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61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 315 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 FE? FTE 61-79 - RE:Lurker comes out of the closet FTE 61-79 - vapor lock Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard FTE 61-79 - Oil drain plugs Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? RE: FTE 61-79 - Seats FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385 FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385 FTE 61-79 - Brake light update FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350 Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet Re: FTE 61-79 - FEs - now Motor Mounts FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250 RE: FTE 61-79 - What is it called? RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? RE: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet - ford incantations RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250 RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials FTE 61-79 - Maximum Rim Size FTE 61-79 - Re: FE into a 63 truck Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? FTE 61-79 - radiator FTE 61-79 - FE/C6 removal fm truck ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 03:47:09 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 FE? William L Ballinger wrote: > > > >Guys, > > > >you've got me all in a twist now. I'm putting a 61 390 (out of a car) > >into a 1963 truck. > > > >I've had two opinions on this so far. One says to buy the V8 motor > >mounts for the year of the truck (was 272). The other says to buy the > >motor mounts that fit the engine (out of a 61 thunderbird). > > The FE was used from '65 on, and the whole suspension changed, the mounts > are very different from the early ones with the exception of the F250 4X4's > in '65 and '66. I've not seen the '67 up 4X's or any F100 4X's so I can't > speak of them with any confidence. These mounts are similar in type to your > 292 mounts, so they ought to work. You have a front mount and two side > mounts, one on each side of your bellhousing. I don't know about the front > mounting bracket whether they changed or not. You could cross reference the > numbers in a Hollander manual to see what changed when they switched to the > FE in the '65 4X4 and go from there. IMHO I'd say that with the '65-'66 F250 > 4X4 mounts and front bracket you should be home free if you can find them. > Come on over to my Back Porch > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr > Ballinger > ballingr To find the front engine mount would be the trick( stock ) looking thing to do but finding that mount is going to be a b*^$ to get the engine towers off of a 65-79 300 six or 360-390 4x4. this will require some boxing where the towers bolt to the frame (or you can do what a previous owner did to my truck and use lots of angle iron and make your own) to keep them from collapsing. You will also need to get the engine mounts for the 65 and up 4x4 and drill out the holes for the mount to bolt to the block, or so I am told. I have a 67 block so the stock mounts will work for me. Or you could use the 61 mounts and build your own towers. If I remember right the front engine mount looks like a big "L" shaped piece of steel that mount to the face of the block and then has the rubber mount under the bottom of the L between the L and the Frame crossmember. If I get the chance I will take a look and one and see. It kind of comes down to how much work you want to do and how much you want to keep it stock. - -- Don Grossman duckdon http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:41:26 -0500 From: "Don Yerhot" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Lurker comes out of the closet Ben, You may have a vacuam leak here, possibly around the base of the carb. A good way I have found to check for this problem is to spray some starting fluid, (Pretty common item up here in Minnesota) around bottom of the carb with the engine idling. If you have a leak, you'll get an immediate rise in RPM's. I was having rough idling probs on my 351w and backfiring when I let up on the gas. I found the leak, replaced the base gasket, no more idling problems. Don Richfield, MN 65 Ford F250/351w "Keep honking, I'm reloading" I'm having trouble diagnosing an engine problem that I've had for about 3 years now. Yes, it is embarrassing but I've been busy raising babies and don't use it much. It idles rough and shudders at low rpm, especially with a load. If I punch the accelerator or get the rpm's up it quits - until the next upshift. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:59:53 EDT From: RDbanesjr Subject: FTE 61-79 - vapor lock Would any of ya'll care to explain vapor lock in non-technical terms? My '67, after being on interstate at 70 mph and then taking off from red lite it hesitates, but it only does it after its ran hard, if it has a chance to cool down then it runs fine. could this be vapor lock? thanks in advance dug in louisiana '67 swb 240 3sp = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Koster Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard Ken, Do you live in Georgia? If so, where? I might want to hook up with you about those Ford parts if I don't have to drive too far. Thanks, Dan - ---Ken Payne wrote: > > Its even worse in Georgia. All the people from out of state insist > on calling every Southerner a red-neck > Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7 (maybe 9) 67-72 F100s > in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit, chrome