61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 298



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 transfer case problems - Thanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Ford F100 Prices & Service Specifications for Trucks.
FTE 61-79 - E-Mail
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
FTE 61-79 - Dave, Dale, and Ryan
FTE 61-79 - Re:carburators
FTE 61-79 - Re:Calling Ron Miller
FTE 61-79 - Re: 68 with a 360 heater hoses
RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
FTE 61-79 - RE:Transmission woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave, Dale, and Ryan
FTE 61-79 - Instrument Panel Rewired - but a new problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding Program
Re: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help - Need Wiring Diagram
FTE 61-79 - 1973 Grill Shell??
FTE 61-79 - new engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
FTE 61-79 - switching out my distributor
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:27:04 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 transfer case problems - Thanks

Then why are you parting it out???

luxjo thecore.com wrote:
!!!SNIP!!!
I am picking up a 79 F-250 (has 205 ) this week. I will be parting out
entire drivetrain (well, I might keep axles). Anyway, I live in central
Jersey and truck is auto if your interested. I have driven truck and it
seems everything works OK.

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:34:04 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs

Stu Varner wrote:

> What we, as an FTE organization needs to do, is have a one lap around America!
> Idea here, Ken!!!
>
> Stu
>
> 2 days to leaving, sniff sob boo hoo!
>

Yea, how about some truck nationals here on the west coast. Haven't seen anything
like that around here! It's just like all the Shelby conventions; they are all
back east.

We have the best weather out here, no rain in summer, just blue skies and liquid
sunshine.

Mo later
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500



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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:40:21 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:

> > From: "Deacon"
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
> > Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:45:30 -0700
>
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cybervillage.com/ponycarburetor/spreadbore.htm
>
> Wait a minute the 4100 is a spread bore??? I thought all this time
> you guys were talking square bore??

Gary:

Azie claims to have a factory Autolite spreadbore which Stu I believe
wanted more info on. As yet we haven't heard from him on this anomaly.
Pony Carburetors modifies the 4100 to create a "spreadbore efect" by
shrinking the venturi's on the primary sidefromn 1.12" to 1.00". The
bottom plate of the 4100 is definitely a square bore pattern. Until we
here more from Azie on his "spreadbore", this is all that I can add.

Anyone confused??

Regards
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:03:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs

>> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cybervillage.com/ponycarburetor/spreadbore.htm

>Wait a minute the 4100 is a spread bore??? I thought all this time
>you guys were talking square bore??

The 4100 is square bore, usually with 1.12" primaries and secondaries.
Those pony guys have given it smaller primaries (1") and slightly larger
secondaries 1.18" to "simulate" a square bore carb.
The primary has about 25% less area than stock and the secondary about 10%
more than stock... I wonder if it's enough to really make much difference?
Anybody know what they want for them? No matter, they're too small for a
390 or 460 anyway...

Steve

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"When you stop learning, stop listening, stop looking
and asking questions, always new questions,
then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:11:48 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Ford F100 Prices & Service Specifications for Trucks.

At 05:04 PM 5/21/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Where did you buy all those books ?
>
>Mike in Seattle

I bought the books on the Ebay Auction Site

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ebay.com

Go to the search engine and type in Ford. You will get around 1000-1500
items for sales that contain the word Ford. You will have to wade through
the Whitey Ford Baseball Cards to find the Truck information, But there is
some there sometimes. Sometimes your find nothing of interest, tomorrow
you may find 5 items you want, you just never know


Later



Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
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Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box Style Side.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:36:12 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - E-Mail

Stu wrote:

visit my homepage at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
all summer long, still working on summer email!! I am trying, I hate to
think Ken will get my cigars and william Ballinger will have to take my
place fishin with Deacon.
:)

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Stu,
If you have any kind of computer at home with a modem you can get free
e-mail. Before we got an ISP my wife was on an e-mail list with Juno.
If you want more info let me know. Have a good summer!!

