61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 271



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 351 family...
Re: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.
Re: FTE 61-79 - targets and rebuilds
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement
FTE 61-79 - Rebuilds and books
Re: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.
Re: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems
FTE 61-79 - f-150 weight
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 family....
Re: F-111...was: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
> FTE 61-79 - steve
FTE 61-79 - Amen.
FTE 61-79 - Shock Bushings - A Shocking Revelation
Re: FTE 61-79 - steve
FTE 61-79 - Re: 1965 F-100 running and being driven
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine buying ??'s
FTE 61-79 - Steve's FE saga.

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:45:56 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 family...

>Where did the 352 come from?
>
The 352 is of the FE family (stands for Ford/Edsel, if that gives you any
idea how far back this design goes) and would be considered a "big block".
Good power for it's size but they really suck the gas.

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:06:08 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.

>From: "Chris Samuel"
>To:
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.
>Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:37:03 -0700
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>The legend...
>
>Praises be unto the list makers,
>who hath created this place,
>Long may they run.
>
>For low in the beginning there was the net.
>And it was dark, and Ford Truckers wandered in the Cyberness.
>The great Ken came upon the Internet and said: "I shall create a place
for
>the people.
>and Fords shall rule."
>Then it was so...
>and unto the lists like great and Noble Horses they came out of the
>Cyberness.
>They collected unto the lists and their knowledge grew and the lists
>breathed and began to become greater then the Ken conceived.
>And the Ken guided the lists and Henry's children knew that it is good.
>Yet still the lists grew still and the Peggy joined the Ken and it was
good.
>And there were troubles, and some left, and others joined, and the
Deacon
>returned.
>There became a family of listers, and opinions were stated.
>and in the family there was tolerance for all who based on fact, and
>education
>and care for the innocent.
>And the servers staggered in the volume of the bytez. The servers
changed
>and the masters of the list carried the weight with never a falter, and
>still the list breathed.
>There were honors paid unto the list masters, so much deserved.
>And the list grew out of the net, and out of the Cyber, and the world
>trembled under the power of the Fords and Henry's children gathered at
the
>Forge and there was a bond.
>The Chevrolet trembled as they witnessed the power, for they new they
had
>seen their fate, and they hid their small blocks and were ashamed for
their
>impudence and ignorance.
>Thus it was in the beginning my children and so it remains...
>
>Praises be unto the list makers,
>who hath created this place,
>Long may they run....
>
>
Can we get an AMEN here please!

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:02:12 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - targets and rebuilds

From: John LaGrone
>Yep, I'm a big target, front or back. If you decide to shoot me, don't
make
>the mistake of trying to wound me. I won't make the same mistake.

That wasn't a threat my friend. I'm on your side (from what I've read).
I'm a shotgun man myself. That way if I get a kind streak in me and just
want to wing them. Oh well! I tried. :) It just seemed like my post
needed an NRA or Soldier of Fortune ending.

>I got to thinking (dangerous as a rule). I didn't go to school to learn
>about cars, but I had an uncle who was in the business as a mechanic
and he
>was a great tutor and resource when I got stuck and he had every kind
of
>shop manual you could imagine. Unfortunately, I realized the value of
those
>books way too late and they are long gone, except for the two I never
>returned.

That's going to school in my book. You can't find a better instructor
than what you had!

>He also introduced me to my wife, but I forgave him for that. :-)

You also paid tuition!

>If there was a good "How to" book, I don't think I would be afraid to
>tackle a rebuild with you guys and gals as a resource as long as I had
>plenty of time.

If a person wants to and has some mechanical aptitude it can be
done. My rule is, a rebuild starts with disassembly. If things aren't
kept in order coming down it's damn hard to build back up. What Gary and
I was pointing out is it's necessary to know the problems to know the
solutions. The top end will in most cases be all an engine needs when
it's lost that old get up and go. It's also not cheap doing it yourself
so to dive in on a rebuild when all that was needed was a tune-up can
end in a box of parts that may never go back together. There is a big
difference between rebuilding an engine and overhauling an engine. I
would recommend a person doing an overhaul for the first time or two
before going for a rebuild. But that's my opinion, I could be wrong!


Deacon
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:26:50 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement

>> but why not do a relatively stock rebuild on a
>> 300/6 Yourself? You send the block, heads and crank off to the
>> machine shop for whatever machine work You need on them anyway.
>> When they come back it's mostly a matter of cleaning everything,

>Ok, maybe I was being a mother hen. It can be done if one takes his
>time and gets the right books etc. AND you find a shop that will work
>with you and help you make the right choices on parts and clearances
>etc. and that will actually machine the right clearances into it.

Whether You do it Yourself or have someone else does it You still are
at the mercy of the machinist. If You find one who's competent and
reliable be nice to him and buy him a bottle of his favorite for xmas.
A good machinist is a mechanics best friend.

