light on my dash goes off(, and I don't
stop for lights and stop signs :-)

I have noticed, that if I turn the fan off while on the highway, I get a
little voltage going to the light due to the generator effect.

I wired my fan via relay and fuse straight off the battery. That way you
are not bypassing anything and getting voltage into the wrong system. (aka
radio) Have a relay to the battery, triggered off of the ignition and your
problem will go away.

I love them relays.

CUL8R.

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From: Dennis Pearson
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:58 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Haunted radio


>Something strange is happening. Probably because of the unnatural state of
>things I've created. I installed in my '62 351C an electric fan from
>an---now this is the hard part--IROC Z--I'm sorry--I got it in a trade and
>summers are really tough financially for teachers, and....
>Back to the strange situation this created. I had to install it as a....


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