61-79-list-digest Monday, May 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 282



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Heat Soak
FTE 61-79 - RE: F100 springs
FTE 61-79 - VIN number locations
FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement
FTE 61-79 - Bronco Swaybar Mounts?
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement
FTE 61-79 - '78 ford Ranchero
Re: FTE 61-79 - Anyone heard?
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement
FTE 61-79 - Re: F-150 weight
FTE 61-79 - I survived the Super Nats.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: DUI destributer
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge
FTE 61-79 - Emergency brake light, Speedometer and other odds and ends
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emergency brake light, Speedometer and other odds and ends
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems
FTE 61-79 - Brake Fluid
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:43:38 -0700
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Heat Soak

I'm new around here, been reading this list for a few days, really
interesting, kind of wierd at times but not dull. The posting by Bill
Ballinger about the Qjet on his Edelbrock caught my eye. This is a
combination I have wanted to try but wasn't sure it was worth the time to
get the bugs out. I have a 390 in a light F-100 with the 2 bbl now, have an
Edelbrock Performer in the garage with a Holley double pumper Q-jet
replacement on it that is certainly not the answer to any question I might
have asked for my stock 390. I have some Q-jets on hand also, but with the
hassle of changing these manifolds just have not taken the time to put it
all together.

The Holley was fun to drive around on the primaries but had to really have
the revs up to not bog on the secondaries. If it didn't bog I was gone, but
so was the gas. Anybody else having some luck with Q-jets? The Mr. Gasket
adaptor I have is open in the center but the manifold is 2 plane with a
divider, should I do something to extend the divider up to the carb base, or
leave it all open? Any ideas would be appreciated.



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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 07:05:54 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: F100 springs

Hellwig manufactures progressive-rate helper springs that bolt on to
your already existing springs. They dont do anything to the normal ride
of the truck until you start puting a load on, then they start to help
out when your existing springs begin to flatten
out.
I have them on my 76 F250 and work great when I put my 2500# slide-on
camper in the back. You can buy them at RV centers or I see Whitney has
them on sale for $145 = 2500# and $178 = 3000# capacity (catalog 407J).
But I also have tires mounted that are rated to handle the weight. You
may have to do some searching for a tire that fits an F100 AND has the
weight rating you
need.
I'm still playing catch-up here and just starting to read last
Wednesday's posts and it's now Sunday morning so someone else may have
already answered this post the same way. Sorry if thats true. (I really
envy you guys that have the time to keep up!)
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 07:55:42 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN number locations

I think there are 3 places that the VIN number is located on 73-79
trucks. I found 2 places: the door post and a metal tag on the passenger
side firewall. Anyone know where the 3rd place
is?
Can someone decode these VIN numbers for me? These are off the tag on
the firewall: (top line) 295 F25BMDH5405
16 (btm line) 46 33 4BR 20K
7
.
One more question: Did I see a post in here somewhere aways back where
a person has a bed off a truck from Arizona? If anyone has something
similar for sale (with tool box on pass. side) I'm definately interested
in getting an idea of what that costs. The rusty bed on my F250 is
coming apart - I have it held together in the back with nylon straps.
And it makes some really gawd-awful banging noises when I'm driving.
Please respond via e-mail if possible. Hopefully one can be had for a
reasonable price. My wife doesnt exactly share the same feelings that I
have for the truck and has threatened to spend equal amounts of dollars
on our kitchen. Of course I could always buy myself a welder and try to
fix the bed- I'll have to ask her if tools count since we have other
vehicles around that I could use the welder on also, so it wouldn't
neccessarily be just for the
F250...
76 F250 360 C6
90 E150 4.9L C6
95 F350 7.3L Powerstroke Crewcab 4wd
and 67 VW Bug -
stock 61 VW
Single-cab Bus ..
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:02:27 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement

Steve- I was reading your post (from last Wednesday) where you said
"You send the block, heads, and crank off to the machine shop for
whatever work You need on them." Well, duh! I hate to show my ignorance
but what "work" are you talking about? I've rebuilt VW engines before
(about a million years ago) but I don't recall that anything ever had to
be taken over to a machine shop for them. I remember using a new crank,
new heads, new rods, etc. The VW engine case was either good (undamaged)
or not good(beat up from a broken rod or whatever). So, what has to be
done on the block, heads, and crankshaft at a machine
shop? I appologize to all the experienced people on this
list that are sitting there saying "This guy MUST be kidding!". I think
somebody said here before about taking a rebuild course at your local
CC. What's a "CC"? I'd love to take a course like
that. Thanks and, ummm, sorry again for
having been living under a rock. Jack P.
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:16:56 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bronco Swaybar Mounts?

