Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb
FTE 61-79 - '68 Biody/ '95 frame
FTE 61-79 - 4bbl
Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Rang
Re: FTE 61-79 - f100's from griffin,ga
FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
Re: FTE 61-79 - Automatics and RTV (Was Great discoveries)
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
FTE 61-79 - tailgate
FTE 61-79 - re: '67 brake drums
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Good-bye and see ya next fall
Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Holder

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:43:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

> From: "Dave Resch"
> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:05:38 -0600
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

> catalyst (although it does provide some minor non-catalyst HC
> reduction benefits), but using them on non-catalyst engines was
> probably just a convenience to simplify assembly line production.

I could be wrong (there's always a first time) but I can't see ford
putting relatively expensive parts on an engine just to fit their
fixtures or make the job consistant, trust me, they just don't do
that :-)

What they will do is use the dual pully alternators if they need to
finish a run or use a bracket that also allows for another peripheral
which isn't installed (and not in the plan) to get through the day if
that's the only one they have left in the plant but don't look for
smog pumps on engines that don't legally need them, trust me :-) A
more likely scenerio would be to change the planned production run to
exclude the pump if there is a legal configuration that doesn't need
it if they happen to run out or ship it to the dealer with out it and
have the dealer install it in a pinch.

My guess would be that you are much more likely to get one without a
pump that was supposed to have one because the dealer didn't follow
up on it. Ever get a truck or car with no shocks from the dealer?
(or an Expedition with no seats :-)) I've seen them ship cars from
the assy plants to the dealers with no shocks and have them installed
at the dealers because the parts plant couldn't keep up. We've
shipped shocks to assy plants as passengers on airlines to keep a
plant running and we've used helicopters to do the same thing.

BTW, Dave, you really are up on these baby's aren't you? :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:33:35 -0500
From: Forest New
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb

Thought I would add my opinion here.
Holleys are wonderful carbs and I have used them for street and race for 18
years but,..... They can be a real pain to work on and tune if you don't
have experience with them. Ive seen so many people buy one and slap it on
their vehicle and it runs well for a while then starts to decline, problem
is them they don't know how to go thru one or what to adjust to make the
carb run right.
Last year a fellow racer asked me to try a carter AFB carb on my
street/strip bracket racer saying that if I didn't like it he would buy it
from me. Not only did I like it, tuning was simple, the gaskets have never
leaked, I don't have to go thru it every six months, and to top it all off
I swear my 60 foot times have picked up a little.
Again, Im a holley person but, Carter has sure made me question that decesion.

Forest New
1972 Ranger XLT
1989 Ranger XLT
1969 Mustang Mach 1
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:13:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb

> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:33:35 -0500
> From: Forest New
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 4 barrel carb

> Holleys are wonderful carbs and I have used them for street and race
> for 18 years but,..... They can be a real pain to work on and tune

Holley's apparently flow very well which is one reason they are loved
by racers. They are also a bit cheaper than the others. The main
reason I don't like them aside from the leaks is the low/mid range
metering and difficulty in changing it without changing out expensive
metering blocks etc. and even then you still have a fussy power valve
that you have to vacuum test if you really want it to open at 10 and
5 etc..

> racer asked me to try a carter AFB carb on my street/strip bracket
> racer saying that if I didn't like it he would buy it from me. Not
> only did I like it, tuning was simple, the gaskets have never
> leaked, I don't have to go thru it every six months

The metering rod design removes all that problem and makes tuning
simple and low/mid range is much easier to control with metering rods
and atomization is better also due to the conical spray which is one
reason motorcycle engines which are small and need all the efficiency
they can get use VV carbs with metering rods. If we really wanted the
best of the best we'd all have VV carbs but they are such a pain to
keep tuned and much more expensive (remember ford tried them for a
while)................:-(

