61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 308



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Barn Project
FTE 61-79 - 351 windsor with holley carb
FTE 61-79 - 351M questions
FTE 61-79 - Screw up
FTE 61-79 - 73 steering wheel etc
FTE 61-79 - FE's
FTE 61-79 - Truckbeds
Re: FTE 61-79 - Screw up
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
Re: FTE 61-79 - Automated VIN Decoder
FTE 61-79 - Hanger Bearing
FTE 61-79 - Hub Wrench for F-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Screw up
FTE 61-79 - C6 and Front springs
> FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 windsor with holley carb
FTE 61-79 - Cooling fan
Re: FTE 61-79 - Barn Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 overheating
Re: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?
FTE 61-79 - Rednecks
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
Re: FTE 61-79 - 73 steering wheel etc
Re: FTE 61-79 - '62 Ford Pickup
FTE 61-79 - RE: 351M questions (Front end sag)
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 overheating
FTE 61-79 - apologies and summer
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rednecks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter
Re: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hanger Bearing

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:14:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Barn Project

Well, gang, I have air in my barn now. I couldn't decide how to do
it, either put the compressor in the barn and pipe air to the garage
or visa/versa but either way I had to run a pipe between them because
I couldn't see any good reason to have two compressors. I had some
160 psi black plastic water pipe left over and decided to use that
since I didn't anticipate needing over 125 psi line pressure for
anything so that's what I used. Woke up Sunday feeling like I had
been lifting weights due to the digging Saturday to bury the pipe.
(Used a mattox to keep the 40' x 24" deep trench narrow)

Anyway I used all 1" pipe from the existing 3/4" pipe in the garage
to make sure we had enough volume to run the 3/4" impact. Eventually
I will replace all the 3/4 with 1". It's not as expensive as I
thought it would be. She's all done now with no leaks and potential
for 5 drops, 4 near the lift power supply for lift safety lock,
paint, air, and air tools (with oil) and one at the end (capped off
for now). Looks pretty awesome. I'm taking pictures as I go and
will try to get some kind of web site set up with all this stuff
eventually but for now just picture pipe large enough to jump up and
down on without bending :-)

Now I can dig the rat wall, shore up the outer wall which keeps
caving in from the rain and put the 30# felt all around the skirting
and posts to prevent frost lift and pour the floor, hopefully within
the next few weeks. I'll keep y'all posted. My poor bronco has been
waiting patiently for this to be finished so it can have the surgery
it needs and my truck too and then there's the cars that need tires
> rotated an my daughters truck' oil change............:-):-):-):-)

Haven't even started on the bathroom yet......:-( Don't know when
the party will be but I'll certainly send out invitations to all on
the lists who might be in the area when it's done and the party is
scheduled. I may even cut a ribbon or something :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 05:55:10 PDT
From: "anita hanchob"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 windsor with holley carb

will a holley 750 single-pump vacuum-secondaries manual choke
carburateor work on my 351 windsor? my 351 is board 40 over forged
flat-top pistons, it's been balanced and blueprinted I got a weind dual
plane high-rise intake. the heads have been ported and polished. and I
am running roller-rockers would that carborater flood this engine out?

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:08:48 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M questions

>Hi, I'm joining this list for the summer since I'm in school.
>I bought a 1979 F150 custom in January. This truck originally
>came from the factory with a 302 and 3 speed manual. The
>truck had already been converted to automatic when I bought
>it using factory parts (tilt column w/shifter). However the 302
>shook badly and one day when I was trying to start it the carb
>lit up. I exchanged the engine and transmission with a 1978
>351M and C6. The extra weight has highlighted the downfall
>of the I-beam front suspension (front wheels lean inwards)
>Can this be remedied by swapping out the front coils with the
>ones from the donor truck or do I need to get heavier shocks?
>
Start by getting the proper springs for your truck equipped with that
engine. You might need a heavier shock too but I would just put the
springs, get it aligned, and then see how it does. If the 351M is too
heavy for your shocks it will just wear them out prematurely.

>Also, how do I tell if my torque converter is locking up properly
>or not?
>
Your truck is not equipped with a lockup torque converter.

>Sometimes even after driving for a while my choke
>seems to remain closed - I put it in neutral and it holds high
>revs. Any ideas as to what this could be? BTW the heat riser
>from the crossover is broken.
>
I am assuming this is an auto choke but not electric? If so, it relies on
the heat riser to tell it when the engine is warm so it's no wonder this
isn't happening since you say it is broken. If it is electric, you need to
make sure you have 12V at the contact when the engine is running. If so,
you may have a bad choke coil.

>My plan is to rebuild the five-oh after a year or so and put it
>back in with an OD transmission (or maybe 5 sp) if $$ allows.
>Thanks for your help.
>
If you put the 351 springs on it, the front end will be too high when you
put the lighter 302 back in.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:10:37 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Screw up

Previous post was meant for Stu V.

