61-79-list-digest Monday, May 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 263



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Enthused
Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twin piston calipers
Re: FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers/external hubs
Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....
FTE 61-79 - For Stu!! AC questions
FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
RE: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
FTE 61-79 - window rattlers
FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answers
Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE
Re: FTE 61-79 - '69 360 starter/solenoid problem
FTE 61-79 - '66 F-100 Answers...
Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?
FTE 61-79 - RE: Headlights

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:17:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Enthused

At 10:32 AM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Stu writes: >>I am shooting for next year with the truck and beleive it or
>not, my wife is pumped about me taking my truck next show. In fact, she
>even wants to go to share in the show experience.
>I need to figure out what she has been doing differently to show so much
>enthuisasm!
>I am perplexed!
>
>Did she, by chance, see your "post" expressing your desire to have a wife
>supportive and helpful in your Ford Truck Hobbies????????

No, she is somewhat computer illiterate, i think she just wants to have her
garage
and part of the shop back. :)

She really is a sweetie! I guess i shouldn't be so hard on her!
After all, it is her Overtime that buys extra truck parts!

Stu
Nuke GM!


Azie, you thinkin about goin to Pigeon Forge??

>

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:51:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

>Thanks for the encouragement, Deacon. Since I started reading this digest
>I've found out why dad goes straight to the e-mail everytime he comes in.
>I've only been reading it for about three weeks but I already find myself
>looking for certain names. Azie; he always seems to have an answer to a Ford
>question (seems to be right too). Stu; always helpful and courteous to
>everyone.

Oh boy, do I have you snowed!!
See, Deacon, I told you I was a nice guy!!

Deacon; living out in left field somewhere, but always a hoot.

Understatement of the century! :)

>
>P.S. I've found a use for the list I bet Mr. Payne never intended. I know
>my dad will read this on the digest, so I can tell him some things without
>getting in his face (always a VERY bad idea!)

As the son of a former Marine Corp Sgt (1950-1956)
It is amazing how much my father has learned since I turned 18 years old in
1984!
Just a thought! :)
These young minds today are so creative!!
Stu
Nuke GM!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 06:43:58 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

Thanks for your message at 10:30 AM 5/9/98 -0400, Melayne Arnold. Your
message was:
> I could ask dad to help me but that turns into a problem.
>Don't get me wrong, he's been a great help on this and I love it when he
>just comes out, sits in his chair and we talk while I work on it. The
>problem is he can't stand to just watch for long, then he's standing over my
>shoulder watching, then he has a hand in, and before long I'm just washing
>parts and handing him tools just like when I was ten. Bummer.


Er, uh....ya think yer dad could come over and "talk" to me next time I
start a job?

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:01:11 -0700
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twin piston calipers

BDIJXS wrote:
>
> Hey Ox,
>
> Just went through the dual piston deal you are going through. I found it was
> cheaper to get the rebuilt caliper unit than to buy the piston kits and do it
> myself! The rebuilt units were $45 plus a $5 core....I think they call them an
> "unloaded" unit, meaning no brake shoes included....
>
> Good luck,
> Thanks,

That price is not too bad. I was thinking 100$ or more. What is your
guys recomendations on piston material. I have two sets, one is alum
piston, the other is steel. I assume steel would hold up better, since
the galvanic monsters seem to get the alumn one's. I tend to have my
axles submerged a lot.

OX
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:05:44 -0700
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers/external hubs

Michael R. Masse wrote:
>
> I haven't priced them, but if it'll help I have an extra one that you
> can just have if you want.

Thanks!!!!, I appreciate it, but if they are only 45$ or so, I'll just
buy rebuilt.

> Also question for you. Does the 60 use the
> same rotors as the 44HD? I'm just curious.
>

On 78-79 stuff, yes. I'm not positive on the earlier stuff you
have(external hubs and all). I also found out my dana 60 front has
external hubs. I didn't know what external hubs were until I took them
apart. I like the idea of no springs. Postitive locking and unlocking. No
guess work. I thought mine was an earlier axle, but the ring gear is
stamped 12-16-78. Ordering Detroit and axle seals today.

OX
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:09:32 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs

KEVIN...Keep Trying. I had to post my question 5 times before anyone
answered it. Got some good information as a result.

Jay


>From: "Kevin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:05:24 -0000
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>I have sent this post twice, it looks like you do not want to give a
person
>an answer (Ken, Sledddog). Oh-well good by again!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 6:17 AM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
>
>
>>My front leaf springs on my 64 Ford have just about seen there last
bounce.
>>Any advice on what to do? I don't want to go through the trouble of
>>independent front suspension. Is there any late model vehicle I can
use the
>>springs off of?
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:39:24 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....

