61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 315



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 FE?
FTE 61-79 - RE:Lurker comes out of the closet
FTE 61-79 - vapor lock
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard
FTE 61-79 - Oil drain plugs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Seats
FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
FTE 61-79 - Brake light update
FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet
FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard
Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet
Re: FTE 61-79 - FEs - now Motor Mounts
FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250
RE: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?
RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet - ford incantations
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250
RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials
FTE 61-79 - Maximum Rim Size
FTE 61-79 - Re: FE into a 63 truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
FTE 61-79 - radiator
FTE 61-79 - FE/C6 removal fm truck

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 03:47:09 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 FE?

William L Ballinger wrote:

> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >you've got me all in a twist now. I'm putting a 61 390 (out of a car)
> >into a 1963 truck.
> >
> >I've had two opinions on this so far. One says to buy the V8 motor
> >mounts for the year of the truck (was 272). The other says to buy the
> >motor mounts that fit the engine (out of a 61 thunderbird).
>
> The FE was used from '65 on, and the whole suspension changed, the mounts
> are very different from the early ones with the exception of the F250 4X4's
> in '65 and '66. I've not seen the '67 up 4X's or any F100 4X's so I can't
> speak of them with any confidence. These mounts are similar in type to your
> 292 mounts, so they ought to work. You have a front mount and two side
> mounts, one on each side of your bellhousing. I don't know about the front
> mounting bracket whether they changed or not. You could cross reference the
> numbers in a Hollander manual to see what changed when they switched to the
> FE in the '65 4X4 and go from there. IMHO I'd say that with the '65-'66 F250
> 4X4 mounts and front bracket you should be home free if you can find them.
> Come on over to my Back Porch
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
> Ballinger
> ballingr ldd.net

To find the front engine mount would be the trick( stock ) looking thing to do
but finding that mount is going to be a b*^$ . The other thing you could do is
to get the engine towers off of a 65-79 300 six or 360-390 4x4. this will
require some boxing where the towers bolt to the frame (or you can do what a
previous owner did to my truck and use lots of angle iron and make your own) to
keep them from collapsing. You will also need to get the engine mounts for the
65 and up 4x4 and drill out the holes for the mount to bolt to the block, or so
I am told. I have a 67 block so the stock mounts will work for me.

Or you could use the 61 mounts and build your own towers.

If I remember right the front engine mount looks like a big "L" shaped piece
of steel that mount to the face of the block and then has the rubber mount
under the bottom of the L between the L and the Frame crossmember. If I get
the chance I will take a look and one and see.

It kind of comes down to how much work you want to do and how much you want to
keep it stock.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:41:26 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Lurker comes out of the closet

Ben,
You may have a vacuam leak here, possibly around the base of the carb.
A good way I have found to check for this problem is to spray some
starting fluid, (Pretty common item up here in Minnesota) around bottom
of the carb with the engine idling. If you have a leak, you'll get an
immediate rise in RPM's. I was having rough idling probs on my 351w and
backfiring when I let up on the gas. I found the leak, replaced the base
gasket, no more idling problems.

Don
Richfield, MN
65 Ford F250/351w
"Keep honking, I'm reloading"

I'm having trouble diagnosing an engine problem that I've had for
about 3
years now. Yes, it is embarrassing but I've been busy raising
babies and
don't use it much. It idles rough and shudders at low rpm,
especially with a
load. If I punch the accelerator or get the rpm's up it quits -
until the
next upshift.

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:59:53 EDT
From: RDbanesjr aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vapor lock

Would any of ya'll care to explain vapor lock in non-technical terms? My '67,
after being on interstate at 70 mph and then taking off from red lite it
hesitates, but it only does it after its ran hard, if it has a chance to cool
down then it runs fine. could this be vapor lock? thanks in advance

dug in louisiana
'67 swb 240 3sp
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard

Ken,

Do you live in Georgia? If so, where? I might want to hook up with
you about those Ford parts if I don't have to drive too far.

Thanks,

Dan



- ---Ken Payne wrote:
>

> Its even worse in Georgia. All the people from out of state insist
> on calling every Southerner a red-neck


> Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7 (maybe 9) 67-72
F100s
> in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit, chrome drip
rail,
> windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight "door", steering
wheel,
> one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more. Anyone in need of parts,
> let me know, I'll have some for sale soon!
>
> Ken

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:21:48 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil drain plugs

John,

My 79 351M F150 is the same way (almost) The drain plug is easy to get to,
but the oil runs all over the engine saddle and steering linkage. When I
take the oil filter off, it drains down the sid eof the block all over
several fuel lines. On the other hand, My son's 79 Monte C rl* doesn't make
a mess, but I always get the urge to use a torch to take the left front
fender and frame rail off so that I can get to the oil filter to service
it. On both the truck and my Towncar, I also have to turn the wheels to
each lock in order to lubricate the ends of the center link. Some day I'm
going to put on some 90 degree Zerk fittings.

Kevin,
The bigger brake boosters come off of vehicles with disc brakes as discs
take more muscle to engage. If you are going to convert to disc barakes, be
sure to change the master cylinder to one with a larger reservoir for the
front (disc) brakes. The larger reservoir is usually on the rear of the
master cylinder, but feeds the front brake system.

