61-79-list-digest Friday, May 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 318



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 questions (semi long)
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
> Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
> FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero List
Re: FTE 61-79 -Steering Wheel Restoration was Att. Gary Bowling
FTE 61-79 - FE timing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard
FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing an FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - non FTE
FTE 61-79 - 62 F100, Elec. Problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
> Re: FTE 61-79 - headers for f150 4x4 with 429
FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - brake probs
FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
FTE 61-79 - 70 F100 S/B 2wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
FTE 61-79 - SWMBO
[none]
FTE 61-79 - Re: Clutch Chatter
FTE 61-79 - Att. Gary Bowling

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:24:30 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 questions (semi long)

Hi Mark,

I'll try to tackle a few of your questions:

3. How should I handle the wiring on this truck?
I'm trying to figure out why someone would change the steering column, must
have been a transmission swap when they put in the engine as well. I'll bet
its out of the same approximate year truck, but a stick shift (if the original
was auto) or an auto (if the original was a stick). Either way, you can still
get the steering column wiring harnesses from junkyards (seems a lot of
junkyards carry these, but brand new in the packages), Obsolete Ford and a
bunch of other places. You might pull off your steering wheel and see whats
there, then see if the replacement unit looks the same. I don't think this job
is a lot of fun, but it might cure whatever smoking problems you may have had.
Of course, this would be a waste of time if all the turn signals, horn, and
other accessories all work. Look under the dash and see if you can find some
burnt wires.....might want to replace or at least cover them up...

4. What can be done about the play in the steering?
A good way to nail down where the play is coming from is to fire up the
engine, have a friend steer the wheel from left to right (just a few inches
each way) while you crawl under and around and see where the slop is. Once you
find it, we can go from there. For example, you steering box should have some
adjustment in it, or a ragjoint (between the steering box and the firewall on
the steering shaft) may be shot....let us know what you see...

5. What should be done abou the brakes?
Couple of ways to go here....do you feel confident in working on them
yourself? If so, pull apart one axle at a time and inspect everything, you may
need new brake shoes and have the drums turned. Also check to see if there is
any brake fluid on the drums, and indication of a bad wheel cylinder. I'm not
sure how easy it is to find new brake drums for these if you need them, but
I'm sure somebody here does...

This isn't much help, but at least its a start....let us know how it goes!

Colorado Jeff

P.S.: Hope you didn't start another FE vs. 385 war with your engine swapping
question.....
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:54:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors

>I must have missed it, what web page for the animated engine ??

That would be mine. It's nothun spectacular but it's kinda cute
and since it's my first attempt I'm kinda proud of it... (-:
Thanks to Deacon for the help with it!
Address below...

Steve
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leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:54:07 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors

>My mistake, it is animated. Didn't wait long enough for all the junk
>to load I guess. Pretty cool Steve :-)

Whew, You had me worried! I thought I was gonna have to take my virtual
toolbox and virtual gas can and go fix it... (-:

>You'd still be trying to figure it out on Auto Cad 14..........:-)

I'd love to try, but AutoCAD 14 was way out of my price range... )-:
Turbo CAD v4 was over $300 cheaper and since I've never used any
CAD system until 9 days ago, I really didn't know quite what to expect
from one. I'm very impressed with it so far. I've spent about 30 hours
using it so far, so the learning curve is real steep right now and I'm
having *lot's* of fun! (-:

FWIW, on paper the "motor" had the following dimensions:

217.9 CID V-8 (Or 54.5 CID V-twin..)
3.40" bore
3.00" stroke
5.00" connecting rod
1.60" rod big end journal diameter
0.60" " small end " "
1.10" piston compression height

The origional animated drawing is big (about 640 x 480 pixels) and has 16
frames, in 22.5 degree rotation increments. I may post it to another
page and put a link to it. It's slow to rotate but that's cool cuz it
gives a chance to see what the pistons and rods are doing in 22.5 degree
increments. TurboCAD will also calculate the rod angles and how far
down the pistons are for each stage.
CAD is pretty cool, I'll bet I can use it to help design all kinds of
weird new junk for my F100. (-:

Steve
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:54:10 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

>> power, but Ihate to see the knowledge base get split up too
>> much...

>You and I have time to deal with the traffic but some do not so will
>give up the pool in the hopes of getting an answer from one of their
>own type with less Deacon and Gary and Jerry ( bronco list) cluttering
>up the mail box.

Yeah, I agree it can get a little overwhelming for me sometimes too,
but I've learned to use DEL a lot more lately also.
The hard thing about that is that subjects stray and soon the subject
header and the actual post have nothing to do with each other...
It helps if we can all try and make it a practice to change the subject
header when threads change topic...