Thanks for your message at 02:02 PM 5/8/98 -0700, Deacon. Your message was:
> >
>>I remember studying tassles, but not on fez's ( At least I don't think
>>that's what they called 'em).
>
>No matter how funny you think it would be Dennis, do not show up wearing
>pasties.
>
>>I apologize for all of this. My week just ended and I'm a little
>Deacony.
>>I'm jumping into my FT 351C and hitting the road. Those students
>better
>>stay out of my way!
>
>Danger Will Robertson Danger! If anyone sees a big old bearded guy at a
>Ford function wearing nothing but pasties with twirling tassels, say hi
>to Dennis! :)

Well, we just lost the weak-of-heart (and stomache).

I'd have to come to CA to make it work, anyway.

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:47:41 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - For Stu!! AC questions

The five prong plug? That goes to the switch doesn't it?

Sorry for this post, I can't get to Stu's e-mail. Our servers
don't like each other.

Later,

-Ted
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From: Ted Freeman
To: varners ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us
Subject: FW: AC
Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 10:45AM


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From: Ted Freeman
To: varners ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us
Subject: AC
Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 10:42AM

Stu,

Hey man!! This weekend!! I'll have your heater there for ya!
I removed that bad boy Saturday morning. Took me about
2 hrs total. Not to bad. Only problem I found was a connector
on the side of the unit. It has 2 coils inside. I have no clue as to
what they do. I'll show you what I'm talking about this weekend.
It's a small minor piece that you should be able to pick up for
next to nothing at a boneyard. I'll check with some here, if it
dries out.

Question, there is a plug on the AC unit. It is a five prong
female plug with a red, brown, blue, yellow and one other
color (d*mn memory). What does this plug into?

The wires for the compressor clutch plug goes where?

The other thing I did while I had everything apart was to change the
bezels on the controls. Yours was all black on the inside where mine
was argent and black. I'm sure I will have other questions as I start the
install. I do have pics of mine, still have to get them developed. I'll=20
have
them for Saturday.

Later,

-Ted
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:45:08 -0700
From: tom
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

Have any of you folks ever tried the door window rattler kits from
Obsolete Ford Parts?
Thinking of trying them on my 62 Ford F111.
Tom
Reno,NV



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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:53:10 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs

all i can say is get new ones. either from another truck, or from a spring
shop. measure your spring width, length, leaves, hole size, etc. and go
shopping in the scrap yard if you choose that route. i know not what years
may be the same.

you could get them rearched, but they still tend to loose the arch after
awhile anyway.

since you said you didn't want to go thru the trouble of indepenant front
suspension, i guess the mustang II front is out of the question . . .

sleddog



>From: "Kevin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:05:24 -0000
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>I have sent this post twice, it looks like you do not want to give a
person
>an answer (Ken, Sledddog). Oh-well good by again!
>>My front leaf springs on my 64 Ford have just about seen there last
bounce.
>>Any advice on what to do? I don't want to go through the trouble of
>>independent front suspension. Is there any late model vehicle I can
use the
>>springs off of?



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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:57:20 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - window rattlers

uh, why would i want my windows to rattle? is this something new the LA
low riders came up with? not just bounce the car but rattle the winsows!
i got enough rattles in my head with out my windows doin' it!

sleddog

Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit
of the goal. -- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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From: tom[SMTP:tom spp53.sppco.com]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 11:45 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

Have any of you folks ever tried the door window rattler kits from
Obsolete Ford Parts?
Thinking of trying them on my 62 Ford F111.
Tom
Reno,NV






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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:11:42 -0500
From: Mike Warren
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answers

I purchased a 1966 F100 from a friend (it was his grandfathers), anyway
- - It is a Custom Cab with Short Wheel Base and Short Bed. For the most
part it runs great, however there are a few problems I am working on.

1st - The Steering is a little loose, but it appears to be a connecting
plate between the steering colomn and the steering box - that is round,
and has 2 or 3 pegs that are worn. The plate that holds the pegs is
really worn as well. thus causing the loose steering - It this plate
replaceable or is it going to need a whole new steering column. -

2nd -The Selector on the steering colomn is also broken (the part you
grab to change the gear - automatic transmission) so I currently just
grip the column and change the gear - can this be replaced or do I need
a whole new steering colomn.

3rd - The complete emergency brake is missing along with cables and so
forth. Does anybody know where I can get this part? I need it to get the
truck inspected. - any idea on cost?

