61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 311



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
Re: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?
FTE 61-79 - Redneck
FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - Paydirt
Re: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: temporary garages
Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Rednecks now Cool Geezers
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - 79 300 6 cyl trouble
FTE 61-79 - engine pulling
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - Brake light update
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold
FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?
FTE 61-79 - 68 F-250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold
FTE 61-79 - Straying topics
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M manifold etc.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 05:25:04 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

I live in Minnesota. I never have used cardboard or any other item in the
front of my radiator. Even when it is -30F I still get good heat. If you
put in a 195F thermostat and you will stay warm as long as you have a good
heater core!
If you cover half of the radiator with cardboard that will cause even temp
in the radiator and that would be bad too... If you are going to cover it
cover the whole thing with something like "peg board" or something of the
likes that way you have a more even temp through out the radiator.

E-mail : bear269 sparc.isl.net
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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

When the air is -30 and you're driving at 60 miles an hour, that radiator
gets awful cold. Everybody runs cardboard in that weather. Cause when the
engine gets up to temperature, the thermostat opens, flooding the engine
with damn cold coolant. Then it shuts again. So it never gets
particularly warm at all. This is why we use cardboard, to try to keep
some heat in the radiator when the thermostat opens.


marko in vancouver
formerly marko from edmonton (brr!!!)

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:25:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?

> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:45:52 -0500
> From: John Strauss
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?

> I have a '68 F-250 w/360 V8 and C6 auto. When I bought the truck
> the radiator had already been "liberated". Now I need to find a
> replacement but I don't know what I am looking for and the local
> parts pushers around here don't either. What years can I look at

I put an 88 van radiator in my 78 PU with only minor trimming of the
radiator frame and drilling new holes. Take a tape with you and
measure some and while you're at it look for newer ones with more
tubes in case you ever decide to upgrade the engine. A bigger
radiator won't hurt anything but a smaller one certainly will. This
one was from a 351 HO package so had the extra cooling which worked
very well with my 460.

Don't get an old one, it's not worth it. You can get a brand new one
for less than $200 most of the time. Check with some radiator shops
in your area and ask about prices etc.. You might be pleasantly
surprised :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:37:12 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Redneck

Deacon writes: >>My apologies to those I've offended by using the term
"Redneck" in a negative way. When I was defending my Confederate pride, I
thoughtlessly miss-used the good name in describing a racist. I would hope
that I made it clear how I feel aside from my mistake. I get defensive
concerning the display of the Confederate flag and being miss-judged by
others as an ignorant self-righteous bigot. In my haste however, I mocked
the very thing I was defending. In California the name is miss-used all too
often
but that's no excuse, I knew better. Your right Azie and should proud of
being a Redneck. It wasn't my intent to belittle our American Farmer and
Grassroot Americans. Please excuse my piss poor judgment and understand, I
meant no harm.


You didn't offend me Deacon. I take everything with a grain of salt. I'm
not very easily offended, anyway. I think everyone has a right to their
opinion, and to express it. I may not always agree, but I will seldom take
offense. This country is great because it is the "Mixing Bowl" of races -
religions - cultures and just about anything else you can think of -- All
striving to better themselves and their decendants, so don't worry about
it. I have learned in these 61 years, that people are going to be people
and theres not much I can do to change the world. I just try to always
respect others as I would have them respect me. That way, I hope to bring
Honor to my Maker and my parents for my upbringing

Have a good day, and keep the comedy coming. Your poems don't always make
sense to me, but I enjoy them anyway.

Your knowledge on FOMOCO vehicles ain't bad either.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:48:23 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

Keith Srb writes: >>Yes this is true. But what happens when all of this
coolant starts circulating through the motor. Would it cool things off
enough to close the thermostat again? Would you create a situation where
the thermostat is going to be opening and closing all of the time. Does it
matter if the thermostat would be opening and closing all of the time? Am I
"worrying" about nothing here. If so, I am going to go find a V-8 radiator
at the U-PULL it place and throw it in my truck and try it out for a
while.

YES! It opens & closes as the temp of the fluid around the t'stat changes.
It is supposed to do it gradually, but will completely open or shut if the
temp change is sudden and drastic. The bypass hose(the very small hose
from the intake to the waterpump on FE's) is supposed to help prevent the
sudden change, and bring it about more suttle. The V8 radiator would be a
PLUS, but if I got one from the salvage yard, I'd have it rodded out and
pressurized, (checked for leaks) before I installed it. Also the 7/9 blade
fan would be a plus. Might even consider the clutch fan also. Shroud would
also help. Might be able to find all of this on one donor truck!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:55:47 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paydirt

Ken writes: >>Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7 (maybe
9) 67-72 F100s > in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit,
chrome drip rail, > windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight
"door", steering wheel, > one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more.
Anyone in need of parts, > let me know, I'll have some for sale soon!

