61-79-list-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 275



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - engine buying ??'s
FTE 61-79 - where to find the door panels?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Balanced and Blueprinted
FTE 61-79 - Body Mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Balanced and Blueprinted
FTE 61-79 - Sealing da FE (was: engine buying ??'s)
Re: FTE 61-79 - differentials - lockers and torsens
FTE 61-79 - Driveline Angles
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Angles
FTE 61-79 - Having a blast in Pigeon Forge
Re: FTE 61-79 - directions, and now more info from the show
FTE 61-79 - Power Brake swap
FTE 61-79 - Petaluma Auto Swap Meet (N. California)
FTE 61-79 - Re: Politics, etc [Was Charging Systems]
FTE 61-79 - Brains
FTE 61-79 - Wood Splitting

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:25:31 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine buying ??'s

Please excuse the following statement's , as I am sick of hearing semper fi...

Marine: websters deffinition= "An over glorified foot soldier for the navy"
usually lacking in inteligence. see also "JARHEAD"

SGT WILLIAM A WHITED wrote:

> I'll still be on the list and for all the
> Devil Dogs "You can't handle the truth." Tony
>



> More likely"You can't understand the truth."

Airborne Rangers , when you want it done right the 1st time...
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:28:04 -0700 (MST)
From: SKINS asu.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - where to find the door panels?

where can i find the door panels for a 77 custom f-150 4x4. I've seen
them in jc whitney but im not sure if they are the correct ones that i
have know. my are cracking because they are the original panels. Can
someone tell me where to find the correct panels? if you would like to
see my truck its on my page.thanx


Miguel A. Quijada
www.public.asu.edu/~chonr11

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:08:28 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Balanced and Blueprinted

the pistons are weighed and material is removed to make all weigh exactly the
same,then the rods are weighed ,the big end first,get them weighing the same
and then the total rod is weighed,material is then removed from the small end
to get the total rod to weigh the same as the lightest,then it is
formulated,and weights are added to each rod journal to simulate the rods and
pistons,then it is turned to a high rpm,and then material is removed from the
counter balancers,kind of like balancing
a tire. the blue printing process is critical checking of all clearances,
bearings,piston skirt clearance matched to each cylinder,rings checked and
fitted to each cylinder,
cylinder volume checked and matched,combustion chambers cc'd and matched
and on and on and on.very time consuming and aggrivating but worth the effort
for
a top performing engine.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:40:46 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Body Mounts

Hey OX,

I mentioned something a long time ago about getting polyurethane body mounts
from JCW. I just looked up your application = $79 for the set....

I bought a set of these and they seem to work great....

Don't know about actual rubber ones...

By the way, do you know if 1/2-ton and 3/4-ton U-joints are the same?

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:45:45 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Balanced and Blueprinted

Well thank you for making sure that even us dimwits can understand it...

However, balancing doesn't add any power, it simply extends the longevity
of the engine by reducing wear and tear. The only way it would "rap up
faster" is if you significantly lightened all of the pieces associated with
the rotating mass. I suppose since when you balance the pistons & rods you
match it to the lightest component it might reduce the total weight by a
fraction but that really wouldn't make a significant increase in total
power. Theoretically balancing would enable an engine to survive for longer
at higher RPMs but it's usually other factors (cheap/mismatched/flawed
parts) that contribute to catastrophic failure at high RPMs not out of
balance assemblies.

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> From: Ryan Dorman
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Balanced and Blueprinted
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 2:13 PM
>
> Now in terms that most people can understand..
> Blueprinting an engine is the proccess of matching all of the parts of
the
> engine as close to ideal spec's as possible(some machine work could be
> required) effectively a major pain that isn't really required unless you
> plan on running alchohol, you minimally blueprint an engine during the
> assembly proccess already by checking all of the piston to valve etc..
> clearances...
> Balanceing on the other hand is a very effective method of milking
> horsepower and extra life out of an engine, you want the parts that have
> multiples (ie pistons, connecting rods, rocker arms)
> to be as close to the same wieght as possible, thus decreasing vibration
> and extending engine life and power (+ they rap up faster & can usually
> withstand higher rpm's)
>

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:45:23 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sealing da FE (was: engine buying ??'s)

>> If carelessly assembled a 390 can easily resemble a piece of swiss cheese
>> (oil leaks everywhere)
>> The 390 is the most problematic engine I have worked on in this department.
>> And it is all avoidable if the extra care and time is taken during assembly.

