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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 290



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb
FTE 61-79 - '68 Biody/ '95 frame
FTE 61-79 - 4bbl
Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Rang
Re: FTE 61-79 - f100's from griffin,ga
FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
Re: FTE 61-79 - Automatics and RTV (Was Great discoveries)
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
FTE 61-79 - tailgate
> FTE 61-79 - re: '67
brake drums
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Good-bye and see ya next fall
Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Holder

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:43:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

> From: "Dave Resch"
> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:05:38 -0600
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

> catalyst (although it does provide some minor non-catalyst HC
> reduction benefits), but using them on non-catalyst engines was
> probably just a convenience to simplify assembly line production.

I could be wrong (there's always a first time) but I can't see ford
putting relatively expensive parts on an engine just to fit their
fixtures or make the job consistant, trust me, they just don't do
that :-)

What they will do is use the dual pully alternators if they need to
finish a run or use a bracket that also allows for another peripheral
which isn't installed (and not in the plan) to get through the day if
that's the only one they have left in the plant but don't look for
smog pumps on engines that don't legally need them, trust me :-) A
more likely scenerio would be to change the planned production run to
exclude the pump if there is a legal configuration that doesn't need
it if they happen to run out or ship it to the dealer with out it and
have the dealer install it in a pinch.

My guess would be that you are much more likely to get one without a
pump that was supposed to have one because the dealer didn't follow
up on it. Ever get a truck or car with no shocks from the dealer?
(or an Expedition with no seats :-)) I've seen them ship cars from
the assy plants to the dealers with no shocks and have them installed
at the dealers because the parts plant couldn't keep up. We've
shipped shocks to assy plants as passengers on airlines to keep a
plant running and we've used helicopters to do the same thing.

BTW, Dave, you really are up on these baby's aren't you? :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:33:35 -0500
From: Forest New
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb

Thought I would add my opinion here.
Holleys are wonderful carbs and I have used them for street and race for 18
years but,..... They can be a real pain to work on and tune if you don't
have experience with them. Ive seen so many people buy one and slap it on
their vehicle and it runs well for a while then starts to decline, problem
is them they don't know how to go thru one or what to adjust to make the
carb run right.
Last year a fellow racer asked me to try a carter AFB carb on my
street/strip bracket racer saying that if I didn't like it he would buy it
from me. Not only did I like it, tuning was simple, the gaskets have never
leaked, I don't have to go thru it every six months, and to top it all off
I swear my 60 foot times have picked up a little.
Again, Im a holley person but, Carter has sure made me question that decesion.

Forest New
1972 Ranger XLT
1989 Ranger XLT
1969 Mustang Mach 1
1923 T-Bucket roadster

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:13:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb

> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:33:35 -0500
> From: Forest New
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb

> Holleys are wonderful carbs and I have used them for street and race
> for 18 years but,..... They can be a real pain to work on and tune

Holley's apparently flow very well which is one reason they are loved
by racers. They are also a bit cheaper than the others. The main
reason I don't like them aside from the leaks is the low/mid range
metering and difficulty in changing it without changing out expensive
metering blocks etc. and even then you still have a fussy power valve
that you have to vacuum test if you really want it to open at 10 and
5 etc..

> racer asked me to try a carter AFB carb on my street/strip bracket
> racer saying that if I didn't like it he would buy it from me. Not
> only did I like it, tuning was simple, the gaskets have never
> leaked, I don't have to go thru it every six months

The metering rod design removes all that problem and makes tuning
simple and low/mid range is much easier to control with metering rods
and atomization is better also due to the conical spray which is one
reason motorcycle engines which are small and need all the efficiency
they can get use VV carbs with metering rods. If we really wanted the
best of the best we'd all have VV carbs but they are such a pain to
keep tuned and much more expensive (remember ford tried them for a
while)................:-(

Anyone ever have the old SU's? Remember the oil filled vacuum
chamber and two mixture adjustments and the metering rod assortment
as well? Man! I could ear tune those to perfection and run that TR
till it floated but I had to do it about every 6 weeks or
so.......got 21 mpg at 100 mph too (as I recall) and 30 mpg at 50
with 4.11 gears. 100 mph was almost 6500 rpm (I still have dreams
about that car) :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:16:15 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '68 Biody/ '95 frame

John writes: >>Will a '68 body bolt up to an '85 frame? I just bought a
'68 F250 with a great body and now am seeing an '85 F350 4x4 rollover
victim for sale. Can I put the '68 body on the '85 frame without too much
trouble? Or is this a rat's nest I ought to stay away from? I seem to
remember reading that, I think in '73, the frame was widened and the
wheelbase lengthened, or something of the like. This might put an end to
the proceedings right there. But I am just in the dreaming stage right
now, so does anybody know? A '68 F350 4x4 with a diesel would be pretty
cool.