Sounds like you may be starting to put the "baby" back together soon. Good
luck!!

In case I haven't said so, I really enjoyed meeting you and your family and
the rest of the list that I met in Pigeon Forge. You and Peg have a couple
of very nice children. You are doing a wonderful job with this List and I
for one am very appreciative of it. Maybe some day I can show my
appreciation in some way. The wife and I are contemplating Branson, but the
vote hasn't been cast yet. Jury is still out.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:04:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks

> From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks
> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:04:54 -0500

> > My apologies to those I've offended by using the term "Redneck"
> > in a
> >negative way. When I was defending my Confederate pride, I

> Being from the Ozarks and now living in southeastern Missouri, I am
> teased about being a "hillbilly". I, like my friends further south,

> The term "Redneck" has been used historically as a slur to denote
> unsophistication. Urban dwellers felt their jobs being threatened by
> the influx of "southruns", "sodbusters", "newfunds" what ever they

My mother is pure Tennesee, read headed redneck and hates the word
"Hillbilly". I say she's redneck because her dad planted and
harvested crops for a large plantation owner and had a very red neck
all his life as did she. My dad is pure Michigan farmer from
French/Canadian roots so is roughly in the same class. What does
that make me? I use both terms as I please and never with malace but
am often taken to task for it yet Jeff Foxworthy goes on public TV
with his jokes and is considered a good guy?? We joke with each
other all the time, calling our southern work mates hillbillies or
rednecks and they understand that we mean no "real" disrespect and,
in fact, they take it as a badge of honor most of the time.

For the sake of those who do take offense I suppose we need to use
some descretion but personally you can call me anything but late for
dinner :-) I'm an old man (in my own opinion) and am often called
old man but I don't find it offensive. OTOH, if I were black I would
probably not appreciate the "N" word because of it's historacal
referance and continued offensive usage. These other names have been
softened over the years to be almost a nick name sort of thing but
some words will never make it to that point IMHO so I guess
descretion again is the key.......:-)



78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:13:05 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: temporary garages

tfmf211 murphyfarms.com wrote:
>
> OX,
>
> I have one. Works okay for me until my real garage gets built.
> Be sure to put it on high ground and have a floor put in it.
> Otherwise when the ground gets wet and starts to evaporate it
> starts raining inside. Mine withstood a nor'easter with 50mph
> plus winds with no problems.
>
> Again the floor is the key behind proper initial installation.
>
> Mine is a Cover-It.
> 1-800-932-4777
> www.cover-it-inc.com
>

Thanks for the info. I decided to go with just a cheapo supported roof
cover. I can't afford a floor and I understand about the internal rain
thing.

OX
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:15:36 EDT
From: RDbanesjr
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!

thank you, couldnt have said it better!

Dug in Louisiana
"67 swb 240 w/3spd
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:16:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap

> From: "Brian Forbes"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap
> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:21:10 -0500

> I've got a 160 thermostat and the radiator never gets above that.

160 is too cold. (IMNSHO) I can't even imagine why they make them??
You won't get good performance and economy keeping it that cold
unless you run pure hydrogen for fuel IMHO and the internal parts
will never quite get fully expanded to achieve the correct
relationships (clearances) so more engine wear will be likely.

The proper solution is to get a radiator capable of reducing the
water temp and a thermostat to control the engine temp to maintain
180 - 200 degrees for proper operation. No matter how cold the
thermostat is set for it won't keep the engine cool if the radiator
is too small but no matter how large the radiator is the thermostat
theoretically will be able to keep the temp up by closing the flow to
the radiator so bigger will always be better, again IMHO :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:20:34 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Rednecks now Cool Geezers

From; Azie



> I think everyone has a right to their
> opinion, and to express it. This country is great because > it is the
"Mixing Bowl" of races -
> religions - cultures and just about anything else you can > think of --
All
> striving to better themselves and their decendants, so > don't worry
about
> it. I have learned in these 61 years, that people are > going to be
people
> and theres not much I can do to change the world. I just > try to always
> respect others as I would have them respect me. That way, > I hope to
bring
> Honor to my Maker and my parents for my upbringing
>
> Have a good day, and keep the comedy coming. Your poems > don't always
make
> sense to me, but I enjoy them anyway.

