61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 286



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
FTE 61-79 - Great discoveries
FTE 61-79 - Foreigners
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
FTE 61-79 - '55-'57 Ch*vys
FTE 61-79 - Good-bye and see ya next fall
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RE: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
RE: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Another list vote
RE: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
RE: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:55:18 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

Just picked up a medium riser 4 bbl intake for my
FE V8 at the F100 Supernationals.

Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
or Holley?

- -Ken


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:57:10 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Great discoveries

It sounds as if Pigeon Forge was great fun. I wonder if Deacon is my long
lost twin brother. I don't fly either. The fall doesn't hurt a bit until
you hit the ground. With the exception of people with a facination for old
vehicles (like us), I never understood how people who wouldn't be caught in
a car more than 3 years old will step on a 20 something year old airplane.

Pat, the trick to using RTV is twofold. Don't over do it and let it cure
properly before you use whatever you sealed together. Front drive GM c-body
cars with aluminum cased AOD transaxles do not use pan gaskets, only RTV.
The expansion coefficient difference between the steel pan and aluminum
housing disallows anything but something glued to both surfaces maintaining
a seal. Hmmm... aluminum housing and steel pan, hmmm....

Thank you, Bill. My original genuine "1979 Ford Truck F-100 thru F-350
Series Owners Guide" says
"C-4 Automatic Transmission Ford Spec ESW-M2C33-F Type F" and
"C-6 Automatic Transmission Ford Spec ESP-M2C138-CJ or Dexron II"
**You-reek-a!!** as my wife always says after I've been under the truck. I
found the answer. According to my Chilton's #7150, p. 211, C6's to 1976 use
Type F ATF and C6's 1977 and later use Type CJ ATF or Dexron II. I'm
satisfied. I love it when everyone is right.

History lesson: Starting in the 1967 model year, all cars and light trucks
were required by federal law to have dual master cylinders with separate
fluid reservoirs designed in such a manner that if one part failed, the
other wouldn't and you would still have partial braking. It didn't matter
whether you had drums or discs on this part of the law.
When I was in the junk yard, I noticed that some of the earlier Fords had
the proportioning valve mounted on the rear of the engine saddle. I don't
know when they changed to the side frame rail. Sometime this summer I am
going to work on my proportioning valve and I will share what I learn.

You can always find scales to weigh your truck at moving and storage
> businesses. Look for the big sign that says Public Scales.

By the way, I've owned pickups with cab mounted gas tanks, side saddle
outside the frame rails dual tanks, and inside the frame rail tanks, along
with countless cars that had the gas tank about 8 inches from the rear
bumper. None of them ever exploded or caught fire. Why? I didn't roll 'em,
didn't bash 'em, drove at or under the speed limit, and stayued out of
everyone else's way. Someone said that all young drivers will have a crash
or a ticket eventually. Wrong!!! My son has been driving for 6 years and
his slate is clean. Don't let the insurance companies give you an excuse to
be careless and cause some innocent family irrepairable harm. Enjoy your
Ford truck in a responsible manner!!!

Ken and Peggy: You are the greatest!!!


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC (my son is rebellious)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:11:27 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Foreigners

10 ways a Texan can spot a foreigner (anyone not from Texas)

1. Anyone who drinks pop instead of sody water.
2. Anyone who drives an Asian or European car not much bigger than a lawn
mower.
3. Anyone who drives a pickup, but it ain't scratched in the back, so you
know they hadn't been haulin' nothin'. (Some Texans buy bedliners now a
days.)
4. Anyone whose idea of a big engine is a 3.8L V-6.
5. Anyone who don't know the difference between a white faced Hereford and
a Longhorn.
6. Anyone who thinks 86 degrees is hot.
7. Anyone who says youse.
8. Anyone who cringes at the idea of buying more than 10 bucks worth of
gasoline at one time.
9. Anyone who expects to drive out of state in less than five hours.
10. Anyone who says pee=B4can instead of puhkhan=B4.

I know we can't all live in Texas. Each state has its own rich heritage,
friendly natives, and beautiful countryside. I just thought this was a
smiler. As I mentioned before, we have an Army base here and get a lot of
foreigners that need to know how to blend. In case you ever roll your Ford
truck south, this knowledge might be worthwhile. (See, I knew I could get
=46TE content in there somehow.)