Anyone ever have the old SU's? Remember the oil filled vacuum
chamber and two mixture adjustments and the metering rod assortment
as well? Man! I could ear tune those to perfection and run that TR
till it floated but I had to do it about every 6 weeks or
so.......got 21 mpg at 100 mph too (as I recall) and 30 mpg at 50
with 4.11 gears. 100 mph was almost 6500 rpm (I still have dreams
about that car) :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - '68 Biody/ '95 frame

John writes: >>Will a '68 body bolt up to an '85 frame? I just bought a
'68 F250 with a great body and now am seeing an '85 F350 4x4 rollover
victim for sale. Can I put the '68 body on the '85 frame without too much
trouble? Or is this a rat's nest I ought to stay away from? I seem to
remember reading that, I think in '73, the frame was widened and the
wheelbase lengthened, or something of the like. This might put an end to
the proceedings right there. But I am just in the dreaming stage right
now, so does anybody know? A '68 F350 4x4 with a diesel would be pretty
cool.

Not having either around to look over, and not knowing your expertise nor
your available time for the project I probably shouldn't comment, but I'm
going to anyway. I believe with enough time and desire anything can be
done. If you want it bad enough, then go for it. I wouldn't mind a
conversion similar to this myself. New holes can be drilled, and old holes
can be stuffed and sealed off. I would not let something like a wider
frame width stop me. You may have to have some Hybrid parts here and
there, but I'm willing to say it can be done with out a great deal of
having to "Make it fit" parts. I also think it would be a very neat truck.

Go for it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4bbl

Ken writes: >>Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
> to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
> the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
> or Holley?

I've had good luck with the Autolite carbs. Don't know that they are the
best, but they are fairly simple and easy to work on. I've got three of
them running now, all on 460's. One of them is a spreadbore, and the other
two are square bore, but all perform equally well. I've never tried to
check my mileage on any of them, because it is not important to me. I
figure I get around 8mpg, but that is mere speculation. If the kickdown
is your only concern, then D*dge has been running a Cable linkage setup
since '95 I know, and maybe longer than that. It has a bracket on the
tranny, and one on the Throttle body at each end of the cable. I'm sure a
set up like this could be adapted to your Ford Truck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:57:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - f100's from griffin,ga

At 11:07 PM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>two friends of mine were planning to attend the nats at the forge. one of them
>was a
>69 lwb,tubbed and lowered,390 with dual quads,it is turquoise color and
>primer,its still under construction ,its a pretty neat truck for a long wheel
>base,oops,hope i didn't offend anyone.

Oh yes, I remeber that truck, I was in awe of that 2X4 setup on top of that
390!!!!
Oh MYYYY!!!!
Stu
Nuke GM!
>

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:05:13 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

(snip)

> 1. What size tires were stock on this truck?... it has 15 inch
>wheels on it, but it has one size in from and one in back... I want to
>put original size or at least the same height and wider tires on it.
>
Hard to say without some other info - what wheels are on it? Are they
regular wheels with hubcaps, white wagons, or aluminum?

> 2. It has the Ranger package... what did that include in '78? My
>father-in-law also said it had the Explorer package... is this possible
>with the Ranger package? how can I tell for sure (it has Ranger emblems,
>but not Explorer emblems)? What did the Explorer package come with?
>
Orange stripes? Where are they located? This sounds like a "Free
Wheeling" Package more than an Explorer. I can't remember what the
Explorer stripes looked like in '78. You could get the Ranger package on
an Explorer truck, but the "Explorer" badging took precedence. It usually
say "Ranger" on the cowl panel but "Explorer" anywhere else. Does the dash
have orange trim? What about the seats? If so, it's a "Free Wheeling"
truck, not an Explorer. Also those trucks came with a special steering
wheel with metal spokes.

> 3. If I do get it repainted, where can I get the replacement stripes
>for it... it is black with two tone orange stripes (any other colors
>available... maybe red or burgundy to match the interior)?
>
Probably only from Ford if you can find them. Otherwise you will have to
search the NOS folks for them.

> 4. Where can I get info on the VINE and codes in the door?
>finally...
>
Don't know - my Red Book only goes up to '77 but I could guess from that if
you give me the VIN.

