61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 293



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - M-block heads?
FTE 61-79 - new member
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission woes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Transmission woes
RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 to 427
Re: FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage
FTE 61-79 - rear end ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - Foreigners
FTE 61-79 - 203 transfer case problems - Thanks
FTE 61-79 - '75 half doors or removable top?
FTE 61-79 - tailgate
FTE 61-79 - CUBA
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Community Service Opportunity
Re: FTE 61-79 - CUBA
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID
FTE 61-79 - ignorance confession
FTE 61-79 - edit those posts!
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: April archives
Re: FTE 61-79 - edit those posts!
Re: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help - Need Wiring Diagram
Re: FTE 61-79 - 428 to 427
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cleveland in a Unibody?
Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block heads?
Re: FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID
FTE 61-79 - 63' Front disks?
FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs
FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:46:24 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M-block heads?

>From: Marko Maryniak
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems
>
>snip
>
>guys can add your coupla cents' here and there. 400 heads
>are better than one!

Yo Marko:

I must agree with your assessment of Ford V8 cylinder heads, especially the
early model '71-'73 heads, as they seem to be cast better than the later
('77-'79) heads. OTOH, my 351M needs two heads, not just one!

Dave R. (smarta** M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:12:17 PDT
From: "ismael caraballo"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - new member

Thanks, guys for the info on my '71 f-100. i'm new to the mailing list
and i've been reading with interest the topics discussed here.

So Stu, I was told you had some experience with Edelbrock intakes.
what's the story? I'm looking for a replacement for the factory one on
my 352. Great job on your website, by the way. Clean and well laid out.

thanks,
ish

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:49:50 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission woes

I get it! Wedges...in the pan...like pie...right?!

Never mind.

FTC: Is the park switch on a 79 F250 integral with the motor or can it be
bought separately? My wipers won't shut off and I can't figure out if I
need a whole new motor or what. My Haynes manual ain't much help on the
subject.
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> From: jeff bogart
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission woes
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 9:44 AM
>
> I have a question for the transmission geniuses among us-
> This morning when I pulled the pan off of my transmission
> (c-6 I think), there were two wedges in the pan. My transmission
> does not shift into second, so I am guessing these are the intermediate
> bands. My question is- can I put these back in easily, and is it worth
> doing? If it is too much trouble, it will have to wait until I pull the
> motor
> this fall.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:44:14 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Transmission woes

the wedges are what hold and engage the second gear band. most likely the
band has broke or worn out. you will then need a new band, and if you do
get a HD one. i do not know if the band can be replaced in truck. the
wedges can easily with some fiddling be put back in. the adjuster on the
outside of the tranny (after putting them in) needs to be tightened to
10-15 in-lbs (yes, inch #) and then backed out 2-3 turns i think. even
with a worn band, reassembling the wedges, you could "limp" around, but i
don't recommend it except an emergency.

pull the valve body, and see if you can get the band out. if you can, try
to get a new one in (if the old one needs replacing) and you could be in
business. add new ATF as the old stuff will most likey have alot of band
friction material in it.

after assembly, check by wiggling wedges around, that they will not easily
fall out again.

any questions, yell, i might have an answer, or someone else on list.

sleddog

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From: jeff bogart[SMTP:jbogart stc.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 12:44 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission woes

I have a question for the transmission geniuses among us-
This morning when I pulled the pan off of my transmission
(c-6 I think), there were two wedges in the pan. My transmission
does not shift into second, so I am guessing these are the intermediate
bands. My question is- can I put these back in easily, and is it worth
doing? If it is too much trouble, it will have to wait until I pull the
motor
this fall.

Loved the Pigeon Forge show!!!!! I hope to at least be able to drive my
truck
there next year.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff Bogart jbogart stc.net
68 F100 Ranger Long bed

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:46:38 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 to 427

i think the 427 block also had "square" cylinder liners, instead of round. anyone??

sleddog

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From: BDIJXS[SMTP:BDIJXS aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 2:08 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428 to 427

Hey Tom,

The 427's were cast on a different line than the other FE's and were cast with
the bigger bores. If I remember from either Christ's or Ganahl's book, they
were machined to tighter tolerances had a different casting metal....in other
words, probably no way on boring out the 428....but, being an optimist, maybe
someone here will tell us I'm wrong....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:31:46 EDT
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage

will the sway braces fit a 72 F-100 ?

Mike in Seattle
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:45:15 EDT
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID

2nd request... does anyone know what this rear end is from..... and the ratios
?

WDM-AC 1JE
3 25 8 7 334A

ITS IN MY 72 F-100

MIKE IN SEATTLE
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:45:42 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Foreigners

At 10:54 AM 5/20/98 , you wrote:
>JOHN,
> What part of Texas do you happen to be in. Where I live I can be in
>another state in 15 minutes. a 2nd in an hour and another country in my
>65 F100 (theres the FTE required info) in 20 minutes. Care to guess
>where I live?

El Paso?

Mike

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:16:26 -0500
From: "Mike & Evan"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 203 transfer case problems - Thanks

Thank you for your help and advice!