drip rail, > windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight "door", steering wheel, > one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more. Anyone in need of parts, > let me know, I'll have some for sale soon! > > Ken _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:21:48 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil drain plugs John, My 79 351M F150 is the same way (almost) The drain plug is easy to get to, but the oil runs all over the engine saddle and steering linkage. When I take the oil filter off, it drains down the sid eof the block all over several fuel lines. On the other hand, My son's 79 Monte C a mess, but I always get the urge to use a torch to take the left front fender and frame rail off so that I can get to the oil filter to service it. On both the truck and my Towncar, I also have to turn the wheels to each lock in order to lubricate the ends of the center link. Some day I'm going to put on some 90 degree Zerk fittings. Kevin, The bigger brake boosters come off of vehicles with disc brakes as discs take more muscle to engage. If you are going to convert to disc barakes, be sure to change the master cylinder to one with a larger reservoir for the front (disc) brakes. The larger reservoir is usually on the rear of the master cylinder, but feeds the front brake system. Pat, The only problem with putting the pin in the proportioning valve to keep the red light off is that you then defeat the entire purpose of the warning system which is to enlighten you when there is trouble in the service brake system. I might consider this solution for something I was going to drive myself, but not for someone who did not have a very good "feel" for the vehicle. I don't know what the technical term for "feel" is, but some people have it and some don't. The members of the list probably have a higher "feel" ratio than the average public. - -John jmlagron 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh) 1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!) Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:27:54 -0700 From: John MacNamara Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs John Strauss wrote: > I don't think you would have ever seen a G.M product on a ford, > >especially the T-bird or a CJ engine. I have tuned allot of vehicles in the > >last 21 years and have never seen a combo you are speaking of. If someone > >has proof of this ever being factory installed please post your reference. John: I too have seen a scj intake with a quadrajet mounted on it. I personally shipped one to another person on the list. Regards John 78 F250 4X4 Supercab > > = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:31:52 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? I'm open to anything if there is enough support for it. - -Ken Payne At 01:48 AM 5/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >How about a 4x4 list > >Ken Payne wrote: > >> Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea? Let me know, >> Ken Payne >> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts >> http://www.ford-trucks.com > = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:37:27 -0700 From: "Gillespie, John D." Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Seats I wonder if it will work w/ a 66F100? Mine has a T-Bird power seat juryrigged in and have no legroom at all. Feels like the steering wheel is trying to graft itself to your chest. John 66 F100 240-I6 w/4sp manual (type unknown yet) 82 LTD-302 w/AOD 94 Splash 4.0L(I hate liters)(SWMBO's) From: J.Scott Harkema [SMTP:harksjcd For what it's worth I took a 84 F 350 seat bolted my 76 F250 track to it & bolted it in. Unbelievable! New seat & didn't even have to drill one hole.(Got the seat for free too) = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:41:09 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385 >the 360 and 429-460 do not have the same transmission pattern.i have a 429 >police interceptor for sale,but i'm in georgia,where are you located? > You can't tell by my sig? Austin, TEXAS. Thanks for the info, I sure thought the FE had the same "big block" pattern as the 385. What's with Ford and all these different bell housings, anyway? _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss \( Texas Fight! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:41:08 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385 > John, The tranny won't bolt up. The 460 (and 429) have the same bolt >pattern as the 351M and 400, but not any FE. As far as 460's go, I have heard >that they are all good, I'm putting a '73 in my truck now. I'm using L&L motor >towers and mounts. I think all accesories will fit, using the 460's stock >accessory mounts. I can't wait to hear it run! > Oh, crap! I thought the FE had the same "big block" pattern as the 385. Well, guess I better be looking for an engine/trans combo. Or a 428. :-) _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss \( Texas Fight! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:39:49 EDT From: BDIJXS Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake light update Hey Pat, Good job on the brake valve info....I figured it was something like that! Colorado Jeff = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:41:10 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet >I'm having trouble diagnosing an engine problem that I've had for about 3 >years now. Yes, it is embarrassing but I've been busy raising babies and >don't use it much. It idles rough and shudders at low rpm, especially with a >load. If I punch the accelerator or get the rpm's up it quits - until the >next upshift. When I first noticed the problem (3 years ago) I fed it new >plugs, wires, rotor, cap, and rebuilt the carb all to no avail. > >Last week I started over with new cap and rotor. I discoverd that the #1 and >#4 cylinders are getting spark but don't seem to be firing. (Snip) This smells like a vacuum leak to me. #1 and #4 are on the same plane (assuming factory dual-plane manifold here) on the passenger side of the engine. Look for a vacuum line, probably fairly sizeable, on one of the manifold runners and see if you have a leak. This would cause those two cylinders to go lean at idle such that they miss. Do your power brakes work? Perhaps you have a bad booster which is causing your leak. When you gun it, the power circuit kicks in and richens the mixture enough to compensate for the leak. Just a guess - you said you were desperate. :-) _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss \( Texas Fight! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:39:56 EDT From: BDIJXS Subject: FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350 Hey Jerry, Way to go with the Ford guy to help you out.....the Ford dealership guys here are nice, but don't really know much about this kind of stuff.....plus they are usually so busy that they can't really help much.... One more thing to try is to take the "Bill of Materials" number that is stamped on the axle housing (all of these numbers I've seen start with a "603") and get with your local Dana representative. They'll grumble a little bit when they have to pull out the old books, but all the parts listings are there. The problem I ran into here was that Dana seems to discontinue several of its parts after about 20 years, for example, the front spindles for the 76-77 heavy-duty F-250 4x4's.... Keep us updated on what you find out....what year parts are you looking for??? Also, is it a 4x4? Colorado Jeff = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:44:21 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard At 06:05 AM 5/28/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Ken, > >Do you live in Georgia? If so, where? I might want to hook up with >you about those Ford parts if I don't have to drive too far. > >Thanks, > >Dan > Sure do. In between Lilburn and Lawrenceville, northeast of Atlanta. I'll be heading out to the junk yard this weekend. Ken = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:56:29 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet > From: Brazzadog > Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:28:06 EDT > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet > Last week I started over with new cap and rotor. I discoverd that > the #1 and #4 cylinders are getting spark but don't seem to be > firing. I tested resistance on all of the plug wires and wiring You mean the plugs or the cylinders? You didn't mention the mileage on the engine but I'm assuming it's quite high so do a compression test to verify the valves are all working and go from there.....:-) It's unusual but valves have been known to stick when the engine is left to sit for a time. 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:03:16 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FEs - now Motor Mounts > Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:57:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dan Koster > Subject: FTE 61-79 - FEs - now Motor Mounts > you've got me all in a twist now. I'm putting a 61 390 (out of a > car) into a 1963 truck. > > I've had two opinions on this so far. One says to buy the V8 motor > mounts for the year of the truck (was 272). The other says to buy > the motor mounts that fit the engine (out of a 61 thunderbird). If the block bolt pattern is the same then it's a no brainer, use the 272 mount but if different you may have to fabricate or buy some adapter mounts unless you are very lucky and the frame lugs of the 390 mounts fit into the 272 towers. If both mounts have single or double lug and look similar chances are they will interchange with the frame bracket, if not call L&L and see if they have a kit :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:19:24 -0600 From: Jamey Moss Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250 DC Beatty wrote: > > Me too. You get used to it, John, really you do. You find the perfect > wrench, the optimum angle of approach, and the biggest drain pan > that's sold at the parts house. > >> Ken Payne wrote: >> >> Every 67-72 I've had the pleasure of crawling under has been like >> this! >> >> John Strauss wrote: >>> Who is the "genius" at Ford that decided where to put the oil drain >>> plug on my '68 F-250 w/360 FE? It's got a front sump to clear the >>> drag link, OK, but why not put the drain plug at the FRONT of the >>> sump? Where it is now, at the rear corner of the sump, is right >>> over the frame rail for the TIB. Oil runs all over the place and >>> makes a big mess. Plus the plug is not a joy to get a wrench on. >>> I love Fords, own 6 of 'em, but this kind of engineering snafu is >>> embarrasing for FoMoCo. Are all the FE trucks like this? A way around this is to take a piece of cardboard or posterboard about 18" long and 6" wide and fold it in half lengthwise to form a "V" channel for the oil to run down into the drain pan. Wedge it under the drain plug and leave a little above the plug to account for splashing, and place the other end over your drain pan. Getting the plug out