61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 270



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Emergency Brake - Pull Lever or Pedal?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
> Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
> FTE 61-79 - long haired hippie type
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
> FTE 61-79 - 74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390 AT
Re: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
> Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
> Re: FTE 61-79 - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems
FTE 61-79 - targets and rebuilds
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 family....
FTE 61-79 - The legend and amen.

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:38:53 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Emergency Brake - Pull Lever or Pedal?

66 F100 has a pull lever located to the left of the steering wheel and
bolted underneath the dash.
John
66 F100 240-I6
68 LTD 302 w/AOD
96 Ranger Splash 4.0 (I hate liters)

From: Mike Warren
Anybody have any idea what type of emergency brake system is on a 1966
F100 - I had assumed it was a pedal, however people are mentioning it
might be a pull lever. - Also, where is it located? - I had been looking
for the pedal which is not there - where would the pull handle be?

Thanks
Mike
66 F100 Custom Cab - Short Bed

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:47:08 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems

:) I will agree strongly with, shooting
>people is a crime, owning a gun is a right! It scared the crap out
of me
>when OJ used a knife. I figured we would have to give up steak! :)

My dentures can't handle chewin steak with no knife! I banned
chest freezers
when Jeffrey Dahmer got caught and showed up in prison. Didn't want
anyone
getting the wrong idea about me! I use an upright now to keep my
steak er
um, what am i saying.......teachers can't afford steak! I mean
ground beef in.

Hey Stu; Steak is okay once of a Ford Blue Moon and only if you
buy/butcher your own steer. Besides us military and retired types are not
much better off :-)

John
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:51:07 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?

Put in a 460.

Jeff's Bronco Graveyard sells a kit with all the parts you will need.


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From: Gregory A. Bunton
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:21 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?


>Hello all, this is my first posting. I own a 78 Ford Bronco, and love it.
>I recently thought I needed a new Oil Pump...but the mechanic told me the
> engine is just about done. Now this truck is pretty much original....but I
>don't know whether to replace the engine or sell it. Any suggestions???
>
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:08:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Charging systems

> Hey Stu; Steak is okay once of a Ford Blue Moon and only if you
>buy/butcher your own steer. Besides us military and retired types are not
>much better off :-)
>

My brother Stevie (he's the mortician ;^| ) Not someone to make mad at
you, in West Virginia runs the old family farm (registered Herefords)and
butchers a half of one for me every year, my other brother gets the other
half, Stevie's a nice brother......too bad he owns a Chebby truck.....he's
the black sheep in the family!
Not because he likes Chebby's, but because it was the only thing he could find
that was 3/4 ton 4x4 at the time.

While I am really off topic, let me ask a normal, Ford truck related
question just to keep it honest and Ken off my back, :) I use this
forum sometimes beyond its intended limits and Ken never says a word. Thanks!

Anyone have a 70, 71, 72 instrument panel cover without the wood grain on it
sitting around waiting for a good home? Mine has the wood grain and I am
converting from Ranger trim to Custom trim inside and out! I don't need the
guts, just the cover!
thanks

stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:06:39 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
>
>From: Steve & Rockette
>> A buddy at work asked (axed??) me today if I could find out if
>>he could put F350 rear springs on his F100, he wants to use
>>it to haul his camper, it does have a Dana 60 in it now, with a
>>cheesy helper spring. What do you guys think??

It's still raining here but during a brake in the pouring rain, I
did a quick check. Both my '73 F100 and '76 F350 have 2 1/2" wide
springs and 54" long. However the F350 has spring stops for the helper
springs on the frame. Without the spring stops the helper springs will
do nothing. The frame on the F350 is a lot bigger than the F100's. It
looks possible to do but stops will need to be added on the frame.
It was still raining and I didn't look at them very long, so don't
take this as gospel. If you still need information on this when the rain
stops I'll be happy to get it for you.

Deacon
deconblu gte.net
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:20:10 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
>
Cool.


Could a couple of inches be gained by putting 350 springs on a 150?