I am going to try to find a divorced 205 and hope it goes in without too
many problems. Anybody know how it bolts in compared to my 203? Will I
need different mounting brackets, driveshafts, ect?

I have not taken the transfer case apart yet, but does anybody have an idea
what could be wrong? It was making a "clunk clunk" noise under heavy
4wheeling.

I would like to fix it, if it is simple for now and look for a 205. I hate
to see the truck set when it is so nice out.

I get really jealous when I see my roomate 4 wheeling in his '67 Bronco, I
want to be out there with him trying to outdo him!

Thanks for all your time and help!

Mike Vonhof
yasky netins.net



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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:31:09 -0500
From: "Mike & Evan"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '75 half doors or removable top?

Has anybody ever attempted a removable top on a '70's style pickup?

How about half doors for the same?

My roomate has a '67 Bronco and I envy the removable top. And the half
doors. I am thinking about finding some doors from the salvage yard and
attempt to make some half doors for the summer.

How about a removable top with a flange welded on, only visable from the
inside. It could be bolted on for the winter with some weather stripping.

I have a rust free '75 F-250 Highboy with a recently installed 460 and 35"
BFG Muds. The value of these trucks here in Iowa is crap! But I would'nt
want to ruin a great truck with a half-a__ torch job.

My truck is probably worth $2000 here, although I have at least $4000 in it
with the 460 swap. How about elsewhere?

Thanks!

Mike Vonhof
yasky netins.net

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:35:12 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tailgate

Forwarded for : "Dale and Donna Carmine"

>>last time I bought some they were about $3 apiece. When you replace one,
>>replace both of them
>
>NAPA has them for about 90 cents each. John, is right about changing both
>of them. I did just one, within a month I was back at the parts store to
>g*t another.
>
>later,
>dale c
>
>
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Date: Wed, 20 May 98 21:52:35 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CUBA

Hey, everybody. This Tony "Sgt William A Whited" in Cuba. I hate to
but I have to remove myself from the list till July when I finally can get my
computer shipped down here. My military e-mail account can't handle the
volume of traffic that comes across. I'll be back on in July. I had to
leave my baby at mom's in VA. Hopefully I'll be stateside once every 3
months to drive her. For everybody concerned I'll be taking a trip to Jamica
prop late Sept and I'll check out what the prices are for the Havana's and
how many I can bring back with me or ship back to someone. I'll be back on
the list before then and let everyone know what's up. Yeah you to Stu. Ken
thanks alot for having me, I'll be back. This list has been great. Thanks
ya'll. Tony
74 RANGER SUPER CAB "71 390"

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:11:04 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Community Service Opportunity

At the Pigeon Forge show, some of us discussed the idea of becoming involved in community activities. Well, here is our first opportunity to show our stuff. Please see the email we received below.

Ken is going to send Ms. Edsall some information on the history of the Ford truck. Anyone else who would like to participate, please send your mail directly to her, but be sure to mention that you are a list member so she will know where the mail is coming from.
Thanks in advance for your time.

Peggy Payne
Coadministrator, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

>Return-Path:
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>To:
>Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:57:56 -0400
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>
>
>
>My third grade class is studying big trucks and trucking for a project for
>our annual school wide reading week. Our theme is a "truckload of books".
>I am hoping that you can send us some information about Ford trucks that we
>could use. Anything that the children would find useful and interesting
>would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
>
>Virginia Edsall
>Lyme Central School
>Chaumont, New York 13622
>---------------------------------------
>The Edsall Family edsall 1000islands.net
>29031 Stony Point Road
>Cape Vincent, NY 13618
>
>
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:27:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - CUBA

At 09:52 PM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
> Hey, everybody. This Tony "Sgt William A Whited" in Cuba. I hate to
>but I have to remove myself from the list till July when I finally can get my
>computer shipped down here. My military e-mail account can't handle the
>volume of traffic that comes across. I'll be back on in July. I had to
>leave my baby at mom's in VA. Hopefully I'll be stateside once every 3
>months to drive her. For everybody concerned I'll be taking a trip to Jamica
>prop late Sept and I'll check out what the prices are for the Havana's and
>how many I can bring back with me or ship back to someone. I'll be back on
>the list before then and let everyone know what's up. Yeah you to Stu. Ken
>thanks alot for having me, I'll be back. This list has been great. Thanks
>ya'll. Tony
>74 RANGER SUPER CAB "71 390"
>

Save some of those Havana's for me! No kidding. Tony, come back soon,
and don't forget to check out the archives to see what you missed.

Later,
Ken

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:05:42 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID

At 07:45 PM 5/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>2nd request... does anyone know what this rear end is from..... and the
ratios
>?
>
>WDM-AC 1JE
>3 25 8 7 334A
>
>ITS IN MY 72 F-100
>
>MIKE IN SEATTLE

The tag off of my 66 F-100 reads as follows
WDM-J
3 50 6BA 311

The read end ratio is 3.50 to 1, so I am going to assume (I hate doing
this) that you have a 3.25 to 1 ratio.

That is the best I can do.