> 5. Was the AM/FM/CB radio a factory item or a dealer installed?
>
>
Yes.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - EGR

Dale & Donna write: >>Or do non-egr manifolds still have the exhaust
crossover without the provision for the egr plumbing?

That is correct. the crossover is there, bit the EGR isn't.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:07:12 -0700
From: Shannon McNeal
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

VIN numbers are on the internet at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/8824/truckid.htm

I am not sure if it covers '78 F100s.

This may be the easiest way to find out about your truck, assuming that
it still has the original engine and all. I am still trying to get
around to cleaning my engine to find the codes on it to see if it is the
original one.

good luck!

Shannon
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:24:46 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Automatics and RTV (Was Great discoveries)

Thanks for your message at 07:18 PM 5/19/98 -0700, Pat Brown. Your message
was:
>> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:57:10 -0500
>> From: "John LaGrone"
>> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Great discoveries
>
>
>I Love RTV! I use it (almost) everywhere! In fact, I'd like to take
>my intake off (FE 360) and put it on right using RTV so I don't have
>an oil slick down the front of my motor . . But, at 135k miles, I'd
>probably end up doing valves, then while I'm at it, I'm gonna do etc ..
>etc ...
>
>There are some places, however, that I just don't recommend using
>it,

Hear about the guy who didn't know the difference between RTV and Vaseline?

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR

am14

chrysler.com wrote:
>
> Dale & Donna write: >>Or do non-egr manifolds still have the exhaust
> crossover without the provision for the egr plumbing?
>
> That is correct. the crossover is there, bit the EGR isn't.
>

Is that right?? They charge a h*ll of a lot more money for the EGR man
than the non-EGR. If crossover is there, couldn't you just tap it for
the EGR and save a 100$ or so on the manifold. I gues aprt of teh extra
cost is the EGR outlet plate .

OX
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:38:51 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tailgate

Miguel,
You can buy the little plastic retainers from your Ford dealer. I think the
last time I bought some they were about $3 apiece. When you replace one,
replace both of them. They slide over the rod end and then snap onto the
rod. You may have see similar clips on carb linkage. Be careful and don't
drop the new ones inside the tailgate.

- -John

jmlagron

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1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: roger kubler
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: '67 brake drums

Check out these guys......they might be able to help. They have truck
parts for '32 -'79....www.dennis-carpenter.com

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Roger Kubler

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:47:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Good-bye and see ya next fall

>
>BUT STU! Who will keep the GM lovers in line?
You mean there are people on the list who like Generic Motors???
Who are they????????????????

Maybe we should pass
>the plate to keep you online, or at the least nominate Deacon to
>keep your tagline in his .sig. Have a good summer, and keep on
>NUKIN' GM !

I hate I cannot be online. believe me, It will kill me to be at home
working on my truck knowing everyone in FTE land is having a good time,
smokin' cuban cigars hand rolled on the thighs of Cuban women that someone
sent from Canada, originally intended for me, But since I am not there to
enjoy them you gave them all away!

I am looking into Web tv (Thanks Randy in WV) I may be back sooner than I
thought.
I can handle 200 better than 1800-2000.
I did not sell enough A's this spring to cover it.

What do you say Deacon? Want to handle all the Nukes in this country.
(That's a scary thought, Deacon in charge of all the Nuclear weapons on the
list!!!)
I mean, you have the baby whales and I have Generic Motors, but soon I'll
add all Pacific Rim manufacturers including but not limited to: Nissan,
Toyota, Kia, Hyunda, Honda, Lexus, Subraru (the 4 wheel drive wanna be
company) well, you get the idea!!!

Step up to the plate Deacon!!!!!

STU
Nuke GM!

Been thinking about NUKE GM for a vanity plate when I get the old girl on
the road again! Too much??

