61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 287



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
FTE 61-79 - Frame Compatibility
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Another list vote
FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Frame Compatibility
FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Rack
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Rack
Re: FTE 61-79 - Good-bye and see ya next fall
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
FTE 61-79 - Tire Shopping
FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:48:13 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Just picked up a medium riser 4 bbl intake for my
> FE V8 at the F100 Supernationals.
>
> Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
> to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
> the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
> or Holley?
>
> -Ken
>
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Try it out and see if it works for you...if you don't like change back.
Chris
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:48:23 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

At 03:48 PM 5/19/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Ken Payne wrote:
>>
>> Just picked up a medium riser 4 bbl intake for my
>> FE V8 at the F100 Supernationals.
>>
>> Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
>> to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
>> the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
>> or Holley?
>>
>> -Ken
>>
>
>Try it out and see if it works for you...if you don't like change back.
>Chris

I currently don't have a 4bbl to try. I bought an intake but I
haven't purchased the carb yet. BTW, anyone want a recently
rebuilt 2150 carb cheap?

Ken


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:51:56 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Frame Compatibility

Will a '68 body bolt up to an '85 frame? I just bought a '68 F250 with a
great body and now am seeing an '85 F350 4x4 rollover victim for sale. Can
I put the '68 body on the '85 frame without too much trouble? Or is this a
rat's nest I ought to stay away from? I seem to remember reading that, I
think in '73, the frame was widened and the wheelbase lengthened, or
something of the like. This might put an end to the proceedings right
there. But I am just in the dreaming stage right now, so does anybody
know? A '68 F350 4x4 with a diesel would be pretty cool.
_
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:10:00 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:29:55 -0700
> From: John MacNamara
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> For whatever it's worth, awhile back I bought a 4100 autolite
> carburetor which I think I will like better than my Holley, and
> recently found a list member with a Offenhauser 360 degree dual
> plane manifold. I also am in the process of buying a set of 429
> Police Interceptor heads which have the small 429 cobustion
> chambers, small runners for low end torque and larger than stock
> intake and exhaust valves. Next winter, after I smog it, I'm going
> to pull the motor and install the heads, intake and carb.


Sounds pretty cool! Is the Offy the one they have in the PAW catalog
with a separate plane for the secondaries?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:18:38 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems

It sounds like the chain is worn out. I had the same problem with 3 203's
(adventures in chevy ownership, Trust me it wont happen again!!!) just before I
grenaded them... If at all possible
find a 205 (cheaper in the long run)...

Mike & Evan wrote:

> Hi all, I need some advice from you.
> While 4-wheeling in the mud on Sat. my full time 203 transfer case began to
> make some really nasty noises. If I was gentle in 4wd there were no noises,
> but if I gave it some gas and started to work the truck it made a “clunk
> clunk” noise. Both in forward and reverse but only in 4wd.
>
> I also found out that it would not stay in 4 low, it kept popping out of 4wd
> low. But in 4 high it stayed in gear but made the clunk noise. It made the
> “clunk clunk” noise in 4 low and 4 high.
>
> Just a while back I installed a Mile Marker 203 conversion kit with hubs.
> This is the first time I really used the 4wd hard since I installed it. I
> did notice the same noise before a little bit, but only under HARD
> acceleration and not only in 4wd.
>
> My questions are: Any idea what could be wrong? Is the chain slipping a
> cog?
> Is a 203 worth repairing or should I find a 205?
> How hard is it to find a divorced 205? Or a 203 for repairs.
> How hard is it to convert to a divorced 205?
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Mike Vonhof
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:18:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Another list vote

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:11:04 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Another list vote

> As requested several times over the last few months, a vote
> to start a performance oriented list has been added to the
> voting center on the web site. This list would be for

Dang! Now I'll have to be on 3 lists! :-) Wonder how much
redundancy there will be? How can you be a truck enthusiast without
performance becoming an important issue? I suppose it may be a forum
for all lists to come together in a sense tho for a good cause :-)
Probably get a bunch of bronco guys on there too. I see OX is on
this list now along with several other bronco guys.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:22:23 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems

My first car was a 55 chev with a 425 horse 409 in it. Well, needless to
say, with all the power this thing put out, I knocked out a lot of rear
ends. Also got pretty good at replacing them too! Anyway, the chevy used
a removable 3rd member, similar to a Ford 9". The trick my Dad showed me
for getting the axles out was this. Get all your bolts unhooked, find a
nice stout log chain about 10 feet long and attach one end to the axle
using one or more of the wheel studs, then give the chain a good snap!
Be prepared, the axle may pop out pretty quick.

HELP! I have a 1979 Ford F 100 pickup. My fiance is trying to get
the drums
> on the rear wheels off, and he can't seem to do it. Everyone we
have talked to
> said to "beat" them off with a hammer. ? Also, what is the right
way to get
> the rear wheel axles out?

