61-79-list-digest Saturday, May 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 279



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: Freeze plugs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Balanced and Blueprinted
FTE 61-79 - ...no subject...
Re: FTE 61-79 - ...no subject...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Body Mounts
FTE 61-79 - Re: Tranny fluid change
FTE 61-79 - Re: Edjeekated Idiots
FTE 61-79 - Re: Politics, etc
FTE 61-79 - Re: Correct trans & case lube
FTE 61-79 - Wood splittin' and bed wood
FTE 61-79 - Diversity
FTE 61-79 - Fwd: FTE Pre61 - great time at the show in pigeon forge

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:21:07 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Freeze plugs

> I have a question about freeze plugs. I have one that has a pin hole rusted
> in the center. Keep in mind that I live in the middle of Texas where it
> doesn't get very cold or cold for very long at a time. I also maintain my
> antifreeze religously. The rubber freeze plugs are a snap to install. Is
> there a bad downside that I should be aware of? I wish we didn't have the
> freeze plug feature because we really don't need them down here. Are they
> used when casting the block, too? The last thing I need is for the dang
> thing to shoot out in the middle of July.

Yes, the freeze plug holes are there to support the core when casting.
They don't really help if it freezes the block. I had a rubber one that
was in the truck when I bought it blow out on me once. However I was,
shall we say, giving the truck a run for its money.

Since there was no way to install a metal one without pulling the motor,
I just put a rubber one in there beside the road and it has held since.
This is with a 16lb cap.

Birken T. Vogt - KE6DLT
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:27:31 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Balanced and Blueprinted

From: Ryan Dorman
>What I meant was : In terms that people with limited machinest/engine
>knowledge could understand..(not everyone is experienced enough with
>engines to understand the barage of technical terms.)

The PepBoys sale paper is the blueprint and the checkbook is balanced.
:)

Deacon
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Date: Fri, 15 May 98 17:10:55 -0700
From: "SGT CHRISTOPHER S DENSON"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ...no subject...

To Ryan Dorman,
How many Army dogs are there? 400,000+? There's 174,000 Marines. Now, let's
talk about ASVAB scores, The Marine Corps comes in second behind the Air
Farce while the Army comes in a distant last behind the Navy, why is that? So
who's the real dumb dumbs here? What your Army Ranger Special Forces do is
just another day for our regular grunts. Just proves not everybody can be a
Marine while anybody can be a soldier. What kind of training do you do? A-
R-M-Y T-R-A-I-N-I-N-G S-I-R!!!!!!!!!! Semper Fi soldier.

Chris
67 F100 Camper Special/352

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:50:50 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ...no subject...

SGT CHRISTOPHER S DENSON wrote:

> To Ryan Dorman,
> How many Army dogs are there? 400,000+? There's 174,000 Marines. Now, let's
> talk about ASVAB scores, The Marine Corps comes in second behind the Air
> Farce while the Army comes in a distant last behind the Navy, why is that? So
> who's the real dumb dumbs here? What your Army Ranger Special Forces do is
> just another day for our regular grunts. Just proves not everybody can be a
> Marine while anybody can be a soldier. What kind of training do you do? A-
> R-M-Y T-R-A-I-N-I-N-G S-I-R!!!!!!!!!! Semper Fi soldier.
>
> Chris
> 67 F100 Camper Special/352
>
>

And the FTE content here is.....?
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:56:39 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Body Mounts

>
> By the way, do you know if 1/2-ton and 3/4-ton U-joints are the same?

Which U-joints?, which front axle??


OX
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:28:13 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Tranny fluid change

> From: "John LaGrone"
> For John Hammell: Watch out for that tranny fluid. I insisted earlier that
> my 79 C6 uses Dexron II. My truck wouldn't back up under a load because
> someone (my older but not wiser sister) had poured Ford ATF down its
> gullet. I looked up the ATF specs in the owner's manual and matched it to
> the can or bottle. I know I have the Right Stuff. A 67 C6 or C4 could use
> Ford ATF. Ask someone who knows for sure. Guys? I do know one thing for
> sure, don't put the wrong kind in it. Also, you aren't going to get it out
> of the torque converter, so you are still going to have a bit of old ATF in
> there, too. When you actually change the oil, do it somewhere that you
> don't mind getting oily. The first couple of times until you get practice
> are messy. Reason: no drain plug.

If you want to change fluid often, install a drain plug kit. I've seen
them at NAPA and Kragens, $10 for the B&M kit, or $4 in the generic
"HELP" parts section.I had an Aerostar that I would change the fluid
yearly (3000 # Boat), I sold it at 150,000 miles, original tranny.
You need to drill a hole in the pan, I used double sided tape to hold
the nut in place while checking location. You don't want to be drilling
holes and then finding out there isn't any clearance. I just bolted mine
in as was intended, I suppose you could braze the drain in for a cleaner
installation and prevent accidental loosening of the fitting when
changing fluid.

> The fluid comes out all around the pan.
> Loosen it all around, then loosen it so that one of the back corners lowers
> first. Be patient as you do this. If you don't, the pan will drop and slop
> and passerbys will learn the extent of your vocabulary. When you put it
> back together, use a combination of RTV and the cork or rubber gasket in

I would suggest NOT using RTV, or any other gasket goop. A little tiny
piece of RTV can really mess up an AT valve body. Clean the gasket
surfaces well, flatten them as Gary suggested, and use a new gasket.
Tighten the bolts evenly, and go around at least twice.