Does anyone have a set of 78-79 Bronco swaybar mounts (front or rear)? I'm
looking for the bars that has the circular shock-type bushing on one end that
bolts to the frame and threaded on the other. I don't care how good of shape
the threads or bushings are since I will replace them anyway...

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:20:06 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement

community college. also look at vo-tech night courses.

sleddog

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement

What's a "CC"? I'd love to take a course like
that. Thanks and, ummm, sorry again for
having been living under a rock. Jack P.

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:53:19 EDT
From: Hoover663
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 ford Ranchero

Does anyone know of places I can get parts,info,manuals,or a web site with
pictures of Rancheros anything will be helpful
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:03:03 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Anyone heard?

Last I heard from Tyler was in early April. We were exchanging e-mails on
what parts he had left that I might buy from him.

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> From: BDIJXS
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Anyone heard?
> Date: Saturday, May 16, 1998 6:40 PM
>
> Has anyone seen or heard from Tyler Wilkens? He was the one who went
south
> from Wisconsin and an 18 wheeler crushed his truck while he was in the
> restaurant eating breakfast.....He said after that that he had a bunch of
> parts for sale...
>

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:15:04 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement

Generally the "work" will differ depending on what the engine needs whether
you're doing an overhaul or a rebuild. Minimum is having the block "boiled"
to clean it and new cams bearings put in. It's also a good idea to have the
cylinders measured for taper and out of round. If they're out of spec it'll
need to be bored and you'll need to get new pistons. There are quite a few
other machining operations that can be done to the block also. The
crankshaft needs to be measured and turned if necessary. The heads well the
need to be cleaned and disassembled, the seats reground new valve guides,
new valves, springs & retainers, etc.

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> From: THE PAVIES'
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine rebuild/replacement
> Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 6:02 AM
>
> Steve- I was reading your post (from last Wednesday) where you said
> "You send the block, heads, and crank off to the machine shop for
> whatever work You need on them." Well, duh! I hate to show my ignorance
> but what "work" are you talking about?
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:52:45 EDT
From: BlueOval77
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F-150 weight

Probably the easiest and surest way to get the weight of your truck is, as
referenced to in Gary Peter's letter to you, to take it over to your local
gravel yard and put it on the scales. It only costs a couple of bucks and they
may let you do it for free. Or, if you are in need of some gravel, buy a
specific amount which they then will weigh on their scales while in your truck
and subtract the difference.

I did the same thing for my 77 F-150 when I needed to know its weight for my
DUI distributor's curve. Just thought I'd let ya know...
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:59:00 -0500
From: "Brian Forbes"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I survived the Super Nats.

Hi everyone,

Just thought I'd send a little note about the trucks at the show this year.
SWEET!

Although everyone here knows about the Super Nats, Pigeon Forge also has
the Classic Che*y Show at the same time. And everybody else with hot rods
and trucks shows up for the weekend as well. We sat out and watched the
cruising Friday night, and it was sweet.

Ken, sorry I didn't make it to the parade and the meeing on Sun morn. My
family drug me to Gatlingburg to waste my money. If I missed anything,
please let me know. BTW, I had a few people ask me about the name tag. They
said they would check the web site out.

Well people, I had a 4 1/2 hr drive through monotony and I'm tired.

Later,
Brian Forbes

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:18:47 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: DUI destributer

is that the one wire one from Davis ignition that is like the chevy HEI?
how do you like it and do you feel they got the curve correct? any
problems, comments, etc? almost bought one some time ago, but went MSD.
so i was just curious. it looked like a good setup for a stock or mild
street engine build.

sleddog

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F-150 weight



I did the same thing for my 77 F-150 when I needed to know its weight for
my
DUI distributor's curve. Just thought I'd let ya know...



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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:12:31 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge

Well everyone I just want to say what a greaaaaat time the F100
Supernats were. I met up with Ken and the rest of the gang that were
there and spent time or met almost all who came. Had breakfast this
morning with about 10 from the group. I drove my 67 F100 longbed and
had it at the show. I believe I was the only one from the 61-79 with a
truck there. The parade was awsome. It was great fun to drive in the
parade with all the other beautiful trucks. Can't wait for next year.
Those of you who were there and didn't have your trucks must try to
bring them next year so we all can stake out a corner of real estate and
have a little community like other groups. The show was great......
Garry
67 F100 Long bed

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:49:58 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emergency brake light, Speedometer and other odds and ends

Well I have a few problems that have been lingering since the
restoration was completed on my 67 F100. My emergency brake light will
not go off. I have a wiring diagram and still cannot locate the d *n
switch. Does anyone know were it is and how I go about changing it or
making it work or something. I would really like it to work. Emergency
brake works great.