At least some of the common mistakes the machinist might make should
show up when You check bearing clearances (plastigauge) and piston/cyl
clearance with feeler gauge. If it doesn't seem right You have the option
of taking it back to the machinist and asking "hey, what..?" If someone
else assembles it, they may just say, "aww, that's close enough. We can't
spend all day on this, and it's just an old ford 6 so what difference?"
Time is money, eh?

>I honed my own cylinders and was very fussy about both size, taper
>and cross hatching but I broke a lot of stones since it was my first
>attempt and I kept getting into the main webs.

Yeah, I honed my FE cylinders and did lots of measuring with a piston
and feeler gauges. I put the old (120,000+mile) pistons back in with
new rings. So far so good. It's got 39,000 miles on it, uses about a
a qt./2700 miles of oil and no blowby. I expect it's good for at least
another 39,000 miles, probably lots more before I do a "full" rebuild
on it. I've honed a lot of cylinders before, but I still damaged a
stone getting in too deep...

>If you don't know some of this stuff how can you check their work?
>It all comes down to trust. Until you can do it all for yourself you
>have to trust someone else to get it right and you just showed us
>it's not predictable. .020 over in a .040 over hole?? That had to
>sound like a diesel :-(

Yeah, it had just a tad of piston slap. All that smoke sure keeps
the skeeters outa the garage tho...
I still can't imagine how they got 6 right and 2 wrong. A blind man
should have noticed that without even using the feeler gauges. Lots
of slop there...

>CLEAN is the magic word just like with auto trannys. You need a
>clean area that can be kept clean with a minimum of effort.

AMEN! Clean is the key. Dirt is not Your motors friend.

> If you
>have that and lots of patience and desire, go for it :-) (is this a
>retraction? :-))

It's good to have a wise old mother hen to look after the inexperianced,
but sooner or later they all gotta learn to fly.. (-:


Steve
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:26:52 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rebuilds and books

Gary wrote:
>>Ok, maybe I was being a mother hen. It can be done if one takes his
>>time and gets the right books etc. AND you find a shop that will work
>>with you and help you make the right choices on parts and clearances
>>etc. and that will actually machine the right clearances into it.

Books! A really good shop manual can be such a blessing during a rebuild!

A friend of mine bought a used "Service publications" "1967 Ford
and Mercury shop manual" for full sized sedans. These are the genuine
Ford shop manuals that were used in dealerships, etc. It was quite expensive
(like about $100 for a used, fragile copy) but it is AMAZING!

Anybody who can read can rebuild an engine if they have this book in hand.
It has very complete step by step rebuild instructions for 240, 289, 390 and
427 engines (about 40 pages for each engine) complete with good photos and
drawings showing how to measure stuff, etc.
Over 30 pages on rebuilding the 9" rear axle, including 2 pages of photos
on correct and incorrect dye patterns when adjusting the ring/pinion.
Rebuild instructions and full theory of operation for C4, C6, and FMX
trannies, including full hydraulic schematics, power flow diagrams and
cutaway drawings.
Service, troubleshooting,and rebuild of the manual trannies. (Including
top-loader)
Dozens of pages on theory and tuning of the 1bbl, 2bbl, 4bbl, and dual 4bbl
carbs used on those engines.
20 pages on troubleshooting the charging system, including full alternator
rebuild instructions. The list just goes on and on...
It's all simple to read, well explained, lots of good pictures, and layed
out to make it easy to find what You want.

Even tho the book is for a '67 "Full sized sedan" (Galaxie...), the amount
of info that's directly applicable to my '71 F100 is amazing. (-:
If You can find one, I highly recommend these old service publications books.
Even if You've gotta pay a C-note to get a beat up one, the info is
*well* worth it!

This one's pretty fragile, and I'm trying to get it archived so I can
access the info without subjecting the book to too much actual use, but
it's gonna eat up about 200 megs of hard drive to do it. And take a month
or 2 to scan it in...

Good books like that are worth their weight in gold!


Steve
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:32:29 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.

AMEN!

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> From: Jay Branscome
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 3:06 PM
> Can we get an AMEN here please!

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:33:41 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.

Chris wrote:
>Praises be unto the list makers,
>who hath created this place,
>Long may they run.
>


Wow! AMEN!

Steve

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:59:24 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems

Ahhhhh! I hope you wHere joking Stu! A wHig? What wHere you thinking? The
Whigs were a political party back in the 1700s. Next you'll be "axing"
questions! ;-)

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> From: Stu Varner
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 2:02 PM
>
> Reckon I should just get a whig!
>

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:05:12 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - f-150 weight

Bear,

>What is the weight (unloaded) of a 1978 F-150 XLT With a 351 M and a C-6?

My '79, f-150, 351M, C6, long bed, standard cab weighs right at 4,000 lbs
with a driver.

later,
dale c


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