61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 265



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - terms
Re: FTE 61-79 - terms
FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 - need some answers
FTE 61-79 - wiper delay control
Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
RE: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 - need some answers
FTE 61-79 - Steering Still Loose - Appears not to be the Rag Joint
FTE 61-79 - Horn question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Memories
Re: FTE 61-79 - Horn question
FTE 61-79 - Re:F-111
FTE 61-79 - Art
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: window rattlers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:F-111
FTE 61-79 - speaking of Resto's. Where's Marco?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Battery-starter relay-alternator prob
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - speaking of Resto's. Where's Marco?
FTE 61-79 - driveshaft
Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Still Loose - Appears not to be the Rag Joint
Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:02:42 -0000
From: "FRED L HUBLER"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - terms

Pardon my ignorance, but what do the letters "FE" and "FT" stand for? I
know the standard (consumer grade) engine found in most cars and light
trucks in that engine family (i.e 332,352,360,390,406,427,428,330?) is
designated "FE" and the heavy duty or severe duty is designated "FT". I
have read about some of the difference in block castings, cranks, etc....
What I've never found out, though, is what the letters acutually stand for.
Any body know??
Fred
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:55:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - terms

At 08:02 AM 5/12/98 +0000, you wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance, but what do the letters "FE"

FE Ford Edsel
FT Ford Truck - medium to severe duty commercial stuff

and "FT" stand for? I
>know the standard (consumer grade) engine found in most cars and light
>trucks in that engine family (i.e 332,352,360,390,406,427,428,330?) is
>designated "FE" and the heavy duty or severe duty is designated "FT". I
>have read about some of the difference in block castings, cranks, etc....
>What I've never found out, though, is what the letters acutually stand for.
> Any body know??

Buy Steve Christs book called How to rebuild you bigblock Ford!
Very informative!
Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:11:04 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 - need some answers

>2nd -The Selector on the steering colomn is also broken (the part you
>grab to change the gear - automatic transmission) so I currently just
>grip the column and change the gear - can this be replaced or do I need
>a whole new steering colomn.
>
Has the pin that holds the lever in place busted out the holes? That's the
way my '64 was when I got it. I had a hard time finding the collar but
finally located an NOS part from Green Sales at (800)543-4959. That's been
a few years ago but I think it was around $45. I pulled the column to
replace the part and repainted it while I was at it.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:15:35 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wiper delay control

My son purchased a wiper delay control for me as a present from JC Whitney.
They now have a model for about the same price with a mist button, which I
wish I had. I think it runs about $15 plus shipping, which as someone
mentioned earlier, may be $15 more. If you don't mind an under dash unit,
mine works great and it comes with instructions for wiring it in to
different systems. you might be able to finds a similar unit at Autozone,
HiLo, Pep Boys, etc.

You can also wire in a momentary switch that you could get from Radio Shack
or the above mentioned parts stores. If you wire it in at the same location
as your low speed switch, it will give you the mist function, but no
automatic delay feature.


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
1979 MC (my son is rebellious)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:21:50 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

i tHOUGHT AN F-111 was a fighter aircraft. Never seen one on the
streets. :) LOL

>From: papacat webtv.net
>Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:42:55 -0400
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>i have played with fords from the 29 a model
>to now and i have never heard of a f-111
>what is it and where can i see a picture of
>one??????????????
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:22:07 -0500
From: Mike Warren
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 - need some answers

It appears that the only think wrong is that the lever itself has
snapped off - and does not appear to be a way to put it back on (let
alone I do not know where it is). The Collar on the steering shaft is in
good shape, just the lever is gone.