I was going to add something to this thread then decided not to, now I have
to. Here it is, all these terms are very versatile.... some examples, as
overheard at a the gas station.....first the good version then the
negative..

"yep theres goes that redneck" seeing an old acquaintance

" There's that D*MN redneck" seeing the fella that stole your best girl

" well, he's a yankee" talking about someone from the north visiting
the local area

" he's a D*MN yankee" talking about someone from the north who has
moved to the local area

" He's a Marine" talking about someone who is away, rip trousered,
sore bellied, dog-tired, strong armed, and keeps the wolf away from the
door

" He's a D*MN Marine" talking about the guy who danced with all the
girls last nite, drank the most beer, didn't pay for any of it and got
invited to "have supper" at Susie's house

" He's a cool ole geezer" talking about someone you just have to tease
a little because you don't want to let him know that you want to be right
where is one day

" He's a D*MN ole geezer" talking about the really old guy who rolls
into your truck at 2 mph from across the lot.


Well, maybe it sounded better in my head, but there it is gents... and now
one last one


" he's a Ford Truck Enthusiast" any one of us seeing another pull into
the station.

" He's a D*MN Ford Truck Enthusiast" any Che*y or Dod*e guy who
happened into Pigeon Forge on the wrong weekend in May... :)

Had to get some FTE content in there...

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:27:55 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

> From: BBMZ31A prodigy.com ( MICHAEL N BIGBY)
> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:02:01, -0500
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

> Did I ever tell you about the time I
> wanted to save money so I just had one side (of each) of a set of
> rotors turned............? That was really fun too.........:-) I

> have a mental picture of extreme right or left turns while braking.
> Please illuminate while we ruminate. Mike.

Think......WARPAGE and then get back to me.....:-) ALL rotors warp
almost instantly after the first application of the brakes so if you
only cut one side you leave high and low spots on the other side.
Hydraulic oil is "non compressable" so when you apply the brakes you
have two opposing pads which will not move and a variable thickness
rotor trying to rotate between them............need I say more?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:36:23 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:39:38 -0700

> IOW yes, there are times when the t-stat opens and closes all the
> time, that's what it's there for. So "Don't worry...Be happy".
>
> > Yes this is true. But what happens when all of this coolant
> > starts circulating through the motor. Would it cool things off
> > enough to close the thermostat again? Would you create a
> > situation where the thermostat is going to be opening and closing
> > all of the time. Does it matter if

In reality (I've lived in Michigan all my life) the thermostat finds
an average position which keeps the engine consistanly at the
designed temp. The first initial opening may cause some flutter at
first but it will settle down quickly and find equilibrium so that it
doesn't flutter any more. Each cycle becomes less severe untill
this happens. You would have to be experienceing some rather bizzar
conditions for it to continue fluttering or have some other problem
which needs correction if this is actually happening.

If you have ever boiled a thermostat to see if it's working properly
you know the spring moves rather slowly so it's self mitigating so
to speak :-)

Get the biggest radiator that will fit and the right thermostat and
you're all set :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:34:02 -0400
From: "Marc A. Stine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 300 6 cyl trouble

Well, I figured it has been a while since my truck has given me
problems, this weekend I ran into a small problem (that might get bigger
if I don't fix it). You'll have to excuse my ignorance for I don't
really know that much about engine terminology.
Here goes. Was pulling out of the movie theatre with my girlfriend, the
truck stalls, no problem I thought. Cranked her (the truck) over and
she wouldn't fire so I pumped it twice tried again....no luck. Ended up
my girlfriend and I pushed it back into the parking lot and I tried to
take a look. Obviously flooded. Since I had no tools with me and it
was midnight we decided to call for the parents to come pick us up.
Went back the next day with good old uncle Andy who thought he knew just
the cure when I described the ailment. As it turns out, the two screws
that mount the mounting bracket for the Air cleaner (small screws) had
worked their way out, striped their way out, and caught the choke plate
and left it wide open. Andy said it'll just keep on doing this (he had
one that did the same thing). Any sugestions on how to inexpensively
repair this problem?
Thanks
Marc
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:44:18 -0600
From: Jamey Moss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine pulling

I've stripped almost everything off of my rusted out '72 F100, and I'm about
ready to pull the 390 and C6 before sending it to the great truck yard in the
sky. I've never pulled an engine before, but from what I understand it's not
terribly difficult.