Tom H.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:39:12 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> >> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cybervillage.com/ponycarburetor/spreadbore.htm
>
> >Wait a minute the 4100 is a spread bore??? I thought all this time
> >you guys were talking square bore??
>
> The 4100 is square bore, usually with 1.12" primaries and secondaries.
> Those pony guys have given it smaller primaries (1") and slightly larger
> secondaries 1.18" to "simulate" a square bore carb.
> The primary has about 25% less area than stock and the secondary about 10%
> more than stock... I wonder if it's enough to really make much difference?
> Anybody know what they want for them? No matter, they're too small for a
> 390 or 460 anyway...

Steve: I believe your right in that these are the 480cfm carbs for the
mustangs that they have done the mods. However if you wanted one of the
600cfm's modified, I bet they would do it.

Regards
John


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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:44:33 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs

From: Gary
>Wait a minute the 4100 is a spread bore??? I thought all this time
>you guys were talking square bore??

Cool ain't it! :)

I have a question. at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.blake.com/oemcarbs/ford.htm they say
the '68 Lincoln with a 462 cu.in. engine has a carb TYPE/BBL C-4-AFB OEM
# C8VF-C, D, E . What is a 462? I've never seen one. Also is this a
Carter AFB? I couldn't find the 4100 on anything lots of 4300s.


Deacon
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:17:01 -0500
From: "Dean & Liz Becker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dave, Dale, and Ryan

Looks as though the emmisions question on 78 Fords will continue. I thank
you all for your in puts. I read the messages everyday but I must confess
my technical knowledge is limited. I will write more once we arrive in
California.
I have asked Ford top research the Vin # on my Bronco. I will pass on what
I find out.

Dean Biloxi, MS

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:34:22 -0700
From: tom
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:carburators

Wow, you guys really know how to overload a newbie with info. My 360 project engine
came with an Autolite 4300. I rebuilt it while doing the engine and now that it is
all back together, cannot get a decent idle out of it. Plus when the fuel pump
pressurizes the carb it leaks around the top. I'm thinking of a new carb and was
contemplating an Edelbrock but now ya got me thinking of an Autolite 4100. Pony
sells em rebuilt for $200. How are these carbs as far as tuning and leaking goes. I
remember manual chokes were pretty foolproof. is that the way to go?

Tom
Lookin' for a decent carb in Reno,NV

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Date: Thu, 21 May 98 19:59:48 -0500
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Calling Ron Miller

>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:18:16 -0500
>From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling Ron Miller
>
>>Hello: For those people who would like an option to the Ford and
>>Edlbrock aluminum 4bl intakes for the 390, I have scanned an image of
>>the Ford Power Parts intake. If you email me privately, I can send the
>>picture.
>
>Didn't Ron Miller used to run FPP and sell an excellent FE low-riser intake?
>If it's the same guy, he is the authority on FE stuff. I've read a lot about
>his cars in the rags.(is he the same person as at Auto Krafters and a fellow
>list member?)
>Come on over to my Back Porch
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
>Ballinger
>ballingr ldd.net

So that there is no confusion, I'm the Ron Miller that owns Auto
Krafters, Inc in Broadway, VA. I moved the business from Omaha to
Virginia in 1987. I am not the same Ron Miller that owns Ford Power
Parts (FPP). Several years ago I was at a Shelby convention in CA. and
FPP was set up across the isle from our display and there was quite the
confusion as people wanted to talk to Ron Miller. FPP is definately a
good source for Ford performance parts. They advertise in Super Ford
Magazine among others. Thanks, Ron Miller in VA.

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:58:21 -0700
From: tom
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 68 with a 360 heater hoses

Ted,
My 360 came from a 69 and was set up that way. I guess the carb adapter was to
control the temp of the carb. My auto expert said I needed to have it that way so I
found an L fitting for the manifold in front of the carb and rerouted the upper
heater hose to the back of the carb plate then put a short hose between the front
of the carb plate to the L into the manifold. I don't know if this is right but it
seems to work ok.
Tom
Learnin' in Reno,NV

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:19:13 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

ok, you can start sending the engine parts now ;]

sleddog

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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 11:01 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer


>oh, one more thing, you'd have to put in my cobra kit car i wanna build in
>the next couple of years- before i am too "afraid" to drive it!

I'll be glad to fabricate the frame for you. Should be no problem!!
You build my engine/ I buy parts/ I fabricate your snakey litlle kit car
that will blow everybodies doors off! DEAL?