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:50:51 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

John Strauss wrote:
>
> (snip)

> have orange trim? What about the seats? If so, it's a "Free Wheeling"
> truck, not an Explorer. Also those trucks came with a special steering
> wheel with metal spokes.

Does anyone know where I can get one of those steering wheels? I passed
a couple of them
up last year at a swap meet, but I've been looking all over for them
this year and can't find
anyone who has one. Anyone have one for sale?

-Mike
'78 Bronco Custom
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:15:44 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?

Hey,

All this talk of catalysts has me wondering...
MY '79 F-250 4x4 had a 429 4bbl and dual exhaust in it when
I bought it- obviously not original. Original engine appears

to have been a 351M.
Due to some wonderful new legislation in our state (Ohio),
they've decided to start testing anything 25 yrs. old or
newer. Used to be that if it was pre-1980, they didn't test
it, so I haven't had to worry about it, but my question is:
Does anybody have any idea what year they would've started
using cats in F-250's?

Thanks,

Sean
My other Ford is a Willys.

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and they _are_ out to get you."
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:36:44 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?

Sean R. Kerns wrote:

> Hey,
>
> All this talk of catalysts has me wondering...
> MY '79 F-250 4x4 had a 429 4bbl and dual exhaust in it when
> I bought it- obviously not original. Original engine appears
>
> to have been a 351M.
> Due to some wonderful new legislation in our state (Ohio),
> they've decided to start testing anything 25 yrs. old or
> newer. Used to be that if it was pre-1980, they didn't test
> it, so I haven't had to worry about it, but my question is:
> Does anybody have any idea what year they would've started
> using cats in F-250's?

Sean: Pretty sure it was 1979. My 78 didn't come with any smog cats or
smog pump, just the EGR and thermovac stuff for the air cleaner.

Regards:
John
78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:36:16 -0400
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR

> > Dale & Donna write: >>Or do non-egr manifolds still have the
> > exhaust crossover without the provision for the egr plumbing?
> >
> > That is correct. the crossover is there, bit the EGR isn't.

I haven't inspected one but I suspect that there is no cross over
either since one of the reasons we buy these is to get a cold intake.
This also reduces the cost quite a bit. The EGR part is just a
drilled hole and slightly different carb base which wouldn't effect
the cost very much.

When we make a cold manifold we don't just plug the EGR, we cover the
crossovers too, right? Ok, this is just my theory so if you've
actually looked at one, please accept my humble appologys :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:01:55 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?

My 79 F250 4X4 has a 400 and was originally built with cats. I just ran it
thru the sniffer last december and it passed with flying colors even tho
the guy I bought it from took the cats off.

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> From: Sean R. Kerns
> To: 61-79-list

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - What year for cats in an F-250 4x4?
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 7:15 AM
>
> Hey,
>
> All this talk of catalysts has me wondering...
> MY '79 F-250 4x4 had a 429 4bbl and dual exhaust in it when
> I bought it- obviously not original. Original engine appears
>
> to have been a 351M.
> Due to some wonderful new legislation in our state (Ohio),
> they've decided to start testing anything 25 yrs. old or
> newer. Used to be that if it was pre-1980, they didn't test
> it, so I haven't had to worry about it, but my question is:
> Does anybody have any idea what year they would've started
> using cats in F-250's?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
> My other Ford is a Willys.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:00:06 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Holder

>Stu what do you need a spare tire holder for now.

Geez Gary, i am a pack rat!!!! I have 3 2100 carbs, 3 sets of 71 grille
inserts (very hard top find might I add, lots and lots of other goodies
because you never know when someone is born with a shaft in their ____ and
they are the people who buy those 60,000 dollar Mercedes/BMW euro boxes and
cut you off on the interstate and bend you precious Effie sheet metal!
Besides, I don't want to go looking for one in 5 months when I put it back
together!

Your truck is fixin
>to be in a whole bunch of pieces....

Has been in 1001 pieces since January, we start reassembly this summer in
July when I get her back from the paint shop.
>
>If anyone happens to have a spare tire holder lying around and you....

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