RE: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 311

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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
Re: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?
FTE 61-79 - Redneck
FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - Paydirt
Re: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: temporary garages
Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Rednecks now Cool Geezers
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - 79 300 6 cyl trouble
FTE 61-79 - engine pulling
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - Brake light update
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold
FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?
FTE 61-79 - 68 F-250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold
FTE 61-79 - Straying topics
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M manifold etc.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 05:25:04 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

I live in Minnesota. I never have used cardboard or any other item in the
front of my radiator. Even when it is -30ºF I still get good heat. If you
put in a 195ºF thermostat and you will stay warm as long as you have a good
heater core!
If you cover half of the radiator with cardboard that will cause even temp
in the radiator and that would be bad too... If you are going to cover it
cover the whole thing with something like "peg board" or something of the
likes that way you have a more even temp through out the radiator.

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

When the air is -30 and you're driving at 60 miles an hour, that radiator
gets awful cold. Everybody runs cardboard in that weather. Cause when the
engine gets up to temperature, the thermostat opens, flooding the engine
> with damn cold coolant. Then it shuts again. So it never gets
particularly warm at all. This is why we use cardboard, to try to keep
some heat in the radiator when the thermostat opens.

marko in vancouver
formerly marko from edmonton (brr!!!)

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:25:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?

> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:45:52 -0500
> From: John Strauss
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?

> I have a '68 F-250 w/360 V8 and C6 auto. When I bought the truck
> the radiator had already been "liberated". Now I need to find a
> replacement but I don't know what I am looking for and the local
> parts pushers around here don't either. What years can I look at

I put an 88 van radiator in my 78 PU with only minor trimming of the
radiator frame and drilling new holes. Take a tape with you and
measure some and while you're at it look for newer ones with more
tubes in case you ever decide to upgrade the engine. A bigger
radiator won't hurt anything but a smaller one certainly will. This
one was from a 351 HO package so had the extra cooling which worked
very well with my 460.

Don't get an old one, it's not worth it. You can get a brand new one
for less than $200 most of the time. Check with some radiator shops
in your area and ask about prices etc.. You might be pleasantly
surprised :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Redneck

Deacon writes: >>My apologies to those I've offended by using the term
"Redneck" in a negative way. When I was defending my Confederate pride, I
thoughtlessly miss-used the good name in describing a racist. I would hope
that I made it clear how I feel aside from my mistake. I get defensive
concerning the display of the Confederate flag and being miss-judged by
others as an ignorant self-righteous bigot. In my haste however, I mocked
the very thing I was defending. In California the name is miss-used all too
often
but that's no excuse, I knew better. Your right Azie and should proud of
being a Redneck. It wasn't my intent to belittle our American Farmer and
Grassroot Americans. Please excuse my piss poor judgment and understand, I
meant no harm.

You didn't offend me Deacon. I take everything with a grain of salt. I'm
not very easily offended, anyway. I think everyone has a right to their
opinion, and to express it. I may not always agree, but I will seldom take
offense. This country is great because it is the "Mixing Bowl" of races -
religions - cultures and just about anything else you can think of -- All
striving to better themselves and their decendants, so don't worry about
it. I have learned in these 61 years, that people are going to be people
and theres not much I can do to change the world. I just try to always
respect others as I would have them respect me. That way, I hope to bring
Honor to my Maker and my parents for my upbringing

Have a good day, and keep the comedy coming. Your poems don't always make
sense to me, but I enjoy them anyway.

Your knowledge on FOMOCO vehicles ain't bad either.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

Keith Srb writes: >>Yes this is true. But what happens when all of this
coolant starts circulating through the motor. Would it cool things off
enough to close the thermostat again? Would you create a situation where
the thermostat is going to be opening and closing all of the time. Does it
matter if the thermostat would be opening and closing all of the time? Am I
"worrying" about nothing here. If so, I am going to go find a V-8 radiator
at the U-PULL it place and throw it in my truck and try it out for a
while.

YES! It opens & closes as the temp of the fluid around the t'stat changes.
It is supposed to do it gradually, but will completely open or shut if the
temp change is sudden and drastic. The bypass hose(the very small hose
from the intake to the waterpump on FE's) is supposed to help prevent the
sudden change, and bring it about more suttle. The V8 radiator would be a
PLUS, but if I got one from the salvage yard, I'd have it rodded out and
pressurized, (checked for leaks) before I installed it. Also the 7/9 blade
fan would be a plus. Might even consider the clutch fan also. Shroud would
also help. Might be able to find all of this on one donor truck!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paydirt

Ken writes: >>Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7 (maybe
9) 67-72 F100s > in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit,
chrome drip rail, > windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight
"door", steering wheel, > one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more.
Anyone in need of parts, > let me know, I'll have some for sale soon!

Sounds like you may be starting to put the "baby" back together soon. Good
luck!!