>or maybe a 48 merc for 2wd truck pulling...
>
Sweet! Startin to sound like Marko with the Merc thing! :) I am just
jealous!!!!

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:33:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs

At 03:33 PM 5/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Oh I wouldn't miss that for any stiinkin thing in the whole wide world.
>I believe we could sell tickets to the movie if we filmed it. Kinda like
>Wild America, the movie. I'd do it in a heart beat!
>
>What we, as an FTE organization needs to do, is have a one lap around America!
>Idea here, Ken!!!
>
>Stu

First, I have to help organize a California get together followed by
the Canadian. Well, not really, I'm just going to start a list to
help facilitate others organizing get-togethers. But first, I still
have 27 items on my TO-DO list.

Ken Payne

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:44:41 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Transmission woes

I know on a C-4 you can get a "slip-in band" fairly cheap. I fixed 2nd in=

my C-4 Maverick for $15. You just slide the band up around the top of the=

drum and back down the other side, and tighten it up. =

Again, this was a C-4 but something similar might be offered for the C-6.=
=



Good luck,
Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352 (soon to be 390)
1974 Maverick 302

>>Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:44:14 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Transmission woes

the wedges are what hold and engage the second gear band. most likely th=
e =

band has broke or worn out. you will then need a new band, and if you do=
=

get a HD one. i do not know if the band can be replaced in truck. the =

wedges can easily with some fiddling be put back in. the adjuster on the=
=

outside of the tranny (after putting them in) needs to be tightened to =

10-15 in-lbs (yes, inch #) and then backed out 2-3 turns i think. even =

with a worn band, reassembling the wedges, you could "limp" around, but i=
=

don't recommend it except an emergency.

pull the valve body, and see if you can get the band out. if you can, tr=
y =

to get a new one in (if the old one needs replacing) and you could be in =

business. add new ATF as the old stuff will most likey have alot of band=
=

friction material in it.

after assembly, check by wiggling wedges around, that they will not easil=
y =

fall out again.

any questions, yell, i might have an answer, or someone else on list.

sleddog>>
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:57:13 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

Sleddog wrote:
>
> ok, you can start sending the engine parts now ;]
>
> sleddog

> >oh, one more thing, you'd have to put in my cobra kit car i wanna build in
> >the next couple of years- before i am too "afraid" to drive it!
>
> I'll be glad to fabricate the frame for you. Should be no problem!!
> You build my engine/ I buy parts/ I fabricate your snakey litlle kit car

Stu: If you need a motor for you cobra kit car, I have a dual quad
medium riser sideoiler just about ready to go. I should get the block
back from the machine shop in a few weeks. Just need to paint it a bolt
it together.

FE's Rule!!
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:58:25 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave, Dale, and Ryan

From: Dean
>Looks as though the emmisions question on 78 Fords will continue. I
thank
>you all for your in puts. I read the messages everyday but I must
confess
>my technical knowledge is limited. I will write more once we arrive in
>California.

I hope this isn't to late but where in California are you heading? I'm
in the city of Ontario. It's about 50 miles east of LA. If your coming
to Southern California and need some help, drop me a line.
Later!

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:28:24 -0500
From: Mike Warren
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Instrument Panel Rewired - but a new problem

When I rewired the dash (created diagram from truck in salvage yard) I
blew the little 3 prong thing. I am not really sure what it does, except
it is needed for my fuel guage to work, and it may have affected my
signals as well.

Is this something that I can get at my local Auto Supply store or is it
a special order (and what is it called). I also noticed that my truck
was missing the temp guage and all but 1 bulb was burned out

Any suggestions

Thanks

Mike

P.S. I will be creating a wiring chart, as well as other notes that I
come up with
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:41:05 -0400
From: Bryce
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding Program

I just found this site today...
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/ftvin.cgi . It decodes VIN #'s,
transmission codes and front and rear axle codes. give it a shot to decode
your truck...

Bryce
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Bryce's 4xFord Ranger Page
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Tony Marino wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> Well people, I'm going to be about the ump-teenth million person to ask to
> have his VIN and engine numbers decoded!