My question is whether I should pull the engine separate from the transmission
(like all the books and manuals I've read) or leave the two attached and pull
them as a unit (as a co-worker suggested). Is there any reason that I
shouldn't pull them out as a unit other than possibly overloading the weight
capacity of the engine hoist (which shouldn't be a problem if I rent a heavy
duty hoist)?

It seems that it would be easier to disconnect the transmission from the
engine while it is sitting out on my driveway than if I had to crawl
underneath to bust some knuckles. Also, does anyone know how much a FE/C6
combo weighs? My guess is 800 to 900 lbs. with all the accessories on the engine.

Any other engine pulling tips or suggestions for a first timer?


Thank you,

Jamey Moss
67 F100 Ranger
72 F100 Ranger XLT (with terminal rust)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:39:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:55:00 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

> I had a 352 crack a head because of this. The fluid in the radiator
> froze (my fault, fluid was old). When the thermostat opened, the
> hose was blocked by ice/slush. When the ice finally "let go", the
> freezing cold water/ice immediately hit the hot block and the rest
> is history.

I once drove all the way to work alternating between 90 mph and coast
to thaw a frozen radiator. The third or fourth time I did this the
bottom hose exploded but the engine never suffered (except from the
over heating). Aint it amazing what young and foolish people will do
to save a buck or a minute..........:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:40:53 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake light update

Hey Garry,

The 69 F-100 4x4 "proportioning" valve I had looked like it really didn't
"proportion" much, it looked more like just a junction to me. It didn't seem
like there were any moving parts like the newer model PV's for the disc brake
setups. You might start out by taking out your "valve" and cleaning it out
real good and also testing the little switch and try to determine why it was
grounding and completing the circuit. I'm wondering if some crud has gotten
into the valve and causing the problem.

If the "valve" doesn't have any moving parts, its hard to imagine that it
would wear out....

Let us know how it goes...

Colorado Jeff


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:41:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:49:04 -0700

> The cold will do funny things, I had a windshield crack when I tried
> to wash the slush off with the w/s washer. Nice hot defroster goin'
> full blast on the inside, nice shot o'cold washer fluid on the
> outside...CRAAAACK! Lord I loved them Michigan winters!!

I use hot tap water to wash the ice off my windshield after a
freezing rain storm. Never cracked one yet......(how do you make a
cross your fingers symbol?)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:41:11 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350

While trying to update my 77 F-150 4x4 front axle to F-250 heavy-duty disc
brakes, I found that the only way to find out what was compatible was to take
my old spindle, hub, etc. to the junkyard and compare it to the possible donor
rig's parts.

Since you are converting from drum to disc, I have a hunch you are going to
have to change the steering knuckles as well because the number of spindle
studs may be different. An alternative would be to drill another set of holes
in your updated spindles to match your old steering knuckle if all else
fails...

I have an old spindle from a 76 F-250 4x4 and can take some measurements for
you if this will help...let me know and good luck!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:55:45 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs

> From: William L Ballinger



> >Someone said he would never put a Rochester on his ford but in fact
> >they were used on a few back around 68. I believe it was the CJ or
> >whatever in the Tbird but not sure exactly which one it was so that
> >makes it legal for ford use IMNSHO :-)
>
> I think it was in '71 on the 429.

Well it was me that said I wouldn't mount one on my Fords, I respect your
ways of using what works but I just like to use all FoMoCo parts. There is
one thing I want to take you to task about though. I think you may be
thinking of another carb which maybe in someways resembles a Rochester
Quadrejet. I don't think you would have ever seen a G.M product on a ford,
especially the T-bird or a CJ engine. I have tuned allot of vehicles in the
last 21 years and have never seen a combo you are speaking of. If someone
has proof of this ever being factory installed please post your reference.
I think you are thinking of a Thermoquad, which does appear similar and
even is almost the same in operation. Baked potato suit on and ready.. :)

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:17:18 -0600
From: Stephen_Heidt transalta.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold

Stephen Heidt TRANSALTA
27/05/98 08:17 AM

Ken

When you get your A/C unit don't overlook the pulley set up. You might
need the crank pulley and the one that I missed, the power steering pulley.
It's different on non A/C vs one with A/C. Had to drive back about a hour
each way for that one!!!!

Later
Steve
Calgary,

> Well, I'd better get off my soapbox.... FTE Content:
>
> Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7 (maybe 9) 67-72 F100s
> in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit, chrome drip rail,
> windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight "door", steering
wheel,
> one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more. Anyone in need of parts,
> let me know, I'll have some for sale soon!
>
> Ken


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:20:51 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?