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:32:34 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Frame Compatibility

At 02:51 PM 5/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Will a '68 body bolt up to an '85 frame? I just bought a '68 F250 with a
>great body and now am seeing an '85 F350 4x4 rollover victim for sale. Can
>I put the '68 body on the '85 frame without too much trouble? Or is this a
>rat's nest I ought to stay away from? I seem to remember reading that, I
>think in '73, the frame was widened and the wheelbase lengthened, or
>something of the like. This might put an end to the proceedings right
>there. But I am just in the dreaming stage right now, so does anybody
>know? A '68 F350 4x4 with a diesel would be pretty cool.
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!
>

In Pigeon Forge there was a 50's vintage truck that had been made into a
crew cab and placed on an F-350 Chassis. This guy even took the interior
out of the F-350 and used in the 50's vintage truck. It was cool seeing a
50's vintage crew cab dually with the power stroke diesel go by in the parade.


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1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box Style Side.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:25:48 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

>As I keep saying, if you have to change your manifold and economy is
>important as well as decent performance then why not go for the best
>combination ever invented and get the Rochester and Offy setup?
>
I second Gary's motion - the Quadrajet cannot be beat for economy and
relibility. Damn shame GM thought of it. :-) As for the kickdown lever,
on my '64 292 the linkage for that is attached to the manifold, not the
carb. It does not need an extra lever on the carb. I wonder if that sort
of setup could be adapted to a later engine to eliminate this problem?
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:28:46 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

Depends on the use, best setup for a 4x4 is either a rochester quadrajet (a
pain to setup,but will run on it's side & is fairly inexpensive) or a holly
4DI system (pricy but tuneable beyond reason,
plus It's TBI so it'll work upside down).. For a 2wd street truck I would
recomend the same 2
setups, as the quadrajet has relativly small primaries (better mileage) and
huge secondaries (better
acceleration) , and the holley 4DI has smooth accelleration & excellent
mileage (depending on how you program it)...
Good luck... (the kickdown brackets/linkages aren't very hard to make/find)

Ken Payne wrote:

> Just picked up a medium riser 4 bbl intake for my
> FE V8 at the F100 Supernationals.
>
> Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
> to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
> the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
> or Holley?
>
> -Ken
>
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:33:07 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

Hey Ken,

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I had nothing but problems with Holley's from
Day One about 18 years ago. Last year, I put on the Edelbrock 600, and all
the midrange problems finally disappeared, plus tuning the thing is a whole
lot easier....

I picked up one of those Edelbrock carb adjusting setups (with oxygen sensor),
now just need to spend the time getting it dialed in just right, but out of
the box it worked great. I also put in the spring-loaded float needle did a
little adjusting for the Colorado altitude. One cool thing is the literature
supplied with these carbs gives a real good background and easy-to-use charts
for figuring out the main jet and rod sizes....

Let us know which way you decide to go.

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:45:58 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:25:48 -0500
> From: John Strauss
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> kickdown lever, on my '64 292 the linkage for that is attached to
> the manifold, not the carb. It does not need an extra lever on the
> carb. I wonder if that sort of setup could be adapted to a later
> engine to eliminate this problem?

This just prompted me to actually think about this.........Of course
you can! All it is is a lever that pivots with a spring return and
is pushed by the carb linkage. It doesn't have to be fancy or tight
or even precise, it just needs to be in the way of the carb linkage
when it's moved toward WOT so it gets moved too.

You can bolt something like this to the rear carb lug or with a
little ingenuity you could probably hook it directly to the carb
lever but down near the fulcrum so it moves slowly and allows for
full movement of the carb lever without interferance........

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:51:56 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:

> > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:29:55 -0700
> > From: John MacNamara
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
>
>
> Sounds pretty cool! Is the Offy the one they have in the PAW catalog
> with a separate plane for the secondaries?

Yes, I emailed him a scan of that very page and made sure that was the
one. he said it was and i bought it for $100.

I've been looking for one of these intakes for about 6 months and the old
list came through again. I also found the heads in the classifed section
of the list and the carb also came for alist member.

Once again, kudos to Ken and Peggy on a great job. I bet they never
thought the list could turn into a "swap meet" too.

Thanks again

John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500

>



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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:50:25 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Rack

Stu,

are you still looking for the spare tire rack that mounts under the fuel
tank? If you need one just give me an address to send it to and you can have
this one, I hate the things and always pull them off anyway.

Stoney

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:56:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

- -snip-
>
>This just prompted me to actually think about this.........Of course
>you can! All it is is a lever that pivots with a spring return and
>is pushed by the carb linkage. It doesn't have to be fancy or tight
>or even precise, it just needs to be in the way of the carb linkage
>when it's moved toward WOT so it gets moved too.
>
>You can bolt something like this to the rear carb lug or with a
>little ingenuity you could probably hook it directly to the carb
>lever but down near the fulcrum so it moves slowly and allows for
>full movement of the carb lever without interferance........

If possible, I want something similiar to the 2150, which has
the kick-down hooked up to the carb on an adjustable arm that
is pushed by the throttle linkage.

Ken



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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:57:36 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

From: Ken Payne
>Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
>to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
>the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
>or Holley?