Pat,
The only problem with putting the pin in the proportioning valve to keep
the red light off is that you then defeat the entire purpose of the warning
system which is to enlighten you when there is trouble in the service brake
> system. I might consider this solution for something I was going to drive
myself, but not for someone who did not have a very good "feel" for the
vehicle. I don't know what the technical term for "feel" is, but some
people have it and some don't. The members of the list probably have a
higher "feel" ratio than the average public.


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:27:54 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs

John Strauss wrote:

> I don't think you would have ever seen a G.M product on a ford,
> >especially the T-bird or a CJ engine. I have tuned allot of vehicles in the
> >last 21 years and have never seen a combo you are speaking of. If someone
> >has proof of this ever being factory installed please post your reference.

John: I too have seen a scj intake with a quadrajet mounted on it. I
personally shipped one to another person on the list.

Regards
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab

>
>



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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:31:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

I'm open to anything if there is enough support for
it.

- -Ken Payne
At 01:48 AM 5/28/98 -0600, you wrote:
>How about a 4x4 list
>
>Ken Payne wrote:
>
>> Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea? Let me know,
>> Ken Payne
>> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>> http://www.ford-trucks.com
>


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:37:27 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Seats

I wonder if it will work w/ a 66F100? Mine has a T-Bird power seat
juryrigged in and have no legroom at all. Feels like the steering wheel is
trying to graft itself to your chest.

John
66 F100 240-I6 w/4sp manual (type unknown yet)
82 LTD-302 w/AOD
94 Splash 4.0L(I hate liters)(SWMBO's)

From: J.Scott Harkema [SMTP:harksjcd nvbell.net]

For what it's worth I took a 84 F 350 seat
bolted my 76 F250 track to it & bolted it in.
Unbelievable! New seat & didn't even have
to drill one hole.(Got the seat for free too)

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:41:09 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385

>the 360 and 429-460 do not have the same transmission pattern.i have a 429
>police interceptor for sale,but i'm in georgia,where are you located?
>
You can't tell by my sig? Austin, TEXAS. Thanks for the info, I sure
thought the FE had the same "big block" pattern as the 385. What's with
Ford and all these different bell housings, anyway?
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:41:08 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385

> John, The tranny won't bolt up. The 460 (and 429) have the same bolt
>pattern as the 351M and 400, but not any FE. As far as 460's go, I have
heard
>that they are all good, I'm putting a '73 in my truck now. I'm using L&L
motor
>towers and mounts. I think all accesories will fit, using the 460's stock
>accessory mounts. I can't wait to hear it run!
>
Oh, crap! I thought the FE had the same "big block" pattern as the 385.
Well, guess I better be looking for an engine/trans combo. Or a 428. :-)
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:39:49 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake light update

Hey Pat,

Good job on the brake valve info....I figured it was something like that!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:41:10 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet

>I'm having trouble diagnosing an engine problem that I've had for about 3
>years now. Yes, it is embarrassing but I've been busy raising babies and
>don't use it much. It idles rough and shudders at low rpm, especially with a
>load. If I punch the accelerator or get the rpm's up it quits - until the
>next upshift. When I first noticed the problem (3 years ago) I fed it new
>plugs, wires, rotor, cap, and rebuilt the carb all to no avail.
>
>Last week I started over with new cap and rotor. I discoverd that the #1 and
>#4 cylinders are getting spark but don't seem to be firing.

(Snip)

This smells like a vacuum leak to me. #1 and #4 are on the same plane
(assuming factory dual-plane manifold here) on the passenger side of the
engine. Look for a vacuum line, probably fairly sizeable, on one of the
manifold runners and see if you have a leak. This would cause those two
cylinders to go lean at idle such that they miss. Do your power brakes
> work? Perhaps you have a bad booster which is causing your leak. When you
gun it, the power circuit kicks in and richens the mixture enough to
compensate for the leak. Just a guess - you said you were desperate. :-)

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_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:39:56 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350

Hey Jerry,

Way to go with the Ford guy to help you out.....the Ford dealership guys here
are nice, but don't really know much about this kind of stuff.....plus they
are usually so busy that they can't really help much....

One more thing to try is to take the "Bill of Materials" number that is
stamped on the axle housing (all of these numbers I've seen start with a
"603") and get with your local Dana representative. They'll grumble a little
bit when they have to pull out the old books, but all the parts listings are
there. The problem I ran into here was that Dana seems to discontinue several
of its parts after about 20 years, for example, the front spindles for the
76-77 heavy-duty F-250 4x4's....

Keep us updated on what you find out....what year parts are you looking for???

Also, is it a 4x4?

Colorado Jeff



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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:44:21 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks/Junkyard

At 06:05 AM 5/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Ken,
>
>Do you live in Georgia? If so, where? I might want to hook up with
>you about those Ford parts if I don't have to drive too far.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan
>

Sure do. In between Lilburn and Lawrenceville, northeast of
Atlanta. I'll be heading out to the junk yard this weekend.

Ken


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