> the kit. Don't over tighten the pan bolts. I believe specs call for about
> 12-15 inch-lbs and that ain't much. They should be tight enough to stay in,
> but not destroy the gasket, the same as you would do valve covers.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:27:25 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Edjeekated Idiots

I have a friend who is a double PHD, math and computer science and he
IS a total goof with such things. His wife had to put a lamp
together for him b

with the chicken though and thanked me profusely :-)) The
guy was very good at what he knew, just not too mechanically inclined
:-)

The Most Ignorant individual I have ever known had TWO Degrees from MIT!
One was a Masters im Math.
The Scary part was that before retiring from the USN, he had commanded
several nuclear submarines and a couple of major shore bases.

Scary!

No insult intended to the Degreed among us. I guess a sheep skin just
doesn't impart or portend horse sense.
Bill Adams

The WoodButcher's Shop
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:51:54 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Politics, etc

Gary wrote about my 'follically challenged' forehead:

> Gallagher (spelling?) does all right with that setup :-)

Yea, but Gary, his JOB is to look silly ( :-))


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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:17:38 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Correct trans & case lube

Marko was wondering:
>
> Altho Steve's T-18 may go around marking its territory with 90W gear oil,
> my genuine 67 Ford and Mercury Centennial Edition Truck Owner's Manual
> (okay, enough bragging) says that for the front and rear diffs you shud use
> 80W90, and for the tranny and for the transfer case, you shud use 50W
> motor oil! Really!
>
> I wonder how this wud work, and if it wud cut down on the whine at all.
>
> By the way, my repro FoMoCo lube stickers from Jim Osborn also say to use
> 50W.

The original sticker on my '70 F-250 (T-18) (Inside glove box door)
says:

| Initial Fill For
| 4 speed manual transmission
| 4WD transfer case
| SAE50W Engine Oil
| Switch to 30W for winter if hard shifting is encountered

The owners manual places the change temp at 10 degrees(F).

[gotta get a digital camera, it's hard to run back and forth remembering
stuff]

As a lot of newer trannys use ATF, it seems like the primary concern is
'shiftability'. If I had mine apart and clean, I'd try a heavier (80-90)
synthetic to help tone down the whining. If shifting is a problem, then
go thinner. Of course, around here, 10 degrees doesn't happen. If it
did,
I'd just stay in bed :-)

>
> Wud somebody in the know please let me know what to do, before I go filling
> my newly rebuilt and painted transfer case with the wrong liquid.
>

Welcome back Marko! It's been pretty quiet from up north! Sounds like
the
project truck is coming along.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California


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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:43:10 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wood splittin' and bed wood

Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:02:21 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Split wood

Did I accidentally stumble into that darn Wood Splitters' LIST-SERV
again?

Is this wood for a Ford Truck bed?

Speaking of bed wood, The other list I follow recently had a thread on
choosing, and finishing bed wood for a 41 Ford Pick-up.

It would be kind of long. Would ya'll like me to copy it and post it
here?
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The WoodButcher's Shop
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66 F-100 Custom Cab, Long bed, 352 V8, T-18 granny, and P/S
61 F-100 Unibody short bed, 223 and a three on the tree.
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:39:08 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Diversity

I want to get up on my soapbox a minute, I guess the milk crate I use to
access the underhood on my "Highboy" will do.

I've been going through the pictorials on the website, and I can't believe
how great of an interest our hobby generates. We have everything from wood
haulers to show trucks. The people I've met on this list are professors,
computer programmers, truck drivers, people from all walks of life. These
old trucks really own US, you all know that don't you?

I don't know how to say it any better, but Ken is running one hell of a
website here. I've spent more time reading and replying to my mail than
I've ever spent on a mailing list before. The information I've gotten while
bringing my old "beast" back from the brink has been invaluable. And I can't
think of a better source of information on the web.

Each of us has a truck that means a lot to us, they get us where we need to
go, and satisfy the need for something to work on all the time (my wife taps
her foot and points at the lawn)that can make sweet motor music for us. We
see our incremental efforts grow into something far beyond the smoking,
knocking, rusty old beast with no headlights that we started on.

All of the efforts that Ken and Peggy make to give us this forum can't be
thanked enough, or the efforts and time that we all put in trying to help
one another either. I hope to make it to the next get together, like in
Pigeon Forge and put some faces to those e-mail adresses.

Well, I need to take the milk crate over and lift the hood on the "beast"
and see what I can do for her today. Good luck with yours.

Come on over to my Back Porch
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:44:05 EDT
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: FTE Pre61 - great time at the show in pigeon forge

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cruising, it's 1:30 in the morning and we have been going since 8:00 am this
morning. Yes there is many vendors for the visors and running boards you are
looking for. Please respond privately and if you like I can look for what you
need specificly and call you, help in anyway I can. We really wish everyone
could be here. We have been getting photos of course, Ken is going to make a
special page to show them. We have met alot of nice people, introduced many
to
our fine "club" and have been discussing creating more oppurtunitys for us to
get together. Gang there really is some outstanding trucks here. Well I am
worn out and the day starts really early, more later...

Semper Fords...

and one more thing,, a quote taken from one of the show trucks...

" Friends don't let friends install Che%y engines in thier trucks"

John Miller
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Yes we are haveing a great time, in fact we just got in from watching the
cruising, it's 1:30 in the morning and we have been going since 8:00 am this
morning. Yes there is many vendors for the visors and running boards you are
looking for. Please respond privately and if you like I can look for what you
need specificly and call you, help in anyway I can. We really wish everyone
could be here. We have been getting photos of course, Ken is going to make a
special page to show them. We have met alot of nice people, introduced many to
our fine "club" and have been discussing creating more oppurtunitys for us to
get together. Gang there really is some outstanding trucks here. Well I am
worn out and the day starts really early, more later...

Semper Fords...

and one more thing,, a quote taken from one of the show trucks...

" Friends don't let friends install Che%y engines in thier trucks"

John Miller
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