61-79-list-digest Monday, May 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 306



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve
FTE 61-79 - yet ANOTHER VIN question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo- ed V8s
RE: FTE 61-79 - transmission woes and beds
FTE 61-79 - Re:Questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo- ed V8s
Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve
Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering
FTE 61-79 - OT A place to check out in Stockton
RE: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...
FTE 61-79 - RE: Turbo V8's
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Turbo V8's
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
FTE 61-79 - '62 Ford Pickup
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
FTE 61-79 - What is it called?
Re: FTE 61-79 - silliness..
Re: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 07:25:46 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve

The secondary air valve on mine is lacking the vacuam break that it's
supposed to have. You can adjust the spring pressure to make it take
more to pull it open, but when you get it to where it doesn't spit when
you slam it down, it will be flat. What the vacuam break does is crack
the air valve on acceleratiom and effectively both give it a little fuel
to keep it from bogging and slow down the sudden opening of the valve
keeping it from dumping fuel.(spitting) I plan to put one on next time
it comes apart, but until then I'll have to time my foot to the load
conditions.


> Can you adjust the accelerator pump to actuate less? I've been thinking
> about the acceleration problem your having and besides the spring it
> could be getting to much gas squirting in the secondary. Just a thought!
> :)

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:42:28 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - yet ANOTHER VIN question

- -Can someone tell me what all these numbers mean? It's off the tag on
- -firewall:
- - 295 F25BMDH5403 16
- - 46 33 4BR 20K 7
- -
- -I know the F25BMDH5403 is the VIN but what's the rest of it trying to
- -say? Also, there is a VIN on the driver's door post and the one above
- -thats on the firewall. Are there any more tags on the truck somewhere?
- -Thanks! Jack P.
- -
- -76 F250 360 C6
- -90 E150 300 C6
- -95 F350 7.3L Powerstroke 4wd Crewcab
- -and also 67 VW Bug
- - 61 VW Singlecab Bus (hey- VW's are cool
too!!!)
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 05:59:01 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo- ed V8s

>There are a lot of ideas running through my head. One is to find a
>defunct/blown up International DT466 or Detroit 8.2L diesel and rob the
>turbo from it. Would this possibly give me the performance I desire?
>
>Can anyone point me where I could find more information, particularly
>about sizing and wastegate settings?

"Turbochargers" by Hugh Macinnes, and "Street Supercharging" by Pat Ganahl
would be a good start.
They should both be available at Your local speed shop.
I'd like to use a pair of turbos from T-bird turbo coupes or equivalant on
the FE390. I found one at the wreckers for $45, now I'm waiting for a second
one to show up...


Steve

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and asking questions, always new questions,
then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 19:57:10 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - transmission woes and beds

no problem glad it worked out for you.

sleddog

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - transmission woes and beds

Thanks sleddog for the info on the transmission. Fixed it this morning.

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:39:30 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Questions

Thanks Steve.

> >Questions. Does the Performer 390 have an exhaust cross passage under the
> >carb?
>
> Yes, it does.
>
> Steve

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo- ed V8s

At 12:12 AM 24/5/98 -0700, you wrote:

>There are a lot of ideas running through my head. One is to find a
>defunct/blown up International DT466 or Detroit 8.2L diesel and rob the
>turbo from it. Would this possibly give me the performance I desire?
>
>Can anyone point me where I could find more information, particularly
>about sizing and wastegate settings?
>

I could be mistaken, but I dont believe the DT466's have waste gates.
I maintain two of them at where I work, and dont recall seeing any.

They do sound very cool at 2500rpm, even cooler at 2750...
I think it would be possible to install the turbo, but plumbing in the
3" exhaust from the turbo and out of the engine bay might be a bit
problematic.

I can check the manuals this afternoon, and have a "factual"
answer to my claim of no wastegates......