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:31:01 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

From: Dean & Liz Becker
>I need to find out what the original Smog/emmssions equipment was on my
78
>Bronco. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I have to take
the
>vehicle into California. I spoke to the CA smog folks and they were no
>help. The Ford Folks are researching, but still can not help.

Forget bringing a post '73 non-California vehicle into California.
I've heard of people that tried to bring vehicles here that have Cal
smog stickers on the engine and still couldn't get away cheaply. Our
smog Nazi's will make you pay to the point it's just not worth doing. If
you can, keep it registered to someone that lives out of state.
Later!

Deacon
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:25:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

At 09:55 AM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Just picked up a medium riser 4 bbl intake for my
>FE V8 at the F100 Supernationals.

Aluminum????

Ken......gettin into the hi-performance end....oooooohhhhh!!!! Awesome!
I just have a lowly low riser. :^|

You go big guy! I can't help you with carb selection because I am partial
to the Autolite 4100's/2100's........Holley's of that era were good performers
if you get it tuned right. Sledog?

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:59:42 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

> Should I stick with a Ford 4bbl carb and not have
> to deal with the kick-down lever problems or go with
> the Edelbrock? Or do you prefer something in a Carter
> or Holley?

Ken for ease of installation and remaining true to the "oval" I would
recommend finding one of the original Autolite (licensed Holley) 4bbl
carbs. However, for easier made/found consistency and overall performance I
would recommend the Edelbrock or Carter. One thing to note here is that
with any and all carbs on our powerplants an insulating spacer or some type
of heat shield is almost not an option, keeping that fuel and carb cool as
possible is a key to good driveability. Keeping in mind the spacer type of
setup will sacrifice a little low end while slightly boosting top end
power, read torque. There is as much to say about carb choices as there is
about truck choices etc., but for sure whatever choice you make they all
have their good and bad points.

My personal recommendation is the Holley/Autolite


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
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75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:43:06 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

No No NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!! A common misconception but here in the
great state of the yellow bellied, snail darting tree huggers you DO NOT
have to retrofit a 48 state leagle vehicle to CA emissions. They
bend...er get you another way here. You will pay a one time $300.00
"environmental impact" fee plus the smog inspection fee and the license
fee. After that the inspection is bianual and you pay the anual license
fee. The only emissions equipment your vehicle must have is what it had
originally. Which is why I can drive a truck originally sold in Texas
in 1976 with NO emissions equipment... zero zip nada... and still pass
the sniffer test. When you go in for the emissions test they key in
your vin #. I don't know if this is where the standards for the vehicle
being tested come from or if the technician keys in the type of vehicle
as well but mine has always passed.

My boss bought a car here in CA. Left the state for 11 months came back
and because he had transferred the title to his new home he still had to
pay the $300 when he returned.

There is also a visual inspection at the DMV. When I had my truck done
the person who did it did not come across as a mechanic and only looked
for a sticker on the hood.

If you are planning on keeping the truck for a while then go ahead with
it.

Good luck,
Tom H.

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:54:37 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

I believe the only emmisions related hardware on the 78 351M's is the
EGR valve and the fuel vapor canister and return line. No smog pump,
and no cat, but since your moving it to CA, that's an entire new ball of
wax. I don't live in CA, but
from what I've heard it doesn't matter what the original equipment was
if it wasn't a CA truck.
You have to find what the equipment was for a CA truck and throw all of
that junk on.


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:05:41 -0700
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

At 09:54 PM 5/18/98 -0500, Michael R. Masse wrote:
>I believe the only emmisions related hardware on the 78 351M's is the
>EGR valve and the fuel vapor canister and return line. No smog pump,
>and no cat, but since your moving it to CA, that's an entire new ball of
>wax. I don't live in CA, but
>from what I've heard it doesn't matter what the original equipment was
>if it wasn't a CA truck.
>You have to find what the equipment was for a CA truck and throw all of
>that junk on.

As I remember it, your only duty is to make sure the truck has whatever emissions gear it had when it left the dealer (and keep it in reasonable tune, etc.) If it is a non-CA truck, then the worst thing they will do to you is charge you the dreaded " Smog Impact Fee" assessed on those evil persons who import non-CA vehicles into the Golden State. Last time I checked, it was $300 (one-time fee) and only applied to newer vehicles (not sure of the cutoff date, unfortunately, but a phone call to the CA DMV should remedy that.)....

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