Speedometer: ever since I swapped the 3 spd tranny and installed a C-6
the speedometer is 8 mph off. It registers too fast. Also the needle
bounces a whole lot until you get going about 30 or 40.. I replaced the
cable during the restoration but not the gear that goes into the
transmission. Any ideas out there?

While at the F100 supernats I found a new instrument cluster that will
hold 5 or 6 round gauges and I am really considering changing mine out
and installing 6 VDO gauges. Will going to a new gauge help this
problem?

Have noticed other minor problems. While driving back from Pigeon Forge
I stopped at a rest area in Georgia and left the truck running with the
A/C on (SWMBO) was waiting in the cab. Took about 5 mins. When we got
back on the road the truck seemed to be real sluggish like it wasn't
getting gas but cleared up within 15 or 25 seconds. Is this possible
vapor lock due to heat. It was 87 outside. Or do I have some other
problem ready to rear its ugly head. The truck is real nice and those
who say it at PF liked it. I just want it to be finished.....
Garry

I have also noticed that my power steering is acting up. I had the gear
rebuilt prior to finishing the restoration. Steering makes noise. I am
suspecting the pump may be acting up. Can these be rebuilt or can I
just purchase a rebuilt one? Its hard to describe the problem but I
just know it not right.

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:39:46 -0500
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems

Ryan Dorman wrote:

> Then pull on the axle, it should come out. If not hit the center of the axle
> (being carefull not to hit the studs) with a medium sized hammer (5lb sledge
> should do) then pull the axle out...
>
>

There are 2 other ways to get the axle out (after removing nuts), one is to use a
slide hammer which bolts to the wheel studs and then has a weight that you slide and
it bangs on the end. The othe way I read in my Haynes manual is to put the tire on
again (loosely) and then pull on the tire. It creates better leverage. I learned all
about these 9" axles after the side gear in mine cracked and stripped the axle shaft.
(there was about 1/4" left actually grabbing the shaft)

Ross Henjum






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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:53:22 EDT
From: Kitin10
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems

Thanks so much to All for your responses about the axles.. This will hepl a
great deal!
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:33:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emergency brake light, Speedometer and other odds and ends

At 09:49 PM 5/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Well I have a few problems that have been lingering since the
>restoration was completed on my 67 F100. My emergency brake light will
>not go off. I have a wiring diagram and still cannot locate the d *n
>switch. Does anyone know were it is and how I go about changing it or
>making it work or something. I would really like it to work. Emergency
>brake works great.

On my '71 F100, the switch is inside the drivers side frame rail, about
as far back as the front edge of the door. Look for a big lump of mud
with some brake lines going into it....
I didn't even know mine was there until one day I was digging mud out of
the frame and went, "oh, hey, what's this?"

Steve

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and asking questions, always new questions,
then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:33:04 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems

At 10:07 PM 5/16/98 EDT, you wrote:
>HELP! I have a 1979 Ford F 100 pickup. My fiance is trying to get the drums
>on the rear wheels off, and he can't seem to do it. Everyone we have talked to
>said to "beat" them off with a hammer. ? Also, what is the right way to get
>the rear wheel axles out?

The center hole on the rear drums has a bit of outward flair to it, and
is a very tight fit over the outer end of the axle. The flair is there
so when You tighten the lug nuts the hole in the drum grabs the axle quite
tightly and keeps the drum centered up. Often, its grabbed so tight that
the drums don't wanna come off.
If You take a propane torch and gently heat the drum right around the
center hole it will expand slightly and let go. Be gentle with the torch
and keep the flame moving around the hole so You don't hot spot it anywhere
and warp it. I have to use the torch every time on my F100, but it doesn't
take much heat. Not even nearly spit-sizzlin... maybe 180F or so.
When mine are hot enough they will make a nice *PING* when they let go, and
then they just slide right off...
Had to do the same on my uncles bronco when I put brakes on it last month..

Steve

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:16:04 -0400
From: "Kristen Marcellus"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Fluid

G'day all!

Just got back from Tennessee and everyone reading this needs to book off
work May 13-16, 1999. UNBELIEVABLE! Completely awe inspiring! I am soooo
wound up it's scary even for me. Ken says he'll post pictures and you'll be
able to see why this is something that can't be missed. Everyone there was
great to talk to and nice to finally put faces to names.

On a more serious note - is it possible for brake fluid to go bad? Does
synthetic brake fluid become thick when it gets older? Tomorrow I'm
draining the brake fluid out of the system and need to know what I can do to
flush it out and what's the best to put back in. The power brakes fail in
stop and go traffic but straighten out once you get going again. If anyone
has any idea why I'd really appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks!
Kristen (MrsSlix66 email.msn.com)






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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:58:00 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-100 problems

Ever tried anti-sieze on them??....


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