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:13:34 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> At 02:27 PM 5/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Pigeon Forge is just too far for me, a west coast event would be great. LA
> >is kind of far, any interest in something in the bay area? I would really
> >like to cruise down and show off my '67 when it is looking good - maybe in
> >the year 2020 I will have it ready.
>
> SF bay area would be perfect for me! That's not much more than 100 miles
> from here...
>
> Steve
>
> Steve
>
>

I was thinking that Sacrmento has some big gatherings every once and a while.
OH hey I just thought of something =I

There is am all Ford show at the old San Jose plant now shopping mall every
year. I just happend to be in Pleaston at that time so I jumped on down to
check it out, big Mustang turn out. It was in late Sept so that might give
some people time to make plans.

Steve, or anyone on Fordnatics right now, someone there might have some
information on it. I'll see what I can dig up.--
Don Grossman
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:13:56 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve

Somebody on this thread Wrote:

> > could be getting to much gas squirting in the secondary.


There is no accelerator pump discharge into the secondaries on a
Quadrajet... I hate to admit it but, well ok, yes I used to make allot, and
I mean allot, of money working on nothing but these darn things. your
tuning is limited to secondary air valve tension and size and spring rate
of the secondary metering rods, as for the primary you have metering rod
size and tension. Accelerator pump discharge can be played with a little
with moving the fulcrum point of the pump lever, and length of the pump
arm. I hate to admit it but a "properly tuned in Quadrajet is a nice piece.
However you well never see any one of those Rochester NY things on any Ford
I ever own/drive. JMHO


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
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75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:28:18 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering

>

Here is what I found for the show.

Sept. 13
2nd Annual Fun Ford Sunday All Ford Show Great Mall of the Bay Area, Milpitas
(510) 825-2906

Not much information but if I can find the hosting club I will pass that
along.

Laters


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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:34:29 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OT A place to check out in Stockton

This is not truck related but if you are also into Mustangs.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mustangsplus.com/

Laters
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:00:18 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...

you mentioned the plenum volume, but do not forget the lack of a plenum
divider also allows each cyl to pull from the whole carb. on most newer 2
planes there is a small cut out for siphoning from the other 2 bbls.
increase the cutout by removing it totally as on mopar hemi's of the past,
or add a spacer and the whole carb feeds each cyl. absolutely plenum
volume helps, but the ability to have better breathing also helps top end.
and my experience is that the added plenum volume of even a 2" spacer on a
big block is not measurable by the seat-a-da-pants meter. but the increase
in rpm at the top is quit noticeable most often. throttle responce has
never suffered for any engine i put a spacer on.

sleddog



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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...


On Carbs and Adapters:


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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:09:23 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Turbo V8's

Birken T. Vogt
There is a book that you should have it is called "Turbochargers" One of
the best volumes ever written on the subject.

You should check out this site:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alliedsignal.com/business/turbo/about_cas.html

This is one of the best sites on the web.
Garrett builds the Turbos for the race boat that I am peripherally involved
with

Another site is:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.turbocity.com/

There are some general guidelines to be aware of:
You should aim for 9.0 - 9.5:1 Static CR. as this will give you good
response when you are not making boost.
You need to have the Camshaft custom ground. IMHO most of the so called
"Turbo" cams are way too conservative as cam grinders tend to be
conservative. You should be running a Roller Cam as it will let you crank
the valves open farther at a shorter duration.
Think seriously about aluminum heads. They will increase the engine's
tolerance for going into detonation.
You need pistons made by "JE" Have them specked by you engine builder, JE
are (is) good people to work with. You need to know what the effective
compression ratio is for any given boost.
If you are running pump gas you are not going to be able to run high boost
as you will melt the thing down. find a source of Ave. or Race Gas for
Friday night !-)
You need a GOOD water pump, and radiator, and do not underdrive the pump.
You need a high volume oil pump, Big oil cooler(s). and an Accu-sump would
be a good idea.
Forget all of the trick high RPM modifications as you will not need to go
above 4500-5500RPM. You need a solid bottom-end, run ARP Rod Bolts and Main
Studs, a 4 bolt main would be a good idea as you should be able to easily
get 7-800HP.
You need to control the oil so a good pan and windage tray are mandatory, as
is a synthetic oil.
You don't need to "port and polish" the heads, but you do need smooth....

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