FTE 61-79 - Ford parts in GM cars

61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 316

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Ford parts in GM cars
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
> FTE 61-79 - motor mounts
FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing a FE
FTE 61-79 - clutch chatter
FTE 61-79 - non FTE
FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore Autolite
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 questions (semi long)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet - ford incantations
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
FTE 61-79 - vapor lock definition

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:14:03 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts in GM cars

John strauss writes: >>However, I don't recall GM ever using any regular
production Ford parts - anybody?

Don't remember the exact year, but sometime around when the LeMans was 1st
introduced in the Pontiac line and it was a different trimmed out GTO body,
the Munce transmission plant burned and the standard 3 speed in both the
GTO and the LeMans was FOMOCO from the factory. If I'm not mistaken it was
'64/'65, but this is just an old mans recollection. The Saginaw power
steering units are used around the world, as are the saginaw rack &
pinions. I work for Chrysler and we use both of these widely. The cost is
the key here. We can buy them cheaper than we can make them.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:04:01 -0700
From: sdelanty

sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250

>>> John Strauss wrote:
>>>> Who is the "genius" at Ford that decided where to put the oil drain
>>>> plug on my '68 F-250 w/360 FE? It's got a front sump to clear the
>>>> drag link, OK, but why not put the drain plug at the FRONT of the
>>>> sump? Where it is now, at the rear corner of the sump, is right
>>>> over the frame rail for the TIB. Oil runs all over the place and
>>>> makes a big mess. Plus the plug is not a joy to get a wrench on.
>>>> I love Fords, own 6 of 'em, but this kind of engineering snafu is
>>>> embarrasing for FoMoCo. Are all the FE trucks like this?

>A way around this is to take a piece of cardboard or posterboard about 18"
>long and 6" wide and fold it in half lengthwise to form a "V" channel for the
>oil to run down into the drain pan. Wedge it under the drain plug and leave a
>little above the plug to account for splashing, and place the other end over
>your drain pan. Getting the plug out is a little bit more awkward this way,
>but after a couple of times you figure out a way to make it all work, and no
>more oil splashing all over your frame rail and driveway.

Yep, I always change my air filter at the same time as the oil, so I
use a hunk of cardboard from the air filter box as a funnel, folded
into a "V" pretty much like You just described it...

Steve

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
>
Gary Bowling writes: >>When I restored my truck I wanted to go back with
the original ford wheel. I purchased a repair kit from Eastwoods and
repaired it myself. The guys that saw my truck in Pigeon Forge can tell you
about the wheel. It will take a few ours of painstacking sanding but it is
well work it.

I saw this steering wheel on Sunday morning just prior to leaving to come
home. He did a superb job. It was nearly impossible to find a flaw. I
thought he had somehow found a new steering wheel. Looked great. I'd
highly recommend it.

Azie
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - motor mounts

Dan Koster Writes: >>you've got me all in a twist now. I'm putting a 61
390 (out of a car)
into a 1963 truck.

I've had two opinions on this so far. One says to buy the V8 motor
mounts for the year of the truck (was 272). The other says to buy the
motor mounts that fit the engine (out of a 61 thunderbird).

Which is it?

If the '63 frame is the same width as the '65 (and I don't know if they are
or not), then you should
buy motor mounts for a '65 352. (That was the 1st year of the FE offering
in trucks I believe.) If all
else fails, take the motor mounts from the '61 Tbird off and take them down
to the local parts
> store and see if they are the same as the ones for '65 with 352. Did your
'63 truck have a V8
or 6??? The stanchions are different I believe between the V8 and 6, so

you might have to
get the stanchions from a '65 or later also. I'll leave this to the guys
that have been there and
done that. I haven't.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing a FE

John Strauss writes: >>Finally, the question: What can I expect as far as
hassle factor to replace the FE with a 385 motor? I guess my only real
concern is the motor mounts. I already know the C6 will bolt up, the
exhaust is shot anyway, but will I need different frame mounts, different
motor mounts, or neither? Accessory brackets are only alternator and A/C
so I'll just try to get a
motor with that stuff already in place. Is there anything else I need to
be aware of when contemplating this?

1st off if you are contemplating bolting the C6 off the 360 to the 429/460
forget it. Both used C6's, but they have different cases. They are not
interchangeable between FE's and any other series. The guts are, but the
case will not bolt up. 2nd - getting an engine with all the accesories on
it is a good idea, but I've done it in 3 different trucks, and had to make
my brackets/mounts for the A/C and pwr steering in every case. The
steering box is in the way on the drivers side and it seems that something
on the passengers side interefered with the Alt location also. Can't
remember. Anyway I've done it to a '79 and two '77s. All with A/C and Pwr
steering. Its a pain with the cab on, but if you pull the cab(at least the
front clip) it is much easier. L & L is the only mfg of motor mounts for
this application that I am aware of and they get roughly $100 set for them.
They also make brackets for mounting all the accessories, but they are also
pricy. I'm very pleased with the performances of all mine after the
conversion, but it is a pain in the butt.
For every day use I prefer the '72 and later because they are low
compression. The earlier versions are more powerful, but they require
premium fuel.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - clutch chatter

Ron writes: >> Is your clutch pressure plate new as well as the
disc? Even a very slight oil leak will keep the chatter problem returning
over and over again. All of the area around the inside of the bell housing
has to be cleaned of everything. Dust, oil and etc. Do you have your
cover on the pivot arm? Stuff from the road will get in through there and
do it to ya again. Some folks drill a hole for the relubrication of the
release bearing and do not reseal it (seal it up too). There is a pilot
bushing or bearing in the flywheel for the transmission mainshaft, replace
it too. It
will cause the disc to jump around severely. Trans may dribble a little
oil too. Make sure its mainshaft bearing is a solid fit to prevent the
mainshaft from bouncing the seal lip and leaking. There's more but I
better stop for now.

Nothing I own is new. I know all these things and I've tried all the
tricks - New clutch disc, resurfaced flywheel, new pilotshaft bearing
(actually on FE it's a bushing) and new clutch release bearing(throwout
bearing). No oil anywhere in the bellhousing. After a few thousand miles
the darn thing chatters. I've just learned to live with it. I'm too old
to care anymore.

You need to get together with Ted over around Wallace. With a nickname of
NC ridgerunner, and he being from Chinquapin, you probably have a lot in
common. By the way!!! Do any of you know what a Chinquapin is???? I do.
If you don't, ask some old farmer.

Azie
Ardmore, Al

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - non FTE

J GRANT WRITES: >> does anyone know the worst thing a georgia redneck
hates to see?

Would that be a Yankee headed South pulling a U-Haul???????/

No offense folks - Just had to respond!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore Autolite

OK Guys - Here is the info I promised the list on my Autolite Spreadbore -
or at least all of it I can get.

1st off - It's a Motorcraft and thats all the #ing or data I can find on it
anywhere. The FOMOCO tag that should be under one of the screws that holds
the floatbown on is long gone - removed by some previous owner. I have no....

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