61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 295



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Jerky starts
FTE 61-79 - Autolite spreadbore
Re: was FTE 61-79 - CUBA now Dana 21
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite spreadbore
Re: FTE 61-79 - new member
FTE 61-79 - transfercases 205/203
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite spreadbore
Re: was FTE 61-79 - CUBA now Dana 21
Re: was FTE 61-79 - CUBA now Dana 21
FTE 61-79 - Aluminum Intake for 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 transfer case problems - Thanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - new member
FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID
FTE 61-79 - 66 Dash Wiring Problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - 63' Front disks?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post
FTE 61-79 - Re: Carbs/Adapters
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post
Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite carbs

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:44:59 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Jerky starts

Bill writes: >>It seems like the engine just isn't connected to the
drivetrain at first then... jerk, and away it goes. No apparent noise.

The tranny is going into neutral - not the shift - the tranny. You may be
idled too slow, or the filter/pickup could be partially clogged. A
fluid/filter change might help. If this keeps up, look for far more
serious things to start to happen. You are losing fluid pressure and "that
ain't good". Pressure is what keeps an automatic alive and operational.

All JMHO.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:58:09 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Autolite spreadbore

Marko writes: >>Azie, I said tell me more! What's the bore sizes, do you
need a spreadbore manifold or is it a hybrid 1.08/1.12" model, what kinda
cars were they originally installed on, what cfm do they move, etc. etc.

I'll have to look. I don't remember my name very well sometimes, much less
anything else. I'll look this weekend and let you know all the specifics.
- - boresize - autolite # and FOMOCO # on tag (if it has one). You do need a
spreadbore manifold, but Gary once said that the FOMOCO spreadbore and the
rest of the worlds spreadbores use a different spreadbore pattern. I don't
know, but I can easily check since I have a few old Thermoquads laying
around for my MOPARs.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:02:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: was FTE 61-79 - CUBA now Dana 21

I'll check out what the prices are for the Havana's and
>>how many I can bring back with me or ship back to someone. I'll be back on
>>the list before then and let everyone know what's up. Yeah you to Stu. Ken
>>thanks alot for having me, I'll be back.

Sounds like the Terminator has been shipped off to Cuba. Good luck and stay
safe!!!
Knock Fidel around a little for me, that pinko beard wearin' commie...... :/

>
>Save some of those Havana's for me! No kidding. Tony, come back soon,
>and don't forget to check out the archives to see what you missed.

Ken, What are you doin' hornin' in on my Cuban cigars?????????
:) Reckon there will be enough to go around for the both of us??

New question for Transfer case people. My NP 435 / Dana 21 married trans
case is cleaned and ready to paint. When I yanked it out in February, It
was working perfectly.
What do I need to do to it to make it ready for the reinstall? It has only
82,000 miles on it and probably never saw 4 wheel drive but once or twice.
New front seal?
It is a little leaky there where the 4 bolts are attached to the input
shaft/case. Everything else seems to be great? I just hate to reinstall
and then have problems a few months down the road, a little preventative
maintenance goes along way!
Thanks fellers! BTW. it was starnge to see the yokes on the NP435 and Dana
21 were painted green, Transmission painted red. Very bizarre color
combination. The yoke on the rear axle was ford blue........yoke on front
axle black. I am striving for a considerable amount of stock originality
if you can confirm this I'd like to know.
>
Stu
Nuke GM!

visit my homepage at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
all summer long, still working on summer email!! I am trying, I hate to
think Ken will get my cigars and william Ballinger will have to take my
place fishin with Deacon.
:)

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:22:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite spreadbore

At 08:58 AM 5/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Marko writes: >>Azie, I said tell me more! What's the bore sizes, do you
>need a spreadbore manifold or is it a hybrid 1.08/1.12" model, what kinda
>cars were they originally installed on, what cfm do they move, etc. etc.
>
>I'll have to look. I don't remember my name very well sometimes, much less
>anything else. I'll look this weekend and let you know all the specifics.
>- boresize - autolite # and FOMOCO # on tag (if it has one). You do need a
>spreadbore manifold, but Gary once said that the FOMOCO spreadbore and the
>rest of the worlds spreadbores use a different spreadbore pattern. I don't
>know, but I can easily check since I have a few old Thermoquads laying
>around for my MOPARs.
>
Pony Carbs is building a spreadore from a 4100 Autolite. No spreadbore
manifold needed. They have the details on their website, don't have it off
hand. Apparently they are doing alot of reworking of the guts to get it to
perform like a spreadbore. I think they are about 280 bucks rebuilt Hot
tested and ready to slap on top of your favorite engine. This route would
save the spreadbore manifold costs. Just a thought.
Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:36:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new member

At 03:12 PM 5/20/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks, guys for the info on my '71 f-100. i'm new to the mailing list
>and i've been reading with interest the topics discussed here.
>
>So Stu, I was told you had some experience with Edelbrock intakes.