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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:36:14 -0400
From: "Kristen Marcellus"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help - Need Wiring Diagram

Mike-

Send me your fax # and I'll send you the diagrams I've got.

Kristen (MrsSlix66 email.msn.com)
66 F100 - in the garage, the basement, the livingroom ... :)



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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:42:37 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1973 Grill Shell??

Hello, I have just finished swapping the body of my cousins 1974 F-250 4x4
over onto a 1979 F-350 4x4. I am looking for a good used outer grill shell
(the aluminum part) for it. I believe that the 1973-1977 grill shell is the
same...am I correct?? The body was stripped down to the bear metal and we
painted it School Bus Yellow. Yuck!!! My cousin likes it.....I don't!!! I
also swapped the 351M over to a 460 and it looks great!!! The only problem I
came across was that I had to remove 7/16" off the spacer between the
alternator and the block. No big deal though...I just chucked it up in my
lathe & faced it off. I fired it up open headers (the in chassis type) and my
cousin yelled "Its Alive....ALIVE!!". My neighbors just love me.... I can
feel the love in the air!! Well hope you can help me out!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:04:37 -0400
From: Forest New
Subject: FTE 61-79 - new engine

Hi all,
Just ran across a good deal! I found a 1960 thunderbird 352 police
Interceptor motor running in the T-Bird, the owner just backed it into a
ditch at 90 miles an hour. A few mods and a good tear down, and Ill finally
have a 350hp stock replacement for my trusty 360-2V in the 72 Truck. Picked
up the engine by doing a brake job on the guys Mazda. Everything was there
from the carb to pan! ( I always liked the old iron better than the newer
stuff!)
Forest
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:01:58 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

From: Ken Payne
>First, I have to help organize a California get together followed by
>the Canadian. Well, not really, I'm just going to start a list to
>help facilitate others organizing get-togethers. But first, I still
>have 27 items on my TO-DO list.

Wow! How did you get your list down to 27 items? I would like to
help with the California get together. Whom ever you get to volunteer to
head it up, I'll be more than happy to help them with the grunt work.
I'm no organizer so rather than be a disappointment, I'll be the
goof-off behind the scenes that gets blamed for everything. :)

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:38:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - switching out my distributor

Howdy!

Well I am ready to switch out the distributor in my 292. I bought
an Pertronix Ignitor conversion kit from CBS Performance Automotive so I
can get rid of the points system and I got a remaned distributor from my
friendly local NAPA. I was surprise how easy it was to install the kit in
the new distributor.
I have never switched out a distributor.....Is there anything that
I need to be careful about? I am just worried about screwing something
up. I read the Chiltons manual and it seemed pretty straight
forward....I am suppose to mark the position of the rotor and the position
of the distributor with respect to the block, remove the old the
distributor, drop in the new one, and set the timing. Does anyone know
at what degree the timing is suppose to be set at in a '63 292, the manual
said 6 degrees at 600 rpm?
Thanks in advance for the advice.
I am going to South Texas for about a week, as soon as I get
back I will be putting in the new "electronic" distributor in my truck
and I will let you all know how it goes.

Once again thanks,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
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Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:47:18 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post

From: Ken Payne
>Oh, get outta town quick. There's only room for one Deacon. Showdown!

Thank God! If I had to put up with 2 of me I'd go nuts. Wait, I am
nuts. I'd have no place to go! "/ \" I'd be trapped somewhere between
sanity and insanity, My God, I would be the worlds first person that was
mentally unsane!!! they would lock me up in an unsane asylum, put me in
a bent jacket!!! Wait, this isn't happening, It's all in my head.
Lizards can't talk. Lizards can't talk. Lizards can't talk. OK I'm
better now! :)

>Deacon, saw your post on carbs. I didn't know you had carb
>experience. Looks like I started a monsterous thread with
>my carb question. I'm almost as confused now as I was when
>I started! I'm probably going to go with the Edelbrock, it
>sounds like its the easiest to work with.

I wish Chris would get in on this. He sent me information on picking
a carburetor that was great. I don't want to step on his toes but he has
some good tips. He likes the Carter and has some good points to show
why. If Chris isn't on the list anymore I'll e-mail him (or you can) and....


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