61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 309



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F-250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...
FTE 61-79 - Fan
FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - 351M manifold/projection/EFI gas tanks
FTE 61-79 - Clutch Chatter
FTE 61-79 - Redneck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M manifold/projection/EFI gas tanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - What radiator in '68 F-250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
RE: FTE 61-79 - Redneck
RE: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:01:36 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks

>Jeff Grant writes: >> down here in georgia truck pullers are
>considered red necks: but then again to most people,any one from
georgia is
>a red neck

And Azie replied
>Don't worry about what "Most People say". We in Alabama are also
>considered "Redneck", and I always smile and say, " Yep, and I'm very
proud
>to be one"

My apologies to those I've offended by using the term "Redneck" in a
negative way. When I was defending my Confederate pride, I thoughtlessly
miss-used the good name in describing a racist. I would hope that I made
it clear how I feel aside from my mistake. I get defensive concerning
the display of the Confederate flag and being miss-judged by others as
an ignorant self-righteous bigot. In my haste however, I mocked the very
thing I was defending. In California the name is miss-used all too often
but that's no excuse, I knew better. Your right Azie and should proud of
being a Redneck. It wasn't my intent to belittle our American Farmer and
Grassroot Americans. Please excuse my piss poor judgment and understand,
I meant no harm.

Deacon
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:05:23 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F-250

At 10:12 PM 25/05/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Where do you find the engine code on a motor?
>
You don't, really.

If a V8, you can find the part number of the intake on top of the intake.

I only really know about FE's. You will find the head casting no. between
the two middle spark plug holes, and the block casting no. on the pass.
side of the block.

This will tell you little or nothing though cause most all fe's used the
same block/heads except for more hi-per ones or older ones. from about 68
on a 390 and a 360 used the same block, in 66 a 352, 360, 390, 410 and I
think 428 all used the same block and heads in 'standard' configuration.

The best place to try to i.d. your engine, if not swapped out, is in the
serial number of the vehicle.


marko in vancouver

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:21:47 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...

> From: "Chris Samuel"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...
> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 19:16:09 -0700

> All of the above is my opinion.
> It is based on: fire, smoke, broken parts, twisted sheet metal, fast
> times, tight corners, deep mud, blistered slicks, white water, good
> beer, better bourbon, fine cigars, and all of the costs that go with
> each of them. If you listen to my opinion (whether you agree or
> disagree) and then act on it in any way you are solely responsible
> for those actions and the results there of good or bad.

I've never put it into so many words but understood it to be the way
you say and have expressed this same thought myself many times but
have no empirical evidence to base my judgement on as you have. Good
job on the explaination :-)

Someone said he would never put a Rochester on his ford but in fact
they were used on a few back around 68. I believe it was the CJ or
whatever in the Tbird but not sure exactly which one it was so that
makes it legal for ford use IMNSHO :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:30:23 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fan

Keith; I really do know how to spell your last name. Srb. Somehow I got
an e in it!! Sorry about that. In another post of mine, I noticed that I
can't spell Ardmore, anymore, also.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:42:31 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

Keith Srb writes: >>Does your engine every get up to a "Normal" perating
temp?

Doesn't matter about the size of the radiator.(we're talking larger here -
not smaller) The thermostat should control the engine temp. The reason
big diesel rigs use the cardboard is that they have a bypass tube the size
of Rhode Island, whereas we have a 3/4" bypass (or smaller in some cases).
Your radiator can be the size of Crater Lake, and it should still get warm
with the thermostat closed off.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:50:13 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M manifold/projection/EFI gas tanks

Hey all

Ripped the top of my motor off yesterday(78 Bronco). Do 351M heads
have water ports that go into the intake manifold?. I see 4 very small
holes going into cross over ports on the intake. Also, who has installed
an intake without using cork end gaskets and only RTV? How has it held
up? I need to install temp sensor for projection (2 bbl, EFI) and it
looks like that would be the spot.

Speaking of pro-jection, what year gas tanks can I use for intank fuel
pumps (EFI setup)?? What pumps are used? Look anything like Mustang fuel
pumps?


OX
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:50:51 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Chatter

Marko writes: >>I would recommend the diaphragm type clutch over the
finger type clutch
hands down. Much better pedal action too.

I would agree that you shud check all engine mounts and drivetrain
components.

One other thing you should be careful of is the clutch release arm between
the frame and the engine. If this is loose or able to vibrate, you can
have some kind of resonant vibration between engine (moving) and frame
(rigid).

Marko!!! You just might have taught this old dog a new trick. I've never
suspected the linkage
around the pivit point. It makes good sense. Can't figure out why I
hadn't suspected this before.

Oh Well !! Thanks for the tip -- I knew about the diaphram being better,
but not the linkage.

Have a very good day.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:54:02 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Redneck

Sleddog writes: >>i might even be one

I'm gonna say that with the accent you most likely have, that you'd never
be called a "Redneck". Pure speculation on my part, but I'd guess you say
"Youse Guys" and we say "Yaw'll".

Azie
Ardmore, A.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:01:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks

At 11:01 AM 5/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
> My apologies to those I've offended by using the term "Redneck" in a
>negative way. When I was defending my Confederate pride, I thoughtlessly
>miss-used the good name in describing a racist. I would hope that I made
>it clear how I feel aside from my mistake. I get defensive concerning
>the display of the Confederate flag and being miss-judged by others as
>an ignorant self-righteous bigot. In my haste however, I mocked the very
>thing I was defending. In California the name is miss-used all too often
>but that's no excuse, I knew better.