Get with Chris Samuel for carbs. I like the Q-jets myself but have
nothing to put one on. :( Chris would know the perfect carb you would
need. You may not be able to pry a flow bench out of his hands but he
lets go with advice pretty freely. :)

Bones, can't you just let things die!

Damn it Jim, I'm a Doctor! I can't let things die.

That is not logical Dr. McCoy - ^ Everything dies!

Damn it Spock, what do you know, you green blooded, pointy eared
bastard. I killed my father! I can't help but try!

Later! :]

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:02:31 -0700
From: Shannon McNeal
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Rack

Melayne Arnold wrote:
>
> Stu,
>
> are you still looking for the spare tire rack that mounts under the fuel
> tank? If you need one just give me an address to send it to and you can have
> this one, I hate the things and always pull them off anyway.
>
> Stoney
>


I am looking for a spare tire mount for under the body. I have a 64
F100. If Stu does not want it, I could use it if it will fit.

Thanks,

Shannon
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:06:22 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Good-bye and see ya next fall

From: Stu Varner
>Well ladies and gentleman, the time has come for me to say good bye
again.

But. but, but Stu! I just got some new bait, it will go bad! You can't
go!

>My truck money is limited therefore I cannot provide a
>computer for myself at home during the summer months and the online
>services......NOT that you all aren't as important to me as my truck,
>but.......complete restos don't come cheap and neither do good quality
>computers.

SWMBO still says you can't have one? What about summer school? I know
all your students get A's but what about the other teachers that still
think students should earn their grades?

> Deacon, I am bringing my paddle to the show next year so be afraid, be
very
>afraid.
>corporal punishment is still allowed in TN!

Oooo, Spank me, spank me! Make my fanny red. ",

Hurry back. I'll miss these disgusting little get together's! :)

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:24:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:56:06 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> If possible, I want something similiar to the 2150, which has
> the kick-down hooked up to the carb on an adjustable arm that
> is pushed by the throttle linkage.

Ok, you want to get fancy eh? Take the throttle shaft out, make a
lever of the correct dimensions to fit the shaft and with a few bends
to fit under the throttle lever with a 10-32 tapped hole for an
adjuster screw, slip it on the shaft and put it all back together.

That is basically what a kickdown lever is anyway. Most carbs have
some side clearance between the throttle lever and housing to
accomodate this. As I said, edelbrock has kits for most of it's
carbs to do this, not sure about the rochesters tho. I believe
edlebrock also has a "generic" kickdown kit to fit most carbs with a
little fiddling. (somebody has one, cant' remember who it was now)


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78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:25:01 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:51:56 -0700
> From: John MacNamara
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> > Sounds pretty cool! Is the Offy the one they have in the PAW
> > catalog with a separate plane for the secondaries?
>
> Yes, I emailed him a scan of that very page and made sure that was
> the one. he said it was and i bought it for $100.

Is it the spread bore version?

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78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:33:27 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tire Shopping

Many of you probably already do this, but I found a slick way (if you know
exactly what you want and have a fax machine) to do parts shopping. I made up
one fax explaining exactly what I wanted (in this case, two BFG All-Terrain
tires mounted on two white spoke wheels) and faxed it off to five different
local tire places. The difference between the highest quote and what I paid
was $150!

Part of the deal was that I took the fax from the guy with the lowest priced
tires to the guy with the lowest price wheels to see if he would match the
tire price, and he did....so having the written quote really paid off in this
case...

I've done this with drivetrain parts as well by sending faxes to the companies
listed in 4x4 magazines....By the way, during that excersize, I ran across one
company that really KNEW what was going on for a bunch of old Dana 60 parts I
needed, not just what the computer was telling them....they are in California
and are called Drivetrain Direct 888 584 4327....they really seemed to take
service seriously by responding quickly and wiith good suggestions, and not
just the ones that make them the most money.....

Colorado Jeff



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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:43:28 -0400
From: Bryce
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

Hi all... I've acquired a '78 F100 Ranger LB 4x2 this week and added my
self to this list. I've been on the small trucks list since it started
and what ever list it was before that with my '97 Ranger XLT 4x4
SuperCab for over a year now. This list looks more active and I'm sure
it will help me out with my "new" F100.
A little bit about my F100: It's a one owner truck (now one family, it
was my father-in-law's) and a daily driver up until about 1 1/2 years
ago. The 351M engine started knocking at 280k+ miles and then it got
parked. Aside from the engine needing the "once over, twice" the truck
is in good shape... dent (with the exception of bent rear bumper
brackets) and rust free Georgia body, good interior and many "new" parts
put on shortly before parking it (it's been garaged since). I'll see
what can be done with 20 years of oxidation on the paint this weekend.
I plan on restoring this truck (with some modern help) and had some
questions about it that I'm sure somebody here can answer:
1. What size tires were stock on this truck?... it has 15 inch
wheels on it, but it has one size in from and one in back... I want to
put original size or at least the same height and wider tires on it.
2. It has the Ranger package... what did that include in '78? My
father-in-law also said it had the Explorer package... is this possible
with the Ranger package? how can I tell for sure (it has Ranger emblems,
but not Explorer emblems)? What did the Explorer package come with?....


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