Steve
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leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:39:33 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
>
I'm thinking about refurbing the steering wheel on my 76. It has a
leather/vinyl texture band that circles the horn button. This texture is
cast into the plastic/resin of the steering wheel and if I fill the cracks
would like to reproduce the texture in those areas. Does anyone have any
good ideas how to do it? I have considered sanding down the textured area
to simply remove it from the wheel and make the repair simpler, but I don't
think I would like the results. I guess I could try it on another wheel and
see if I like it. I would really rather figure out how to reproduce this
texture.

TIA

Tom H.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:09:18 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
>
I bought a vinyl repair kit once that came with several small pieces of
plastic that had different textures cast into them to reproduce various
vinyl patterns. All you did was press the piece of plastic into the goop
after you spread it on the hole/cut/tear and pulled it off after it dried.
I bought the kit at a local auto parts store and while it didn't work for
sh*t on the vinyl repairs you could probably find a texture close to what
you need. Sorry I can't remember the brand name, it was quite a few dead
brain cells ago!

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> From: Hogan, Tom
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
> > Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 4:39 PM
>
> I'm thinking about refurbing the steering wheel on my 76. It has a
> leather/vinyl texture band that circles the horn button. This texture is
> cast into the plastic/resin of the steering wheel and if I fill the
cracks
> would like to reproduce the texture in those areas. Does anyone have any
> good ideas how to do it? I have considered sanding down the textured
area
> to simply remove it from the wheel and make the repair simpler, but I
don't
> think I would like the results. I guess I could try it on another wheel
> and
> see if I like it. I would really rather figure out how to reproduce this
> texture.
>

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:59:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero List

>Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

>Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea?

There is already a Fairlane, Ranchero & Torino list in operation if anyone
is interested.

To s*bscribe go to: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dfwmotorsport.com/Fairlane

Chuck Colvin
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:41:36 -0400
From: "Kristen Marcellus"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Steering Wheel Restoration was Att. Gary Bowling

Marko wrote:

>Anyway, the wheel from my 67 is perfect, but as Ford was prone to do, it
>has been painted. I was thinking about the best way to remove the paint. I
tried glass >beading a
>spot but the bead just bounced off. I tried a bit of thinners and they
>worked, but that would probly do some serious damage to the plastic
>underneath. I was thinking stripper may work but with the same problem of
>stripping out the oils in the plastic underneath. What about sanding? is
>that what you did? What papers did you use? Can you send me some info?

My husband builds plastic models as a hobby and uses car paint on them. If
the paint job isn't to his liking, he removes it with Easy-off oven cleaner.
It doesn't seem to harm the plastic as long as you don't leave it on too
long (he's not home so I can't ask him the time span). Just remember to
ventilate the area well when you're using it.

Kristen (MrsSlix66 email.msn.com)



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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:50:43 -0400
From: William King
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE timing question

Quick question (this is an easy one!).
I just dropped an Edelbrock carb onto my
68 360 FE. Which vacum fitting do I hook
the distributor up to (it is a stock
distributor)? Does the distributor need
vacum at idle or not?
Ohio Bill


William R. King
Acting Director
Criminal Justice Program
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403
(419) 372-0373 (office)
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:51:55 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard

i'm about 40 miles south of atlanta,about 10 miles from I-75
jeff grant
griffin,ga.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:56:49 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard

dan,forget my last post,i wasn't paying any attention.i thought you were
mailing
me,i didn't know someone else in georgia was selling ford parts.
jeff grant
griffin,ga.
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:00:17 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing an FE

Azie seems to be the person to ask about 460 swaps as he has done quite a
few. I'm on my third one now so I'll add my 2 cents. Its not very difficult
as most fords are designed to be flexible but I have run into a couple of
problems with 460's.
1.) motor mounts
Unless you're into making your own mounts, FOMOCO or L&L seem to be the
best
way to go. I've tried every combination I could think of to avoid paying
the high dollar
for these but nothing I've found would work. I've found if you mate the
engine and
transmission, put them in together, then bolt in the transmission tail
so your stock
drive shaft fits, the front mounts will line up on the frame where they
need to be. You
might have to drill new holes or weld the towers in but they will fit
right.
2.)oil pans
If you use the three piece motor mounts the engine will sit so that a
front sump oil
pan has plenty of clearence from the crossmember, but, be aware of where
your
drain plug is before you put it together. Most car pans have the drain
plug on the side,
which causes a mess on trucks (thread being discussed thoroughly on site
now). I
use these oil pans (cheap at junk yard), but before I install them I
drill a new drain
hole in the front and fit it with a plug.
3.) exhaust manifolds
If you want to use standard manifolds that's fine. If the engine came
out of a car the
driver's side manifold will fit, but, the passenger side will overlap
the frame about
an inch and a half. Some people just notch their frame enough to bolt
the exhaust
> on, but I'm a chicken I guess, this is way to close to the motor mount
and the torque
the frame must withstand to be cutting on IMHO. You have a couple of
options, hunt
the junk yards for a 460 "truck" manifold (they come straight down from
the exhaust
> and hug the block more), these are fairly common but they do seem to be....

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