>This radiator is still available new from radiator shops. I should
>know, I've got one! Anyways, don't know about the 73-79 but 67-72 will
>work. Also, the shrouds are still available at many Ford dealerships
>for about $50 (thanks to Gary Bowling for this tip).
>
Right, but they are >$200. I only paid $375 for the whole truck so I was
hoping I could find a used unit for around $50. Thanks for the shroud tip
- - I will probably have to get a new one as they are just about non-existent
in the junkyards even for newer trucks (tried to get one for my '90 F150
when I went to a bigger radiator and had no luck at all).
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:18:37 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 F-250

I've aquired this 68 F-250 that I need some help with. It's got a 360 and
C-6 with Dana 60? rears. This is the first time I've dealt with '67 to '72
series so i have no idea what will interchange. I've had several '74
to'79's, so I know I can do the front disc swap, but the problem is in the
small things, like what year bench seats will swap and what year bed will
not only fit but have the right body lines. Any info from you '67 to '72
people will help me get started and will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Stoney

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:24:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold

>
>Stephen Heidt TRANSALTA
>27/05/98 08:17 AM
>
>Ken
>
>When you get your A/C unit don't overlook the pulley set up. You might
>need the crank pulley and the one that I missed, the power steering pulley.
>It's different on non A/C vs one with A/C. Had to drive back about a hour
>each way for that one!!!!
>
>Later
>Steve
>Calgary,
>

I've already got the two belt pulley on mine so I won't have
to worry about it. Glad you mentioned it though so I can make
sure its all there!

Ken


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:29:14 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Straying topics

Don't take this as a scolding, its just a friendly reminder.
I'm just as guilty as anyone else..... no apologies needed.

We're really straying off topic, especially with the redneck
thread. This list is meant to be a lot of fun and a good place
to get to know fellow Ford fans but we need to try to stay
focused on FTE content.

Ken Payne, List Tyrant



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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:07:55 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

I know up in AK they sell a product that I think they call "winter fronts"
Basically it's a vinyl sheet with snaps around the outside and a zipper
down the middle. In the winter you simply snap it on over the grill and
then unzip it if the temp gets too warm. You've probably seen a larger
version on long haul big rigs. Pretty slick actually. The Ford dealer in
Fairbanks sold them thru the parts department for 86 & newer trucks. Don't
know how many $.

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> From: Bear
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 3:25 AM
>
> I live in Minnesota. I never have used cardboard or any other item in
the
> front of my radiator. Even when it is -30F I still get good heat. If
you
> put in a 195F thermostat and you will stay warm as long as you have a
good
> heater core!
> If you cover half of the radiator with cardboard that will cause even
temp
> in the radiator and that would be bad too... If you are going to cover
it
> cover the whole thing with something like "peg board" or something of the
> likes that way you have a more even temp through out the radiator.
>

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:16:06 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

Thanks for your message at 08:12 PM 5/26/98 -0700, Steve & Rockette. Your
message was:
>At 08:31 AM 26/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>>
>>On second thought, how about Fall City, Wa the weekend of June 21, Fall
>
>
>I'd go for the Fall City locale, I work in Preston....
>For those not familiar with the former logging towns of the
>great northwet, you cant get to Fall City easily except
>through Preston.

Or Redmond, Or Carnation, Or Northbend

> I dont think they would like a couple-o-hundred FTE's
>ripping up they're town anyway!!!

As for a couple hundred FTE's, on Fall City Days they would love to have
anyone...
And Fall CIty gets ripped up every weekend, anyway...

I have a feeling there's a lot of old Ford iron stashed around that area
(Lower Snoqualmie River Valley). Definitely need to plan a scouting
trip...The Preston-High Point area should be pretty good, too. Where do
you work?
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:57:08 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M manifold etc.

>From: luxjo thecore.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M manifold/projection/EFI gas tanks
>
> Ripped the top of my motor off yesterday(78 Bronco). Do 351M
>heads have water ports that go into the intake manifold?. I see 4
>very small holes going into cross over ports on the intake. Also,
>who has installed an intake without using cork end gaskets and
>only RTV? How has it held up? I need to install temp sensor for
>projection (2 bbl, EFI) and it looks like that would be the spot.

Yo OX:

All 335 series engines (including the M-blocks 351M/400) have a dry intake
manifold, that is, no coolant circulates through the manifold. The small
holes on the heads are drilled through to the exhaust ports. The holes
toward the rear of the engine are used for EGR and the holes toward the
front are used for Thermactor air injection. The EGR crossover in the
manifold (rear) also feeds the choke heat riser.....


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