In case I haven't said so, I really enjoyed meeting you and your family and
the rest of the list that I met in Pigeon Forge. You and Peg have a couple
of very nice children. You are doing a wonderful job with this List and I
for one am very appreciative of it. Maybe some day I can show my
appreciation in some way. The wife and I are contemplating Branson, but the
vote hasn't been cast yet. Jury is still out.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks
> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:04:54 -0500

> > My apologies to those I've offended by using the term "Redneck"
> > in a
> >negative way. When I was defending my Confederate pride, I

> Being from the Ozarks and now living in southeastern Missouri, I am
> teased about being a "hillbilly". I, like my friends further south,

> The term "Redneck" has been used historically as a slur to denote
> unsophistication. Urban dwellers felt their jobs being threatened by
> the influx of "southruns", "sodbusters", "newfunds" what ever they

My mother is pure Tennesee, read headed redneck and hates the word
"Hillbilly". I say she's redneck because her dad planted and
harvested crops for a large plantation owner and had a very red neck
all his life as did she. My dad is pure Michigan farmer from

French/Canadian roots so is roughly in the same class. What does
that make me? I use both terms as I please and never with malace but
am often taken to task for it yet Jeff Foxworthy goes on public TV
with his jokes and is considered a good guy?? We joke with each
other all the time, calling our southern work mates hillbillies or
rednecks and they understand that we mean no "real" disrespect and,
in fact, they take it as a badge of honor most of the time.

For the sake of those who do take offense I suppose we need to use
some descretion but personally you can call me anything but late for
dinner :-) I'm an old man (in my own opinion) and am often called
old man but I don't find it offensive. OTOH, if I were black I would
probably not appreciate the "N" word because of it's historacal
referance and continued offensive usage. These other names have been
softened over the years to be almost a nick name sort of thing but
some words will never make it to that point IMHO so I guess
descretion again is the key.......:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: temporary garages

tfmf211

murphyfarms.com wrote:
>
> OX,
>
> I have one. Works okay for me until my real garage gets built.
> Be sure to put it on high ground and have a floor put in it.
> Otherwise when the ground gets wet and starts to evaporate it
> starts raining inside. Mine withstood a nor'easter with 50mph
> plus winds with no problems.
>
> Again the floor is the key behind proper initial installation.
>
> Mine is a Cover-It.
> 1-800-932-4777
> www.cover-it-inc.com
>

Thanks for the info. I decided to go with just a cheapo supported roof
cover. I can't afford a floor and I understand about the internal rain
thing.

OX
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:15:36 EDT
From: RDbanesjr
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!

thank you, couldnt have said it better!

Dug in Louisiana
"67 swb 240 w/3spd
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:16:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap

> From: "Brian Forbes"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap
> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:21:10 -0500

> I've got a 160 thermostat and the radiator never gets above that.

160 is too cold. (IMNSHO) I can't even imagine why they make them??
You won't get good performance and economy keeping it that cold
unless you run pure hydrogen for fuel IMHO and the internal parts
> will never quite get fully expanded to achieve the correct
relationships (clearances) so more engine wear will be likely.

The proper solution is to get a radiator capable of reducing the
water temp and a thermostat to control the engine temp to maintain
180 - 200 degrees for proper operation. No matter how cold the
thermostat is set for it won't keep the engine cool if the radiator
is too small but no matter how large the radiator is the thermostat
theoretically will be able to keep the temp up by closing the flow to
the radiator so bigger will always be better, again IMHO :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:20:34 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Rednecks now Cool Geezers

From; Azie

> I think everyone has a right to their
> opinion, and to express it. This country is great because > it is the
"Mixing Bowl" of races -
> religions - cultures and just about anything else you can > think of --
All
> striving to better themselves and their decendants, so > don't worry
about
> it. I have learned in these 61 years, that people are > going to be
people
> and theres not much I can do to change the world. I just > try to always
> respect others as I would have them respect me. That way, > I hope to
bring
> Honor to my Maker and my parents for my upbringing
>
> Have a good day, and keep the comedy coming. Your poems > don't always
make
> sense to me, but I enjoy them anyway.

I was going to add something to this thread then decided not to, now I have
to. Here it is, all these terms are very versatile.... some examples, as
overheard at a the gas station.....first the good version then the
negative..

"yep theres goes that redneck" seeing an old acquaintance

" There's that D*MN redneck" seeing the fella that stole your best girl

" well, he's a yankee" talking about someone from the north visiting
the local area

" he's a D*MN yankee" talking about someone from the north who has
moved to the local area

" He's a Marine" talking about someone who is away, rip trousered,
sore bellied, dog-tired, strong armed, and keeps the wolf away from the
door

" He's a D*MN Marine" talking about the guy who danced with all the
girls last nite, drank the most beer, didn't pay for any of it and got
invited to "have supper" at Susie's house

" He's a cool ole geezer" talking about someone you just have to tease
a little because you don't want to let him know that you want to be right
where is one day

" He's a D*MN ole geezer" talking about the really old guy who rolls
into your truck at 2 mph from across the lot.

Well, maybe it sounded better in my head, but there it is gents... and now
one last one

" he's a Ford Truck Enthusiast" any one of us seeing another pull into
the station.

" He's a D*MN Ford Truck Enthusiast" any Che*y or Dod*e guy who
happened into Pigeon Forge on the wrong weekend in May... :)

Had to get some FTE content in there...

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT

Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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prodigy.com ( MICHAEL N BIGBY)
> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:02:01, -0500
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

> Did I ever tell you about the time I
> wanted to save money so I just had one side (of each) of a set of
> rotors turned............? That was really fun too.........:-) I

> have a mental picture of extreme right or left turns while braking.
> Please illuminate while we ruminate. Mike.

Think......WARPAGE and then get back to me.....:-) ALL rotors warp
almost instantly after the first application of the brakes so if you
only cut one side you leave high and low spots on the other side.
Hydraulic oil is "non compressable" so when you apply the brakes you
have two opposing pads which will not move and a variable thickness
rotor trying to rotate between them............need I say more?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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