is a little bit more awkward this way, but after a couple of times you figure out a way to make it all work, and no more oil splashing all over your frame rail and driveway. I started doing this after SWMBO told me that I was going to have to start going to JiffyLube if I didn't stop making oil stains on the driveway, and I'm still changing oil at home. Jamey Moss ra4001 67 F100 Ranger 72 F100 Ranger XLT (terminal rust) = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:36:53 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - What is it called? Thanks for your message at 07:53 PM 5/26/98 -0600, TEA Lowrance, Shane. Your message was: >Is it a 4x4? > >Shane No, it's 2x, but what the heck--just change it over...Just kidding. It is a very clean truck, no rust and I really want it, but I can't have everything I want...He wants something in the $3000 range, but he's a tradin' /dealin' fool and who knows what he'd let it go for? I need to get pics of it and post it on Levi's Cars & Trucks (which I have been ignoring lately). >Too bad he's not looking for a '67. My neighbor Levi has a very clean >'67 >crewcab with a 391 and Edelbrock manifold-carb setup. I've been eyeing >it >myself, but I already have too many vehicles. > 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1970 Marquis 429 1973 Mustang 302 (tired) 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) !962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard. It's gonna be a convertible! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:10:36 -0400 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? ranchero's? they're not real trucks!! JUST KIDDING!! they need a home too. i know it was pretty "lonely" out there for us ford truck guys before the founder of the greatest mailing lists, Ken created this cyber home of FTE. sounds good to me. will there be a voting on the web page? sleddog - ---------- From: Ken Payne[SMTP:kpayne Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea? = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:35:09 -0400 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet - ford incantations ok, get a old miners cap, a chevy 350, some bowties and a book of matches and some blue chalk. circle your truck in an oval and write F O R D inside. put on the miners cap and chant: (light a match and chant until you burn your fingers, complete chant must be finished in this time) oh holy gods of FTE bring solice, peace and fixed engines to out ford brethren and all of henry's marvels. bring wins to our racers and 200,000 miles to our daily drivers. fix what ails this truck and you shall be rewarded by this sacrifcing of a chevy 350 and a burning of the bowties. (note: the burning of the bowties is dangerous and just singing a clipon should be satisfactory) OK, sorry i don't have any real good advice, but you did say incantations you would try...maybe a vacuum leak though. are your rubber vacuum lines in good shape? sleddog - ---------- From: Brazzadog Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 1:28 AM To: 61-79-list Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet I'm ready to try all suggestions including incantations and holy water. Ben Williams '78 F-250 4x4, 351M, C6, NP205 '71 Wagoneer 360, TH400, D20 = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:42:46 -0400 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250 just got into this thread. i too ued a V on my f150, for different reasons tho. i used a long piece of 2" x 2" x 1/8" angle iron and had a little flat type hook welded onto it at about the point it went into the 5 gallon bucket i used. i did this as my truck sits very high. i have also used it for draining radiater. it work well, and carboard works too. that is what i used first, then went to angle iron. sleddog - ---------- From: Jamey Moss[SMTP:ra4001 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 11:19 AM To: Ford Truck List Cc: jstrauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250 A way around this is to take a piece of cardboard or posterboard about 18" long and 6" wide and fold it in half lengthwise to form a "V" channel for the oil to run down into the drain pan. Wedge it under the drain plug and leave a little above the plug to account for splashing, and place the other end over your drain pan. Getting the plug out is a little bit more awkward this way, but after a couple of times you figure out a way to make it all work, and no more oil splashing all over your frame rail and driveway. I started doing this after SWMBO told me that I was going to have to start going to JiffyLube if I didn't stop making oil stains on the driveway, and I'm still changing oil at home. Jamey Moss ra4001 67 F100 Ranger 72 F100 Ranger XLT (terminal rust) = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:42:34 -0700 From: "Gillespie, John D." Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? Definitely agree that there should be a Ranchero List. Have 3 people in my office alone who drive Rancheros(Falcon) John 66 F100 240-I6 w/4Speed (Type unknown yet) 82 LTD 302 w/AOD 94 Splash 4.0L(I hate liters) (SWMBO's) Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea? The Ranchero folks really are up a creek since they join, find very little talk about their truck/car and leave. There really isn't much on the net for Ranchero folks. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:58:18 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials > From: wayside > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials > Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:17:47 GMT > >Why are you not supposed to rotate radials from one side of the > >vehicle to the other? > > > I had a set of radial snow tires back in the 70's that probably were > flipped side to side; both of failed the same way- the sidewalls > split catastrophically. Here's what I remember about all this: The original radials had very thin sidewalls and were belted to keep the tread flat on the ground. In a turn the sidewalls would flex till the belted tread began to be lifted off the pavement but at that point the tread tended to lift very quickly leaving only the corner of the tread in contact with the pavement which is what caused the loss of control and sliding. You couldn't swap sides because the thin sidewalls allowed too much movement in the rubber and re-aligned some of the cords and other components so that the tire would "take a set" for the position the driving torque would apply to it. When reversed it would attempt to set in the opposit direction loosening the bond between the rubber and cords weakening the sidewalls which is almost always where they failed. Both of these problems have be resolved since the early/mid 80's by increasing the strength of the sidewalls, stiffening them so they act more like bias ply sidewalls but still more compliant than bias which is why the tread lasts longer since it stays flatter on the pavement. As I said before, some tires still say not to swap sides but that is due to tread pattern not radial construction AFAIK :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:08:11 EDT From: RHussJr Subject: FTE 61-79 - Maximum Rim Size I was wondering what is the maximum backspacing that is permissable to run on a 67-72 F-100. Due to the minimum clearance at the rear, all I can see is maybe 4". I know factory is 3-1/2". I was wanting to run a 10" wide rim on the rear, but looks impossible. Any opinions are helpful, as long as you have dealt with this year range, since I have looked at several of earlier and later years and the clearance changes. Rodney Huss = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:16:18 -0700 From: tom Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE into a 63 truck I got one of the Transdapt mounts from Whitney then fabricated some motor mounts from some 3", 3/8" sq tubing. Worked great and the Transdapt frame mount was REAL stout! Tom Wishin' for summer weather in Reno,NV = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:28:16 -0700 From: sdelanty Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? >I'm open to anything if there is enough support for >it. > >-Ken Payne I think we should have a '71 F100 2WD flairside w/FE390 list! If we split up the lists enough then everyone can have their own list and then no one will learn anything from each other... Steve Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/ "When you stop learning, stop listening, stop looking and asking questions, always new questions, then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:28:18 -0700 From: sdelanty Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet >I'm having trouble diagnosing an engine problem that I've had for about 3 >years now. Yes, it is embarrassing but I've been busy raising babies and >don't use it much. It idles rough and shudders at low rpm, especially with a >load. If I punch the accelerator or get the rpm's up it quits - until the >next upshift. When I first noticed the problem (3 years ago) I fed it new >plugs, wires, rotor, cap, and rebuilt the carb all to no avail. Vacuum leak, or maybe stuck/bad EGR valve? Steve Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/ "When you stop learning, stop listening, stop looking and asking questions, always new questions, then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:58:33 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? > From: sdelanty > Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:28:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list? > I think we should have a '71 F100 2WD flairside w/FE390 list! > If we split up the lists enough then everyone can have their own > list and then no one will learn anything from each other... WRONG! We just join all the lists :-) I'm on two right now and it's just about right info wise :-) Personally I think we should have 78/79 list including the broncos and then everyone else will have to join our list it get any info :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:02:15 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - radiator Marko writes: >>When the air is -30 and you're driving at 60 miles an hour, that radiator gets awful cold. Everybody runs cardboard in that weather. Cause when the engine gets up to temperature, the thermostat opens, flooding the engine with damn cold coolant. Then it shuts again. So it never gets particularly warm at all. This is why we use cardboard, to try to keep some heat in the radiator when the thermostat opens. I hope I never see -30 degrees again in my life. I understand what you're saying, here. The radiator could be the size of a Power steering cooler, and be sufficient in that weather. I know that it doesn't take but very little air to cool a lot of water at those temps. Probably convection would do it. I was merely trying to make a point for Keith to understand the thermostat thing. Azie Ardmopre, Al. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:47:20 -0400 From: am14 To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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