61-79-list-digest Friday, May 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 300



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
FTE 61-79 - 462
Re: FTE 61-79 - 462
Re: FTE 61-79 - 462
FTE 61-79 - RE: Heater Hose Routes
Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer
RE: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help - Need Wiring Diagram
> FTE 61-79 - RE: Hello
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Heater Hose Routes
RE: FTE 61-79 - 462
RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer
FTE 61-79 - '68 360 heater hose routing
FTE 61-79 - home
FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation
FTE 61-79 - getting sponsors
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:carburators
FTE 61-79 - 410 Merc
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore.
FTE 61-79 - Carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - home

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:59:38 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

From: John Miller
>Ha Ha Ha..... you know what happens when meetings take place and
someone
>isn't there, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.... you already got unanimously
>VOTED/appointed as the West Coast BIG KAHUNA..... Sorry Bro....
>hehehehehheheheh I guess you have to take that up with the Kenster....
:)

Nope, it just can be. In my 43 years I've learned, you don't put a
manic depressive in charge of fun Friday. It's just not a wise thing to
do. They can help, but if their in charge and things go wrong, there's a
good chance they'll be spotted in a high place with a high powered
weapon. So that makes me a helper! :)

Later! Or sooner, maybe after or before.


deconblu gte.net
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 05:18:37 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 462

>I have a question. at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.blake.com/oemcarbs/ford.htm they say
>the '68 Lincoln with a 462 cu.in. engine has a carb TYPE/BBL C-4-AFB OEM
> ># C8VF-C, D, E . What is a 462? I've never seen one. Also is this a
>Carter AFB? I couldn't find the 4100 on anything lots of 4300s.

The 462 is a later derivative of the 430 Lincoln otherwise known as the
Mercury Turnpike Cruiser. The cylinder heads have flat decks with no
cumbustion chamber( Heron design, I think it's called) I remember a guy from
when I was but a tyke who shoehorned one into a '57 Ford Fairlane. Ruined
the front end, since the engine weighs about 800 lbs. I'm not sure but I
think it all started with the 317 which was Ford's real first OHV.
Come on over to my Back Porch
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
Ballinger
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:07:48 -0400
From: "Ron"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 462

I thought the 239 V8 was the first OHV engine?

Ron

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> From: William L Ballinger
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 462
> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 6:18 AM
>
> >I have a question. at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.blake.com/oemcarbs/ford.htm they say
> >the '68 Lincoln with a 462 cu.in. engine has a carb TYPE/BBL C-4-AFB OEM
> > ># C8VF-C, D, E . What is a 462? I've never seen one. Also is this a
> >Carter AFB? I couldn't find the 4100 on anything lots of 4300s.
>
> The 462 is a later derivative of the 430 Lincoln otherwise known as the
> Mercury Turnpike Cruiser. The cylinder heads have flat decks with no
> cumbustion chamber( Heron design, I think it's called) I remember a guy
from
> when I was but a tyke who shoehorned one into a '57 Ford Fairlane. Ruined
> the front end, since the engine weighs about 800 lbs. I'm not sure but I
> think it all started with the 317 which was Ford's real first OHV.
> Come on over to my Back Porch
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
> Ballinger
> ballingr ldd.net
>
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:14:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 462

> From: "Ron"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 462
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:07:48 -0400

> I thought the 239 V8 was the first OHV engine?

239 and 329 (as I recall) are flat heads one a ford the other a
lincoln and truck engine. First over head valve I know of was the
272, then 292 then 312. Sounds like the 430 and 462 were "Y" block
motors based on the 272 technology??

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 8:23:02 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Heater Hose Routes

Well, I'm glad someone else has this configuration. I thought I was crazy.=
=20
The
heater hose goes into the carb adapter but there is no where for it to come=
=20
out.
I assume the water comes in through the adapter then down into the intake=20
and
then back to the water pump. A wet carb adapter? It makes sense the way=20
its
routed. It seems for force water from the back of the manifold to the fron=
t=20

(or visa-versa, I'm not sure which way the water runs in the manifold) and
when the heater control valve is completly shut, it bypasses all the water
through the manifold keeping it cool.