Can anybody recommend a Ford Parts service - I have seen many catalogs
on the web, but do not want to order from all of them, as all the
catalogs are about $7 each.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Strauss [SMTP:jstrauss inetport.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 8:11 AM
> To: Ford Trucks List
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 - need some answers
>
> >2nd -The Selector on the steering colomn is also broken (the part you
> >grab to change the gear - automatic transmission) so I currently just
> >grip the column and change the gear - can this be replaced or do I
> need
> >a whole new steering colomn.
> >
> Has the pin that holds the lever in place busted out the holes?
> That's the
> way my '64 was when I got it. I had a hard time finding the collar
> but
> finally located an NOS part from Green Sales at (800)543-4959. That's
> been
> a few years ago but I think it was around $45. I pulled the column to
> replace the part and repainted it while I was at it.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:26:52 -0500
From: Mike Warren
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Still Loose - Appears not to be the Rag Joint

I reexamined the Rag Joint, on my steering colomn, and appears to be OK,
the bolts (not the pins) are still in good shape, so the pins are not
actually being used (however it appears that they were used before- and
are pretty worn). What else could be causing the loose steering?

Thanks
Mike
66 F100
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: craig001 mc.duke.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horn question

Does anyone have a diagram or good description of the components that
make up the horn for a 70 F100? Floor shifter, if that matters. I have
the horn and relay, but there seems to be some stuff missing from the
steering column.

Is this truck supposed to have self-c*anceling turn signals? Or is
mine just broke. (Actually, I kind of like driving down the highway
with my turn signal going. The other cars REALLY avoid me.)

Also, I'm embarrassed to admit, I couldn't get the steering wheel off.
I removed the big nut at the hub and yanked, pounded, pried and shook,
but no luck. My wheel puller would not slide in the gap behind the
wheel to get a grip. Is there anything else I need other than
steroids?

Thanks for any clues, I don't have any.

Damian

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:11:45 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Memories

Thanks for your message at 06:21 AM 5/12/98 PDT, Jay Branscome. Your
message was:
>i tHOUGHT AN F-111 was a fighter aircraft. Never seen one on the
>streets. :) LOL

I've seen them from the street, er road, well sort of road at the end of an
airstrip in Chu Lai where we would pull off and have a smoke...Seemed like
we could reach up and grab a ride hanging from the landing gear.
And talk about nice pipes...sounded like my 429 with the dumps wide
open...Never thought I'd be sitting here trying to make a connection
between an F111 and a Ford Truck...I did end up getting stuck on the beach
in a Ford 4x4 with a non-existent transfer case, but that's another
story...

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:09:29 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horn question

>From: craig001 mc.duke.edu
>Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:45 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horn question
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
> Does anyone have a diagram or good description of the components
that
> make up the horn for a 70 F100? Floor shifter, if that matters. I
have
> the horn and relay, but there seems to be some stuff missing from
the
> steering column.
>
> Is this truck supposed to have self-c*anceling turn signals? Or is
> mine just broke. (Actually, I kind of like driving down the
highway
> with my turn signal going. The other cars REALLY avoid me.)
>
> Also, I'm embarrassed to admit, I couldn't get the steering wheel
off.
> I removed the big nut at the hub and yanked, pounded, pried and
shook,
> but no luck. My wheel puller would not slide in the gap behind the
> wheel to get a grip. Is there anything else I need other than
> steroids?
>
> Thanks for any clues, I don't have any.
>
> Damian
>
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Yes your truck had self-c*anceling turn signals. You probally have a
couple of busted lugs on the c*anceler. 2nd Get a smaller wheel puller.
You should have two small threaded holes next to the large nut. Take off
the nut, thread the two bolts from the puller into those two holes and
tighten down the center bolt. Good Luck

Jay

JBMAN100 Hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:17:41 -0700
From: tom
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:F-111

Don Grossman wins the door prize -

the F-111 is a short box 4x4

Don, I recognize that email address, your in Willits arent you? - We corresponded a
yr or so ago about putting the big block in to the truck. Had some computer problems
and lost my address book so kind a lost touch. The truck is coming along slow but
sure. Finally got the engine running this past weekend. what a great feeling! Now I
need to get a drive shaft made to connect the NP 435 to the divorced Dana 24. Looks
like a rear drive shaft fromm an old jeep wagoneeer has the right yokes and
universals. the local driveline guy said he could shorten and balance it for about
$60. I'll probably go that route unless I find a better solution in the next 3 days.

Hopefully my F-111 will get a little better mileage than the one you guys are
talkin' about!