Sorry about that.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:35:19 -0700
From: fjm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 73 steering wheel etc

Hi, I just resubbed after about 6 months of enforced absence. I have a
1973 F-100 240 6. Sometime last year the subject of door panels came up
and a source in Tennessee (I think that's where) was mentioned. Anyone
remeber where that was? Anyhow I need a new steering wheel or at least
a good used one. Any source ideas? Our local dealer stocks them but
$190 is a bit more than I'd budgeted. Junkyard ones are all like mine,
craked from the heat. I live In Tucson AZ. My 240 doesn't ever run hot
here. It'll get just past the middle of the gauge running at 80 on a
really hot day with high humidity. YMMV. fjm

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:34:47 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE's

Bill Ballinger writes:>>Didn't they change the width of the thrust bearing
somewhere about '63-'64? I learned the hard way that the motor mount bolt
pattern is different between pre and post'64's The later blocks interchange
to the early ones,but the early ones are lacking the holes for the later
mounts.

Not sure about the thrust bearing change - could very well be true, and
I've never ran into it doing some of the cross mating that I've done over
the years. I always tried to purchase bearings for the year of the block,
so that would have prevented me from finding this one. The motor mounts
were changed somewhat in the time frame you are speaking of. I thought it
was '67, but that could very well be wrong, and is if you know that the
pre/post 64's were different.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:37:56 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truckbeds

Jeff writes: >> Is $200 about right for a longbed?

No - THATS NOT ABOUT RIGHT. THATS A BARGAIN!!!!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:47:54 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Screw up

Azie: Didn't Stu check out last Friday from the list for the summer.
Seems he doesn't have a computer at home. Maybe someone on the list has
his phone number.

Regards
John

am14 chrysler.com wrote:

> Previous post was meant for Stu V.



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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:52:30 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

Thanks for your message at 02:43 PM 5/22/98 -0700, Marko Maryniak. Your
message was:
>
>How about Vancouver?????
>
>(actually even Vancouver WA would be very fine)
>
>marko 8^]
>

Vancouver, WA would be very fine

Dennis in Kennewick, WA


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:01:42 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Automated VIN Decoder

Thanks for your message at 09:55 PM 5/22/98 -0500, Michael R. Masse. Your
message was:
>
> My next step is to add all of the 60's information, but I've run into
>a snag. The decoder looks at the consecutive sequence number of the vin
>to figure out what year the vehicle is, and the problem is that
>according to my references, 67 and 76 both could have the same sequence
>number. In fact it looks as if vehicles of these two years could have
>the exact same vin number. Does anyone have any in depth reference to
>Ford vins that could help me out here?? Is the information I have just
>a typo?
>
>According to the Ford Pickup Redbook, '67 used sequence numbers:
>A00,000 through B81,999
>
>and in '76 the numbers were:
>A00,001 through D25,000
>
>My Hollander's only goes back to 70, but it had the same information for
>the 76 year also. The weird thing is that in 75 the sequence was
>v20,001 to X40,000
>then it goes back to A00,000 in 76 and then in 77 it jumps to
>X80,000. Something just seems weird, but that's from two different
>sources. If I can just get this figured out, I can add everything down
>to '46 and everything up through '88.
>
This seems similar to the end-of-the-millenium giant computer glitch that
is forseen for the year 2000. If you guys can figure this VIN thing out
and if you have time, maybe you could tackle the "00" problem. Wouldn't
that be good publicity for the FTE?

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:02:58 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hanger Bearing

I saw where somebody was getting some vibration out of their rear driveline
after changing their hanger bearing. Most likely, its not your bearing
installation, but either the phase of your U-joints, or one of the shafts is
out of balance (either junk on it or maybe slightly bent). Someone on the list
pointed me to:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.classic truckshop. com/t4.htm

They discuss driveline geometry and U-joint phases...check it out...

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:03:10 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hub Wrench for F-250 4x4

Hey Rob,

The hub wrench is really worth the investment, should be around $20....this
will save you quite a bit of time in working with the bearing retaining
nuts....plus, when you go to put it back together, you just torque it to
around 50 ft-lbs and back it off 90 degrees - a pretty slick way to set your
wheel bearing tolerances...

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:18:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Screw up

At 06:47 AM 5/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Azie: Didn't Stu check out last Friday from the list for the summer.
>Seems he doesn't have a computer at home. Maybe someone on the list has
>his phone number.
>
>Regards
>John
>
>am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
>> Previous post was meant for Stu V.
>
>
Phone number is 901.989.3498
I check out at 1330 hours today central time.

>
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:44:59 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 and Front springs
>
Chad writes: >>I exchanged the engine and transmission with a 1978
351M and C6. The extra weight has highlighted the downfall
of the I-beam front suspension (front wheels lean inwards)
Can this be remedied by swapping out the front coils with the
ones from the donor truck or do I need to get heavier shocks?
Also, how do I tell if my torque converter is locking up properly
or not?

The front springs from any F-150 will help, but the larger the stock engine
> from the donor truck, the better. On the C6 there is not, nor has there
ever been, the lockup feature. I'd like to have one that would lockup,
also, but we're stuck with out that good feature.

Azie
Ardmpore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:52:34 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter

Gene Gardner writes: >>the clutch has always chattered in first gear.

When you solve this problem, will you please post the solution to the list.
I've driven FOMOCO's all my life, and this has always been a problem( engine
> size doesn't seem to matter). Even the old flatheads do it. I've found
that a super tight(stiff) drivers side motor mount and likewise
transmission mount(s) will lessen the harshness of the chatter, but I've
never solved it completely.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:20:26 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 windsor with holley carb

> From: anita hanchob




First you might think about the fact that you "NeedANewName"

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"....

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