I have absolutely no experience with edlebroke stuff.
I think it may be Steve D. you are wanting to chat with re: this.

I have a D5TZ casting, iron low riser manifold and a C4 casting (1964) 4100
Autolite carb that are going on top of my 390 this fall. I like the
autolite carbs a whole bunch! Call me oldfashioned with the carbs........
sorry Azie. :) I am!!!!

>what's the story?
You are quite possibly misinformed? I'll bet that derned Deacon did it.
Rats on him!
>I'm looking for a replacement for the factory one on
>my 352.
Go to a junk yard and get a cast one and have it hot tanked and scrubbed up.
they flow
as well as the edlebrock intakes, they just weigh a little more, ok, a lot more.

>Great job on your website, by the way. Clean and well laid out.
Tony Marino did it. I just supplied the info. Go to Tony's link on my
site and check out his herd of Effies! He just got a new one this weekend
from Montana! A 70 model 4x4. I want him to share with the group but he's
still sleeping from being awake 45 hours straight. Kids today just aren';t
as tuff as they used to be!

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:41:51 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - transfercases 205/203

Mark & Evan write: >>I am going to try to find a divorced 205 and hope it
goes in without too many problems. Anybody know how it bolts in compared
to my 203? Will I need different mounting brackets, driveshafts, ect?

I don't know what vehicle you have so this may be illerevant.

I changed a '76 F150 from mated 203 to mated 205. I had to have lockouts
for the hubs - front & rear driveshafts - and a different adaptor from the
transmission to the transfercase and the shifter. Was a very straight
forward swap, but took a few days. If your current 203 is divorced, and you
are getting the 205 from a vehicle of the same classification(F150 to F150
or F250 to F250) then I would think it would be a straight forward
exchange, with driveshafts and hubs and shifter being the only other
changes.

I would not try a transfer case from Dodge or Chevy. I think during those
years their front drive shafts were on the passenger side. Not sure of
this.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:43:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post

>Stu, you just can't leave to me to this fate... I've never had the memory of
>a thigh rolled cigar to carry me through.

Quite a vivid and lasting memory! Nuf said!
(Ken, you a cigar lover? I had no idea you liked dog rockets too!)

> cause when Dr Demented breaks me, he'll
>start on you guys next.
>
Dr. Demented, er um I mean, uh Deacon, I think Ballinger has it in for you,
He writes his own lyrics and day are betta
than some you quote and write! Oh my my!!
Deacon has some competition!!!!!

>Stu, he 'da man
>He can take it better
>'Dan any body can
>yeah heay...
>
>You gonna tie me to dat whippin' post,
>You gonna have dat evil way,
>You gonna tie me to dat whippin' post,
>Fo' dat ugly debt I'm gonna pay,
>
>(screaming blues guitar solo)



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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 06:51:22 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Autolite spreadbore

Stu Varner wrote:

> At 08:58 AM 5/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >
> Pony Carbs is building a spreadore from a 4100 Autolite. No spreadbore
> manifold needed. They have the details on their website, don't have it off
> hand. Apparently they are doing alot of reworking of the guts to get it to
> perform like a spreadbore. I think they are about 280 bucks rebuilt Hot
> tested and ready to slap on top of your favorite engine. This route would
> save the spreadbore manifold costs. Just a thought.
> Stu
> Nuke GM!

Stu: What they are doing is squeezing the primary venturi down from 1.12" to
1.00" in effect giving smaller primary venturis and leaving the secondary's
alone.

Regards
John


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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:47:00 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: was FTE 61-79 - CUBA now Dana 21

> From: Stu Varner
> Subject: Re: was FTE 61-79 - CUBA now Dana 21

MANY

> What do I need to do to it to make it ready for the
> reinstall?
> New front seal?Everything else seems to be great? I just >hate to
reinstall and then have problems a few months down >the road, a little
preventative maintenance goes along way!

A total reseal I think for what you are doing to the truck is in order.
With this you can inspect internals. I would check for bearing condition at
the outputs at a minimum. Remove the inspection cover (do I have the
correct case here?) and do some runnout checks.


> BTW. it was starnge to see the yokes on the NP435 and Dana
> 21 were painted green, Transmission painted red. Very >bizarre color
> combination. The yoke on the rear axle was ford >blue........yoke on
front
> axle black. I am striving for a considerable amount of >stock
originality
> if you can confirm this I'd like to know.


I will do what I can to find the article I had saved about this very thing
in a Mustang Mag. Seems that one of Fords cost savings efforts was to use
leftover paint on any and all areas under the vehicle. depending on day,
shift, plant etc etc. you could have any number of colors on any number of
components in the chassis. This was a well documented article with back-up
being a '70 Stang with only 3000 miles on it and never outside the garage.
It was amazing the colors found in the chassis of just one car.


I sure hope you get something worked out for email, seems like America's
teachers should have WWW access at all times paid for by the school
systems. I mean you do more than use it for Ford Trucks right ???.... :)


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:04:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner....

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