Tom
Almost drivin' it in Reno,NV

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:36:33 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Art

>how about a floor shifter? just got a letter from my city that i can't
>have junk truck on property inside or running are my choices. junk !!
>they just don't know a pieceof art when it looks them in the face..

Yeah, but if you had an old commmode in your front yard sprouting flowers
they'd let you by with that...go figure.
Come on over to my Back Porch
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Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:12:54 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: window rattlers

yea, but that ain't what it sounds like!

- ----------
From: tom[SMTP:tom spp53.sppco.com]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 4:43 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: window rattlers

Uh sleddog,
Window rattlers are all the channel, pads etc to keep the windows FROM rattling.
Tom
Reno,NV


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:56:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

At 08:42 PM 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>i have played with fords from the 29 a model
>to now and i have never heard of a f-111
>what is it and where can i see a picture of
>one??????????????

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
5,000 lb GVW 4x4 F-100 known in the world of Ford's secret and paranoid
coded numbering system as an F-111.


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:20:56 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:F-111

tom wrote:

> Don Grossman wins the door prize -
>
> the F-111 is a short box 4x4
>
> Don, I recognize that email address, your in Willits arent you? - We corresponded a
> yr or so ago about putting the big block in to the truck. Had some computer problems
> and lost my address book so kind a lost touch. The truck is coming along slow but
> sure. Finally got the engine running this past weekend. what a great feeling! Now I
> need to get a drive shaft made to connect the NP 435 to the divorced Dana 24. Looks
> like a rear drive shaft fromm an old jeep wagoneeer has the right yokes and
> universals. the local driveline guy said he could shorten and balance it for about
> $60. I'll probably go that route unless I find a better solution in the next 3 days.
>
> Hopefully my F-111 will get a little better mileage than the one you guys are
> talkin' about!
>
> Tom
> Almost drivin' it in Reno,NV
>

That was a while ago. I have been keeping some mileage logs for the past 600 miles or
so. 67 390 with 4v stock intake Edelbrock 600 carb and headers I averaged a 9.7 mpg.
That included a 320 mile round trip from home to Sacramento Ca. I have an extra one in
the garage but you will need new u-joints for it. It takes the standard 1/2 ton
u-joints just like the rest of the drive shafts.

These old trucks wern't made to go fast ;)



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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:39:27 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - speaking of Resto's. Where's Marco?

Has anyone seen Marco as of late? How is his resto going?


- --
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:59:26 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Battery-starter relay-alternator prob

At 05:25 PM 5/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I've got a '67 f100 95% restored to original. Saturday I'm taking it to a
>car show. In preparation for the show, I was cleaning the engine compartment
>and while reconnecting the negative cable to the battery, there was static
>electricity. I noticed the cable running from the starter relay switch to the
>alternator was smoking at the alternator terminal. I immediately
>disconnected the contact on the negative battery terminal. I can't figure
>out why this happened. I'm thinking my new starter relay switch went bad.
>This would make the 3rd relay switch I've gone through in 3mos. Anyone have
>any ideas?

If the alternator output(fat wire) is drawing current(big spark, smoking
terminal) from the battery, You've got a bad alternator.(shorted output diodes)
The diodes turn the AC current from the alternator's stator windings into DC
current for the battery and stuff. The diodes also prevent current from
flowing from the battery back thru the stator windings when the engine is
off. Sounds like time for a new alternator, altho the diodes *are* available
and replaceable if You're the adventurous type...


Steve
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:04:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headlights

> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 23:28:58 -0700
> From: Mike & Cheryl Haldeman
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headlights

> problem with the instrument panel. When the headlights are on and
> the left turn signal is turned on the high beam indicator flashes
> and the left turn arrow dims. When the head lights are off they work

Can't help you with the head light problem but the instrument
problem is probably a shorted filiment in one of the tail lights.
This back feeds power through the wiring to the headlights on some
systems when the brakes or turnsignals are used.

Maybe I can help on the head light thing too. There are some rubber
plugs under the hood that connect various parts of the lighting
system and these are very prone to bad connections. Pull them apart
and replug them several times and use silicone grease on the tines
and sockets for a better connection.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:15:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - speaking of Resto's. Where's Marco?

