RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 296

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RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer
RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Carbs/Adapters
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID
FTE 61-79 - Calling Ron Miller
FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post
FTE 61-79 - 1966 Ford F100 Prices & Service Specifications for Trucks.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post
FTE 61-79 - temporary garages
Re: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum Intake for 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - Jerky starts
Re: FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs
FTE 61-79 - Screw in cast iron "freeze" plugs
FTE 61-79 - Heater Line Routes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post
Re: FTE 61-79 - Screw in cast iron "freeze" plugs
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Carbs/Adapters
RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:05:07 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

you would most likely never notice the difference in having the plenum open
in the adapter. it will allow each cylinder to breath off of all 4
barrels, instead of only 2 and it increases the plenum volume each cyl.
"sees", but not by a substantial amount.

if anything, you would notice the motor pull a little harder and hang on a
little longer at the top. i got 500 extra rpm out of a 2" spacer (open) on
a 2 plane intake on my 460.

very doubtful you would ever notice a loss in the bottom end, or responce
from using an open spacer.

sleddog

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs
From: Jim Cron
>I have a Edelbrock Performer manifold and a Mr. Gasket adaptor
>but this adaptor is open so would have a gap from the plenum divider to
the
>carb base? Is there a closed style adaptor that would seal to the top
of
>the plenum divider, or did you leave it open?

The adapter your looking at Jim is for a single-plane manifold.
It may be possible to insert something into the adapter that would work
or just live with the fact your not getting the full benefits from the
dual-plane manifold.

Don't you just love how much I can say about something I know nothing
about! :)

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:26:56 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

Sleddog wrote:

> you would most likely never notice the difference in having the plenum open
> in the adapter. it will allow each cylinder to breath off of all 4
> barrels, instead of only 2 and it increases the plenum volume each cyl.
> "sees", but not by a substantial amount.
>
> if anything, you would notice the motor pull a little harder and hang on a
> little longer at the top. i got 500 extra rpm out of a 2" spacer (open) on
> a 2 plane intake on my 460.
>
> very doubtful you would ever notice a loss in the bottom end, or responce
> from using an open spacer.
>
> sleddog
>

FYI:

PAW shows an adapter in their catalog that has a divider built into it. I
suspect this is for those intakes with no divider at all.

Regards
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:35:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer

instead of only 2 and it increases the plenum volume each cyl.
>"sees", but not by a substantial amount.
>
>if anything, you would notice the motor pull a little harder and hang on a
>little longer at the top. i got 500 extra rpm out of a 2" spacer (open) on
>a 2 plane intake on my 460.
>
>very doubtful you would ever notice a loss in the bottom end, or responce
>from using an open spacer.
>

Sleddog, This is the kinda stuff only you and Jack Roush would stay awake at
night loosing sleep over. I am jealous of your abilities to figure this out
and I admire your tenacity and your desire to squeeze every ounce of power
from an engine. I realize daily I don't know nearly what I thought I knew!

Wanna build my engine this fall?
Stuuke GM!

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ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Carbs/Adapters
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:18:32 -0500

> >>adapter which has been called into question by a fellow list
> >>member (please tell me more about why it's detrimental, I really
> >>want more info)
>
> I thought it was Gary but wasn't sure. I am curious about the
> detrimental effect of this style adapter. I want the best working

I'm not sure what "style" you mean but ANY adapter is less efficient
than a manifold made to fit the carb with the exception of a simple
spacer plate to get more intake length if properly applied. We
talked about a spacer with either open plenum or holes to match the
carb and I said the open is good for an open plenum but the holy one
is better for a split plenum as it keeps the velocity up better for
better low/midrange torque. I don't call this an adapter.

I've put spread bores on home made (modified square bore plates)
adapters and they made the engine go around but I'm sure they could
be improved on. Adapters are just what the name implys, a way to fit
something that doesn't fit otherwise which is never as good as a
direct bolt up in any application but especially were air flow is
involved. Ask yourself how does the NASCAR restrictor plate work?
Even though it's fairly thin it restricts the air flow so the engine
> can't get the full use of the carb. If you adapt a spread bore to a
square bore OEM manifold with holes that match the original square
bore carb then you can't get any more air in than the openings will
allow anyway so the spread bore advantage is lost. Since you have
also introduced more gaskets and mating edges you have the potential
of disturbing the air flow even more. This is basically what I was
getting at.