I'm intrested in hearing from others and the diagram from Stu will help out=
=20
as well.
(Thanks again, Stu!)

John, as far as a northern option, I don't know. This truck was bought at=20=
a=20
dealer
in Clinton, NC which is just a few miles from here. It was used as a farm
truck till the original owner gave it to his son. I have the original=20
warranty
card in the owners manual.

I don't know if they made it this way due to an options package. Say maybe
a towing package? I don't know. I wasn't concerned until I looked at thos=
e
cherried out trucks at the Forge and mine didn't look like theirs.
____________
Ted,
My 360 came from a 69 and was set up that way. I guess the carb adapter was=
=20
to
control the temp of the carb. My auto expert said I needed to have it that=20
way
so I
found an L fitting for the manifold in front of the carb and rerouted the
upper
heater hose to the back of the carb plate then put a short hose between the
front
of the carb plate to the L into the manifold. I don't know if this is right
but it
seems to work ok.
Tom
Learnin' in Reno,NV
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:52:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

>Stu: If you need a motor for you cobra kit car, I have a dual quad
>medium riser sideoiler just about ready to go. I should get the block
>back from the machine shop in a few weeks. Just need to paint it a bolt
>it together.

I beleive that's sleddog's kit car, I am just going to fabricate the frame
for him
while he builds my motor. :) I love haviung anal people work on my
engines!! Can't figure out how I can get the engine 800 miles away! :( Rats!
Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:53:56 -0500
From: Mike Warren
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help - Need Wiring Diagram
>
I will scan these and see about placing them on the Web, If that is OK?
This will really help me alot

Fax Number

214-672-6890

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kristen Marcellus [SMTP:MrsSlix66 email.msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 9:36 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help - Need Wiring Diagram
> >
> Mike-
>
> Send me your fax # and I'll send you the diagrams I've got.
>
> Kristen (MrsSlix66 email.msn.com)
> 66 F100 - in the garage, the basement, the livingroom ... :)
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 8:41:25 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Hello

Ish,

How ya doin? I would look really hard at Stan's Headers. I put
Heddmans on mine. There okay. We were able to get them
in without having to raise the motor. Had to remove the starter
to get them in, then re-installed the starter before mounting them
on the heads. But other than that they were straight forward.
From what I understand about the Stan's Tri-Y's is that the
starter doesn't become an issue. Some one who has a set
can confirm this, but with the Heddmans you'll have to remove
the header to remove the starter. The left pipe on the Heddmans
don't run straight back either. I kicks towards the frame rail and
has to be compensated for in the new pipe.

Just my .02 cents on headers. As far as the other questions, others
on the list that are much, much, much more in the know than myself
can get you a better answer.

Later,

-Ted
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:18:47 PDT
From: "ismael caraballo"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hello

Just bought a '71 F-100 with a 352, 2barrell carb, a/c.
The truck runs ok, but i'd like to improve low-end a little without
hurting mileage. can you suggest an intake manifold to replace the
cast-iron one? does Edelbrock make one?
Also, what do you recommend in the way of headers to replace the stock
exhaust?


thanks,
ish=20
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:01:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Heater Hose Routes

At 08:23 AM 5/22/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Well, I'm glad someone else has this configuration.

Envelope is in the mail with all AC and heater hose routing procedures
copied from Helm/Ford manual of 71 vintage. You will have to cut 2 new
holes for the AC/heater hose
set up.

>I'm intrested in hearing from others and the diagram from Stu will help out
>as well.
>(Thanks again, Stu!)

No poblem Big Boy!
Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:14:47 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 462

there has been some info as of lately posted to the fordnatics list about that engine, the 462. perhaps it is archived.

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 4:14 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 462

> From: "Ron"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 462
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:07:48 -0400

> I thought the 239 V8 was the first OHV engine?

239 and 329 (as I recall) are flat heads one a ford the other a
lincoln and truck engine. First over head valve I know of was the
272, then 292 then 312. Sounds like the 430 and 462 were "Y" block
motors based on the 272 technology??

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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