At 09:39 AM 5/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Has anyone seen Marco as of late? How is his resto going?

I talked to him him the other day (last week) . His resto is going along
slowly, not as slow as mine, BUT, he is just very busy with work........I
hope I am not breeching privacy but there may have been a pretty little
female here and there. more there than here, and of course Kyaking (his
first love) and, well, you get the picture! He is supposed to let me know
something this weekend. We try to keep updated with each other every week
or so. I am unsure if he is on the list still. His email address has changed!

Stu
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:51:00 -0400
From: FORD-TRUCK-70 webtv.net (RANDY D)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft

i have a 1978 f150 i am trying to take the driveshaft out to replace a
ujoint it has a carrierbarring 2 piece shaft i am trying to take out the
section closest to the rearend does it screw apart ? if so left hand
thread or right ? i can turn it but it does not seem to be coming off
and i cant get the ujoint out until i get it off
thanks for any help .
P.S. wish i could go to the show would love to meet you guys. KEN did
you get my pics of my truck . THANKS

RANDY
1970
F100
SWB 2WD
351w
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:56:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

>He's young Stu. He doesn't know your Eddy Hasskel (Leave it to Beaver)
>persona.

Eddy Haskel????? Ouch .....baby! That hurt. More like Larry
Hovis.....think about that one from the mid to late 60's tv series Hogan's
Heroes!
Not Eddy Haskel.......that really hurt, I guess I never liked him much.
Beaver was my favorite....still is!!!!!!
>
>> Deacon; living out in left field somewhere, but always a hoot.
>>
>>Understatement of the century! :)
>
>It's under the left field bleachers. Can't see the game but the view is
>great! The lack of one that is. :) (The goodie goodies on the list won't
>get that one right away). I will say, I'm not alone. There's a couple
>(or more) that come back here slumming.
>
>>As the son of a former Marine Corp Sgt (1950-1956)

He was 15 when he enlisted, bad homelife caused him to run away......he
loved every minute of it!
Ford truck content......he drives a 95 Ranger and he loves it!
Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:13:15 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Still Loose - Appears not to be the Rag Joint

One of 2 things are possible, a bad tie-rod end on the draglink, or The
staering box needs adjusted.. To adjust the stearing box loosen the large
nut on the side of the box (the one with the bolt sticking out of the
middle with a flathead scredriver slot in it) now gently tighten the
adjustment bolt, when snug slowly turn the stearing wheel back & forth, now
snug the adjuster up again. should tighten the stearing up...

Mike Warren wrote:

> I reexamined the Rag Joint, on my steering colomn, and appears to be OK,
> the bolts (not the pins) are still in good shape, so the pins are not
> actually being used (however it appears that they were used before- and
> are pretty worn). What else could be causing the loose steering?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
> 66 F100
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:56:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:12:51 -0500
> From: Bill Adams
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

> >For a logo to put on the hat you could put "FTN" or "FTN's" inside
> >a blue oval and it would be pretty self explanitory. -- Gary --
>
> And what does FTN stand for in this context?

Ford Truck Nut. I was trying to use something like "Galloots" but I
think there's already a bunch calling themselves by that and I forgot
we're already Ford Truck Enthusiasts which is a more high falutin way
of saying the same dang thing really I guess.

After looking at the "SUV" site on the web maybe we should call
ourselves "The ordinary car owner's worst nightmare" or some such.
Or Green Power enemy #1 or ROCOW (roll over champs of the world) or
"mean, nasty big truck freak who won't let me see the traffic".

You should see this site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.howard.net/ban-suvs.htm

These guys are obviousely just jealous. I got my first "big" truck
(75 ford van) when I couldn't see around or over traffic,
inconsiderate traffic that is, cars, not trucks. I've noticed most
truckers know they are bigger and stay back so cars CAN see around
them since the truckers can see OVER the cars they don't need to be
right up on the line.

One of the most obnoxious drivers I encountered drove a hopped up
Ranger but refused to lower his head light adjustment to compensate....


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