Its even worse in Georgia. All the people from out of state insist
on calling every Southerner a red-neck. My grandfather and his
grandfather were redneck farmers, aka: crackers. Jeff Foxyworthy
has turned the word around to mean stupid, ignorant and poor. Its a
shame that everytime you feel proud of your heritage in this part of
the country some politically correct yahoo twists your words and says
"racist."

Well, I'd better get off my soapbox.... FTE Content:

Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7 (maybe 9) 67-72 F100s
in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit, chrome drip rail,
windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight "door", steering wheel,
one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more. Anyone in need of parts,
let me know, I'll have some for sale soon!

Ken


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:37:22 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

At 02:42 PM 5/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Keith Srb writes: >>Does your engine every get up to a "Normal" perating
>temp?
>
>Doesn't matter about the size of the radiator.(we're talking larger here -
>not smaller) The thermostat should control the engine temp. The reason
>big diesel rigs use the cardboard is that they have a bypass tube the size
>of Rhode Island, whereas we have a 3/4" bypass (or smaller in some cases).
>Your radiator can be the size of Crater Lake, and it should still get warm
>with the thermostat closed off.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>

Yes this is true. But what happens when all of this coolant starts
circulating through the motor. Would it cool things off enough to close
the thermostat again? Would you create a situation where the thermostat
is going to be opening and closing all of the time. Does it matter if the
thermostat would be opening and closing all of the time? Am I "worrying"
about nothing here. If so, I am going to go find a V-8 radiator at the
U-PULL it place and throw it in my truck and try it out for a while.


Thanks


Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
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Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box Style Side.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:35:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold

Yeah!

Check out for a '70 core support, passenger inner fender, that little metal
> piece under grill that runs between the turn signals, plastic turn signal
lamps (both), and plastic grill inserts!!!

Any of those rust free (crack free) would make me happy! (anybody else got
this stuff?)

Tony
tony pscico.com
www.pscico.com/~tony

> Well, I'd better get off my soapbox.... FTE Content:
>
> Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7 (maybe 9) 67-72 F100s
> in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit, chrome drip rail,
> windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight "door", steering wheel,
> one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more. Anyone in need of parts,
> let me know, I'll have some for sale soon!
>
> Ken
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:47:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings

> From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings
> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 02:45:35 GMT

> working on a 4wd front end, so I checked my service manual (Always
> read directions), and the book says I gotta have tool "T59T-1197-B"
> which by the drawing looks to be a giant socket wrench. Anyone know
> what size this is? What they cost? Any substitutes; I hate having
> tools that are only good for one thig. All help or suggestions are

A suggestion was made that you can torque to 50# and back off 90
degrees and put the outer nut on and torque it to 70 - 90# and that's
it but the book says that the bearing requires 0.001 - 0.010" "free
play" when you are finished for proper clearance. The method is used
to get in the ball park but is not the last operation. You still
have to "feel" for free play and turn the inner nut one hole at a
time till you get all the play that you can feel by hand out of it at
which point you will be very close to the book free play spec.. You
can feel 0.010" fairly easily but 0.001 may as well be zero as far as
feel is concerned so if you "just" get all the play out it will be
close enough. You feel the play by rocking the tire sideways, back
and forth while noting anything else in the system that may be
moving which can influence your feel, one hand on top and one on the
bottom etc..

You didn't ask but don't stuff grease in the hubs, lightly coat the
splines and moving parts in the hub, pack the bearings after cleaning
them but just pack the bearings not the inner area between them in
the hub, you don't need gobs of grease. Don't spin the dry bearing
with an air hose to dry it off or clean it, rinse in solvent and then
blow it dry keeping the bearing cage secure so it doesn't spin. Keep
your hands clean as you work and keep all dirt out of the hub,
spindle and bearings in the process (not as easy to do as it may
seem) :-)

Any looser and your disk brakes won't work, any tighter and you risk
galling your bearings. All tapered bearings require some free play
AFAIK.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:52:50 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

At 02:42 PM 26/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Keith Srb writes: >>Does your engine every get up to a "Normal" perating
>temp?
>
>Doesn't matter about the size of the radiator.(we're talking larger here -
>not smaller) The thermostat should control the engine temp. The reason
>big diesel rigs use the cardboard is that they have a bypass tube the size
>of Rhode Island, whereas we have a 3/4" bypass

This is true except when you get into Wild Rose Country, or anywhere else
they have a real winter. Like when you go to your car in the morning, spit
and hear the spit clunk when it hits the ground. Start the car. Unplug
it. Let it warm up for 10 minutes. Drive away, and listen to the
thud-thud of the frozen-flat tires lumping along the road, and the groan of
the snow underneath them.

When the air is -30 and you're driving at 60 miles an hour, that radiator
gets awful cold. Everybody runs cardboard in that weather. Cause when the
engine gets up to temperature, the thermostat opens, flooding the engine
> with damn cold coolant. Then it shuts again. So it never gets
particularly warm at all. This is why we use cardboard, to try to keep
some heat in the radiator when the thermostat opens.


marko in vancouver
formerly marko from edmonton (brr!!!)



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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:56:01 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

> From: BBMZ31A prodigy.com ( MICHAEL N BIGBY)
> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:01:42, -0500
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around....

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