The only problem with sealing FE's is the intake manifold, where it meets
the block along the front and rear edge and especially at the corners where
the block, head, and manifold all meet. It's not really a big deal if You
throw away the stock cork seals and buy a tube of RTV...
The cork gaskets will want to creep out when You torque down the manifold
and often after they've been together awhile they'll creep out just for fun.
If You've had the head gasket surface milled on the head or block, the manifold
will sit a little lower and the corks won't even fit right. Then they REALLY
want to squeeze out...
I've had little luck getting the corks to stay sealed for very long.

My preferred technique is to get the surfaces absolutely clean and oil free
and then put down a bead of RTV about as thick as the stock cork. Make sure to
run it all the way to each corner. Do the front and rear and then let it set
up for about 15-20 minutes until the bead is is still pliable but well
skinned-over and fairly resiliant to being compressed. Then I run another thin
bead (1/8?) over the top of the first ones, but continuing up past the corner
and up the intake gasket surface all the way to the top of the head.
Then immediately put the intake on. The intake *must* go straight down into
place the first time without sliding it around on the silicone to get it
lined up. If You have to slide it around much to get it in place You're
screwed and should take it off, clean it all up, put fresh beads down and
try again. Use a hoist or a couple friends if need be to get it lined up and
put it straight down the first time. This is *much* easier for one person to
do if You are using an aluminum manifold!

I've had %100 success with that technique, and my 390 won't leave it's
mark on Your nice white concrete driveway. My T-18 will leave You a drop
of 90w to remember me by tho...

Steve

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and asking questions, always new questions,
then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:25:58 -0700
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - differentials - lockers and torsens

At 10:16 AM 5/6/98 -0400, Sleddog wrote:
>i had the torsen in my dana 44 front for 2 yrs before i destroyed the
>gears, carrier, bearing caps, etc.
>
>i destoyed it from way to much power and hot doggin' it through mud & snow
>over rough terrain. i abused it, but under normal or heavy duty service
>with milder engines they will hold up no problem and they are the best you
>can get IMHO.


IMHO the best technical overview of the various 4WD/AWD systems is at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eskimo.com/~eliot/awd.html

Worth reading...




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:06:14 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Angles

I'm running an approximate 3-1/2" lift, and I read somewhere that the angle on
the upper U-joint (in my case, between the jack shaft and the rear driveline)
should be the same angle as that on the lower U-joint between the driveline
and the pinion shaft....I've seen some lift jobs where they "rotated" the rear
axle with wedge shims, etc. until that lower angle was about zero, but the
upper one still relatively large....I understand that this configuration
applies extra stress on the U-joints, wearing them out faster....

Is this true?

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:30:35 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Angles

At 10:06 PM 5/14/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I'm running an approximate 3-1/2" lift, and I read somewhere that the angle on
>the upper U-joint (in my case, between the jack shaft and the rear driveline)
>should be the same angle as that on the lower U-joint between the driveline
>and the pinion shaft....I've seen some lift jobs where they "rotated" the rear
>axle with wedge shims, etc. until that lower angle was about zero, but the
>upper one still relatively large....I understand that this configuration
>applies extra stress on the U-joints, wearing them out faster....
>
>Is this true?

What You want is for the 2 u-joint angles to be the same. The tranny
output shaft and rear axle pinion shaft should be *parallel* when under
a load. What this usually means is that the pinion actually needs to
be rotated down a couple degrees from parallel so that when the axle
torques up under load it becomes parallel.
Yes, there are wedge shims too adjust it...

For a really good article about driveline angles, go here:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.classic truckshop. com/t4.htm

I believe this is actually a ch*vy related site, but the principles
and geometry still apply...

Steve

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then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:29:41 EDT
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Having a blast in Pigeon Forge

This is Ken Payne, using John Miller's laptop from the Pigeon Forge
F100 Supernationals. Just wanted to let everyone know we're having
a blast. The show hasn't even started yet an already 8 list members
has stopped by.

Deacon, you're missed!

Well gotta, go. Running out of battery power.

Ken,
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts.
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:29:35 EDT
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - directions, and now more info from the show

this show is soooo big you can't miss it... today at noon they announced they
had just registered the 700th truck..... make sure you come to the booth to
sign in and say hi.... This is so awesome meeting people from the list...
Wish all could be here... The Trucks are incredible.... Many Many cover trucks
etc...