Not having either around to look over, and not knowing your expertise nor
your available time for the project I probably shouldn't comment, but I'm
going to anyway. I believe with enough time and desire anything can be
done. If you want it bad enough, then go for it. I wouldn't mind a
conversion similar to this myself. New holes can be drilled, and old holes
can be stuffed and sealed off. I would not let something like a wider
frame width stop me. You may have to have some Hybrid parts here and
there, but I'm willing to say it can be done with out a great deal of
having to "Make it fit" parts. I also think it would be a very neat truck.

Go for it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:28:33 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4bbl

Ken writes: >>Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
> to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
> the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
> or Holley?

I've had good luck with the Autolite carbs. Don't know that they are the
best, but they are fairly simple and easy to work on. I've got three of
them running now, all on 460's. One of them is a spreadbore, and the other
two are square bore, but all perform equally well. I've never tried to
check my mileage on any of them, because it is not important to me. I
figure I get around 8mpg, but that is mere speculation. If the kickdown
is your only concern, then D*dge has been running a Cable linkage setup
since '95 I know, and maybe longer than that. It has a bracket on the
tranny, and one on the Throttle body at each end of the cable. I'm sure a
set up like this could be adapted to your Ford Truck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:43:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Rang

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:43:28 -0400
> From: Bryce
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

> 1. What size tires were stock on this truck?... it has 15 inch

235 75 15 or H-15 in the old style. The 235's are about 29x7.5
(tread, not sure of cross section which is what the width numbers
refer to) Probably equivelant to a 9.0 so would be 29x9x15 or there
abouts.

You can fit 33's on it if you keep the width down but 12.5's are too
wide to work in the front and will rub the fenders in the back when
loaded. I'd guess you could put some 9.50x31's or maybe even
10.5x31's on it with no problems. The OEM (Cragar) style 5 slot mags
look really good on this truck. Mine are only 6" wide so limited to
the stock tire size :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:57:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - f100's from griffin,ga

At 11:07 PM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>two friends of mine were planning to attend the nats at the forge. one of them
>was a
>69 lwb,tubbed and lowered,390 with dual quads,it is turquoise color and
>primer,its still under construction ,its a pretty neat truck for a long wheel
> >base,oops,hope i didn't offend anyone.

Oh yes, I remeber that truck, I was in awe of that 2X4 setup on top of that
390!!!!
Oh MYYYY!!!!
Stu
Nuke GM!
>

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:05:13 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

(snip)

> 1. What size
tires were stock on this truck?... it has 15 inch
> wheels on it, but it has one size in from and one in back... I want to
>put original size or at least the same height and wider tires on it.
>
Hard to say without some other info - what wheels are on it? Are they
regular wheels with hubcaps, white wagons, or aluminum?

> 2. It has the Ranger package... what did that include in '78? My
>father-in-law also said it had the Explorer package... is this possible
>with the Ranger package? how can I tell for sure (it has Ranger emblems,
>but not Explorer emblems)? What did the Explorer package come with?
>
Orange stripes? Where are they located? This sounds like a "Free
Wheeling" Package more than an Explorer. I can't remember what the
Explorer stripes looked like in '78. You could get the Ranger package on
an Explorer truck, but the "Explorer" badging took precedence. It usually
say "Ranger" on the cowl panel but "Explorer" anywhere else. Does the dash
have orange trim? What about the seats? If so, it's a "Free Wheeling"
truck, not an Explorer. Also those trucks came with a special steering
wheel with metal spokes.

> 3. If I do get it repainted, where can I get the replacement stripes
>for it... it is black with two tone orange stripes (any other colors
>available... maybe red or burgundy to match the interior)?
>
Probably only from Ford if you can find them. Otherwise you will have to
search the NOS folks for them.

> 4. Where can I get info on the VINE and codes in the door?
>finally...
>
Don't know - my Red Book only goes up to '77 but I could guess from that if
you give me the VIN.

> 5. Was the AM/FM/CB radio a factory item or a dealer installed?
>
>
Yes.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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