The Carter thermo quad and Rochester have some advantages that make
them a good choice as a replacement even with an adapter I suppose
but it's even a better choice if you plan to upgrade the manifold
later as a continuing process of improving the engine. This agrees

with my policy of buying in a logical order so that you can build on
your investment without having to discard anything expensive as you
progress which also calls for some kind of a plan or strategy. Buy
the carb and "temporary" adapter and when you get the cash, go for
the manifold etc.. I only buy 78 trucks so I can keep a spare parts
> supply that doesn't get out of hand for instance. When I do my
engine I will fully prep the block, putting all my resources into a
solid bottom end, crank, rods and pistons and any machining or
reinforcing it may need including screw in cast iron "freeze" plugs
but may use stock cam and heads and even manifolds. Now I can "add"
to this without pulling the engine and progressively build the engine
> I always wanted on a shoe string.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:29:58 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID

At 11:42 PM 5/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>KEITH:
>
>THANKS, WONDER WHAT THE REST OF THE NUMBERS AND LETTERS MEAN, CAN'T FIND
IT IN
>THE MANUAL...
>
>
>THANKS AGAIN
>MIKE IN SEATTLE.

Take it easy Mike you don't have to shout.

I wonder if the parts department at your local Ford Dealer could shed some
light on this?

Later

Keith Srb herbie

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ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling Ron Miller

>Hello: For those people who would like an option to the Ford and
>Edlbrock aluminum 4bl intakes for the 390, I have scanned an image of
>the Ford Power Parts intake. If you email me privately, I can send the
>picture.

Didn't Ron Miller used to run FPP and sell an excellent FE low-riser intake?
If it's the same guy, he is the authority on FE stuff. I've read a lot about
his cars in the rags.(is he the same person as at Auto Krafters and a fellow
list member?)
Come on over to my Back Porch
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ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post

>>Dr. Demented, er um I mean, uh Deacon, I think Ballinger has it in for you,
>>He writes his own lyrics and day are betta
>>than some you quote and write! Oh my my!!
>>Deacon has some competition!!!!!

Ah jeezz here come 40 more stripes, thanks ALOT man.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:50:38 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Ford F100 Prices & Service Specifications for Trucks.

This is for anybody that has a 66 F-100.

I just purchased a Ford Salesman's 1966 Ford Prices Booklet. The booklet
contains Ford's Suggested retail prices for cars and lights trucks, the
F-100 is the only Truck model covered. I am assuming that these prices are
for the base models with no options, but I couldn't find anything in the
booklet that would say for sure. This booklet looks like it came directly
from Ford. The Prices are effective as of January 1, 1966.

F-100 115 inch Wheelbase
Pickup-Flareside $ 2068.74
Pickup-Styleside $ 2084.49

F-100 129 Inch Wheelbase
Pickup-Flareside $ 2105.24
Pickup-Styleside $ 2120.74

F-100 115 inch Wheelbase 4- Wheel Drive
Pickup-Flareside $ 2786.74
Pickup-Styleside $ 2802.49

F-100 129 Inch Wheelbase
Pickup-Flareside $ 2826.99
Pickup-Styleside $ 2842.74

I also bought a 1966 Ford Service Specifications for Trucks book that
covers all of the 1966 Ford Trucks. This book lists all kinds of service
information. If anybody would like to know something about the service
specifics of their 1966 Ford Truck email me privately with your question
and I will see if this book can answer it for your.

See Ya!

Keith Srb herbie

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:47:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post

At 12:22 PM 5/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Dr. Demented, er um I mean, uh Deacon, I think Ballinger has it in for you,
>>>He writes his own lyrics and day are betta
>>>than some you quote and write! Oh my my!!
>>>Deacon has some competition!!!!!
>
>Ah jeezz here come 40 more stripes, thanks ALOT man.

Always been known to be one who when "he" gets hauled out, it is usually....

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