More tommorow, going out now to look for burnout contests... :)

check this out gang, I arrived early Wed. and me and some oldtimers sat on
the balcony watching the trucks roll in, and booing the Ch*vy powerd rigs...
:)

Semper Fords...


John Miller
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:26:44, -0500
From: BJGR47D prodigy.com (MR RYAN STACK)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Brake swap

I have a 72' Bronco with manual brakes. The master cylinder needs
replaced. I was wondering if it is possible to swap in a power brake
unit from a full size Bronco, or a pickup
If it is then I would like to know how it might be done, and what
problems I might run into.

thanks
ryan
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:43:22 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Petaluma Auto Swap Meet (N. California)

Swap meet this Sunday in Petaluma, at the fairgrounds off Washington
St. Sun up until 2 PM. Any local FTE groupies coming to town?

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:35:00 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Politics, etc [Was Charging Systems]

John started with:

>OK guys and gals, let's get two things straight, then you can throw me
> off the list if you like.

[an' a whole bunch of other stuff deleted]

No need to be throwing anybody off the list . . .

Then Stu let the school out so he could add:

> Tell us how you really feel!! Deep down I'll bet you're a whale lovin
> breast feeding, long haired hippy type, tree lovin, anti - Nuke,
> greenpeace- - flower sellin Hare Krishna
> in hiding in the federal witness protection program kinda person
> ....tell the truth!

Which sorely tempted Deacon, who had been incredibly silent to add:

> From: John LaGrone
> >This tirade is not directed at any individual. I absolutely totally
> >rerspect your right to disagree with me.
>
> Well then piss on you John. Your violating my right to disagree with
> you if you don't say something I disagree with! If you can't say
> something ignorant then don't say anything at all! :)
>

Which drew Steve into the thread with:

> Carefull now! I resemble part of that remark! (-:
>
> Steve "Fordtruck-lovin, tree-lovin,
> breast feeding, long haired hippy type" Delanty
>

Then, Michael added:
> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:15:36, -0500
> From: BBMZ31A prodigy.com ( MICHAEL N BIGBY)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Amen.
>
> Sorry for the confusion. The Amen was for a frustrated list members
> discourse on the wonderful people who would have all of us driving
> nothing but geo metros or bicycles. Thought I had included his
> comments in my reply. Mike.

Man! Tough Crowd!
I love my FE powered 5000# F-250 crew cab. I ride my bike to work
though,
14 miles each way, to keep the pounds off my personal frame. That way I
can enjoy my ice cold brew when I'm sitting in the trees somewhere.
John,
you can have all the weapons you want, just don't point them at me! Hey
Stu, I'd love to be a long-haired hippie, but it looks silly with my big
bald spot in the middle:-) So Just sign me . . .

Pat "Fordtruck-lovin, tree-lovin, breast feeding,
wanna-be long haired hippy type but too old, bicycle riding"
Brown

P.S. FTE Content: Just because Ken went forging pidgeons doesn't mean
were not
gonna all be in a heap 'o trouble when he gets back!
Hope he
has a good time!

Pat "List Baby-sitter, too!" Brown
Sebastopol, California


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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:14:25 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brains

>(i need two email addresses, one for work, where i dont get a bunch of
>s**t for the phd and one for this list where my truck is more important my
>brains) or should i say how i apply my brains to my truck is more
>important than how i apply it to my microscope

You don't do brain surgery do you? Just checking :-)
Come on over to my Back Porch
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Ballinger
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:29:29 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wood Splitting

>Gary writes: >>Used to go out and haul 16' logs home with my 62, F-600
>flat bed and cut them up. One night I split two loads of red elm
>by hand. Only the insiders can possibly know how much work that was
>:-) One time we got some very well cured hickory...........don't even
>ask :-

Elm is about the worst in my opinion. It's like rubber. One way I've done
it is let it sit until it's dry and on a good cold morning, go around the
heart chipping off slabs. Then drill a hole in the center and put in a stick
of dynamite, 'cause that's about the only way to split the heart with out
suffering a coronary. Seriously though, I've had to surrender a couple of
wedges in my time. The slabs burn pretty good, but the heart wood makes a
lot of creosote anyway. I hate to waste anything, but Elm....
Come on over to my Back Porch
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