Hope it helps some



Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie/
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:39:14 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ignorance confession

> All truck M-block engines equipped w/ air pumps
>(which were apparently not all of them) mounted them in front of the right
>cylinder head and drove them from the alternator pulley.
>Dave R. (M-block devotee)

OK Dave......my '79 f-150, 351M, has the smog pump driven from the crank.
The motor was swapped in by the previous owner. Does that mean that my
engine is from a car?

later,
dale c

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:44:50 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - edit those posts!

When replying to long posts, please edit down to the info needed to make
your reply clear.
The long repeats with a "Me too" reply get tedious.

thanks,
dale c

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:53:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: April archives

April archives are now on the web site.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:02:44 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - edit those posts!

At 09:44 PM 5/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>When replying to long posts, please edit down to the info needed to make
>your reply clear.
>The long repeats with a "Me too" reply get tedious.
>
>thanks,
>dale c
>

Me too.


Actually, Dale is right on target. This list generates more mail
than all the other lists **combined**. 4 digests per day! We
need to be conscious of the load placed on the system and what large
emails do to our archives.

Little bit of trivia on these lines: in the last 15 months, FTE
has sent out over 30 million emails to list members! As you can
see, its not an insignificant amount. Doing a "snip" in appropriate
places in replies does wonders.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:01:57 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FW: Help - Need Wiring Diagram

a local repair shop has a computer system that can give a wiring diagram on
just about any vehicle.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:03:27 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 428 to 427

427 is a special run block,332-428 can not be bored out to 427
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:09:54 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cleveland in a Unibody?

i know a fellow that put a cleveland with a blower in a uni body,awsome truck
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:12:54 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block heads?

put a pair of pre72 351 c 2v heads on a 351-400m for a boost in compression
and
flow.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:13:59 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage

i'm not sure
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:42:18 EDT
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end ID

KEITH:

THANKS, WONDER WHAT THE REST OF THE NUMBERS AND LETTERS MEAN, CAN'T FIND IT IN
THE MANUAL...


THANKS AGAIN
MIKE IN SEATTLE.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:46:43 PDT
From: "Kevin Leone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 63' Front disks?

Does anyone know of a year of disks that are easy to adapt to a 63 f-100
2wd? It has the stock front axle, and I'd like to keep it bolt on
possible. I see kits for 50's fords all the time, but nothing that says
it's for 63's. Any info., or experience with this?
Kevin
63' F-100
Y-Blocks Rule!!


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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:19:00 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs

>Which motor is your rig running? It looks like it might be an FE, is
>it? It also looks liky you have an aluminum manifold, which one are you
>running? What sort of fuel mileage do you get out of this setup? I've
>seen the Mr Gasket spreadbore adapter and thought a junkyard Q-jet might
>be cheap to try and see if I like the setup.

It's an FE, most likely a 390 judging from the power it makes. It's set up
really loose(judging from the excessive blow-by) with forged pistons(judging
from the cold noise it makes and the reinforcement in the underside of the
pistons I saw when I had the pan down)It has an Edelbrock Performer with a
Q-jet, which I think is the ultimate street carb bar none, on a Mr Gasket
adapter which has been called into question by a fellow list member (please
tell me more about why it's detrimental, I really want more info) I have an
aftermarket cam of unknown specs, but it does lope a little. From my
experience if you stay out of it about 12 or 13 mpg is what I get, but, the
throttle responsiveness will tempt you too much. I did 9 mpg last week
because I hogged it at about every chance I got in the open. One caveat, all
Q-jets will vary from one you'll encounter to another. I have an '81 GMC 305
carb. It has an electric choke(a must have for Ford use, I can't help you on
kickdown as I've only ran this carb on a '68 Mustang 289 4-speed and this
truck)and for some reason has a larger float bowl volume than many I've
seen. If you are concerned about the displacement/application ratio, my
brother-in-law, the best Q-jet builder on earth, put the same application
carb on a 454 Ch*vy for a customer to rave reviews. I can't say enough good
about this carb, I've run it for about seven years on two widely different
engines with great results. You will want both a primary chocke pull-off and
a secondary vacuam pull-off unless you mind feathering the secondary
engagement a little. Q-jets without a seconary vacuam break will bog or spit
if suddenly stabbed depending on the air-valve setting. I plan to add one
when we put another kit in it. The secondary air-valve will adjust to pretty
close but the vacuam break will make it a no brainer engagemant. The primary
throttle response is unbelievable and is without a doubt the most calibrate
mixture I've ever seen.
Come on over to my Back Porch
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:18:58 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Whippin' Post

>You will get a computer and ISP at home or carry the guilt on your head!
>If you leave for even a week, Bill Ballinger has volunteered to take
>your place on the wiping post. So Bill, anything you'd like to say to
>Stu? Yes, I thought you would! :] Ha ha ha HA Ha ha HAAAA ha ha!!!

Stu, you just can't leave to me to this fate... I've never had the memory of
a thigh rolled cigar to carry me through. Please, an ISP is less than a
bottle of Glen Rowan a week, and I manage to do both :-\.. hic. Marko,....


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