79 Bronco to be specific.

ThanX
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From: Deacon
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
>

>From: Steve & Rockette
>> A buddy at work asked (axed??) me today if I could find out if
>>he could put F350 rear springs on his F100, he wants to use
>>it to haul his camper, it does have a Dana 60 in it now, with a
>>cheesy helper spring. What do you guys think??
>
>If it's not raining here in Southern California (it never rains. Ha!)
>tomorrow. I'll go take some measurements on my F350 and compare them to
>my F100. From looking at them, I don't see why not.
>
>
>Deacon
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - long haired hippie type


are you referring to "long haired, hippie-type, pinko fag"

it's a line from a Charlie Daniels song "Uneasy Rider" its about a
yankee boy travelling thru the south on the way to California and his
acquaintenance with some good ole boys at the Dew-Drop Inn in
Mississippi...classic song
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:40:29 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement

>> Almost any first-time engine builder who has a little
>> patience and is willing to ask some questions when they're not sure
>> about something can do as good a job as most proffesional shops.
>> Probably better, cuz You *really* care about how good a job gets
>> done, and they usually just care about getting paid and going
>> home.

>Steve, I agree that it's fun and very satisfying but I disagree with
>this statement, sorry. Been there and done that myself and there are
>little things a person simply doesn't have time to learn on the first
>rebuild just from reading books and asking questions. If you know
>what questions to ask you can get answers, but if you don't know a
>problem exists how do you phrase the question? I didn't get a real
>handle on it till I actually took a local CC class on rebuilding and
>bought a text book for the purpose.

Well, I'd concede that a good experianced engine builder knows the
little things to look for and the tricks of the trade, and has the
*potential* to do a better job. But they don't always...

I've been inside enough "profesionally" rebuilt motors that died
early deaths because the "professional" didn't pay attention.
Like a 350 ch*vy that was bored 0.040" over and had 6 +.040" pistons
in it and 2 +.020" pistons in it.(yeah, it smoked a little)
How about a datsun "mass rebuild warehouse" motor that ran for about
3500 miles before it ate all the main bearings. When we opened it we
found a bunch of hard gritty carbon stuff all embeded in the toasted
bearings. We used a gun cleaning rod and got about a tablespoon full
of crusty crap out of the oil galleys. Apparently the "rebuild" shop
was too busy to clean them out or something...
A company I worked for had a "reputable" bay area shop rebuild the
motor in a salesmans ch*vy, and it ran O.K, but never seemed to have
good power afterwards.
Later inspection revealed that the cam was installed one tooth off...
I worked on a *brand new*, very expensive german industrial diesel
> that broke its crankshaft after 80 hours of service. When we got the
pan off we discovered the rear main cap was laying in the sump. 5 others
were loose with the bolts no more than finger tight, and one seemed
to be fully torqued down. Ooops, guess someone forgot to torque all of 'em.

How does stuff like that happen? Because someone didn't pay attention,
didn't care, it was monday and they were hung-over, the boss was yelling
that the freight truck was gonna be here in an hour and that motor better
be ready to ship, add Your own excuse here...
That kind of stuff is totally avoidable when You do it Yourself.

Certainly there's lots of good shops out there turning out quality
motors, but unless You are on intimate terms with a small shop You really
don't know who's doing Your work. Is it a patient experianced builder
or some flunky that just got a job at his uncles shop for $7/hour after
he lost his burger-world job? Uhhhhh huhhuh, motor's are cool Beavis...
Does the shop really take the time to check the detail stuff, or do
they just try to get as many motors a month out the door as possible?
You pays Your money and You takes Your chances...

I wouldn't suggest someone with no experiance build a 8000RPM, high stressed,
"gotta get it just right or it'll grenade" type motor for a first rebuild,
but why not do a relatively stock rebuild on a 300/6 Yourself?
You send the block, heads and crank off to the machine shop for whatever
machine work You need on them anyway. When they come back it's mostly a matter
of cleaning everything, make sure no bolt holes are munged up and run a tap....

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