So far that is my current project for the truck - I am trying to keep
costs down and only repair the most important parts as of now.

Thanks
Mike Warren
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:24:48 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs

Sleddog wrote:

> all i can say is get new ones. either from another truck, or from a spring
> shop. measure your spring width, length, leaves, hole size, etc. and go
> shopping in the scrap yard if you choose that route. i know not what years
> may be the same.
>
> you could get them rearched, but they still tend to loose the arch after
> awhile anyway.
>
> since you said you didn't want to go thru the trouble of indepenant front
> suspension, i guess the mustang II front is out of the question . . .
>
> sleddog
>
> >From: "Kevin"
> >I have sent this post twice, it looks like you do not want to give a
> person
> >an answer (Ken, Sledddog). Oh-well good by again!
> >>My front leaf springs on my 64 Ford have just about seen there last
> bounce.
> >>Any advice on what to do? I don't want to go through the trouble of
> >>independent front suspension. Is there any late model vehicle I can
> use the
> >>springs off of?
>

Hey it does take some of us who don't check the mail on a regular basis a
while to get back up to speed.

Like sleddog said go to the wreckers first and look for a good set. You are
most likely not going to find a set of off the shelf spring that are going to
fit your application. The more expensive route is to pop for new springs but
you will get new bushings (bronze or rubber) and know that in 3 months you are
not going to be back in the same boat changing springs. The spring shop will
need all the relavant dimentions for your springs or might even need the
springs. Check with the local spring shops and also some of the bigger shops
that are in some of the rodding mags.

bye

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:12:51 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 16:52:20 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

>For a logo to put on the hat you could put "FTN" or "FTN's" inside a
>blue oval and it would be pretty self explanitory.
>-- Gary --


How 'bout a solid "Ford Blue" cap with FTE in large white letters? The
general public would think nothing of it, but a list member would see it
two miles away.

Just 'a thought

First of all, I like Mikes cap idea. An alternate might be a smaller
rendition of the FTE window sticker on the front of the cap.

Second, I had no Idea I would create such a stir when I started this
thread.


And what does FTN stand for in this context?
I remember we used to write it on bathroom walls when I was in the Navy,
and I know what it meant there.

L8re
Bill Adams

The WoodButcher's Shop
"http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/heartland/plains/6640"

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:21:07 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '69 360 starter/solenoid problem

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:07:37 -0700
From: tom
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '69 360 starter/solenoid problem

wired and ready to go. New starter etc. Cranked it to circulate oil and
when I turned the key to off it just kept cranking! My first thought was

a bad solenoid (its a separate, firewall mounted unit). Changed it -
same thing happened. Next thought was the ignition switch. pulled it,
isolated it and used remote switch clipped right on the solenoid. Same
result - keeps cranking until battery terminal is pulled. Now I'm at a
loss for what to do. Any sugestions would be apprieciated!!

Thanks in advance,
Tom
Baffled in Reno,NV

Tom,
It sounds like your solendoid is sticking in "on" position, Change it.

I've had this happen to me before on my 66 352.
Ford starter solenoids have always been a PITA, I carry a spare wherever
I go.


An alternate possibility if changing it doesn't work, you may have it
wired wrong.

Hope this helps.


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Bill Adams

The WoodButcher's Shop
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: ROSITCH ssrl.slac.stanford.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '66 F-100 Answers...

Mike,
The steering joint in question is commonly called the "rag joint" and is
still available at your local Ford dealer. Take your old joint with you
and match it up (several numbers will work, it's easier to match it).
The space between the joints is normal- kind of a fail-safe if the joint
fails (you'll see when you get it out). It's been a while since I worked
on the shift selector parts, maybe someone else has more recent experience.

Don Rositch
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:25:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs

I receive 100-300 hundred list related emails *per day*, sometimes
more. I don't have time to answer everyone's questions nor should
I, I'm not anyone's personal mechanic. Sometimes it takes me days
to even get to the list postings because the administrative emails
sometimes flood me all at once. Example, twice a month AOL kills
the email accounts of people who no longer use their service. I
usually get flooded with hundreds of bounced emails for 2-3 days
after that. Or a popular ISP's mail server goes down, or etc....
Lately I've been extremely busy preparing for the Pigeon Forge
show and the list change-over. I've spend 4 hours each night on
this for the last 4 weeks and I still have 28 items left on my
"to-do" list.

And lastly, in response to your question, why replace old worn
out springs with old worn out springs from a junk yard truck?
Someone posted a leaf spring company's web on this list in the
last few months. This company supposedly can get you anything.
Anyone remember who it was?

- -Ken

>
>I have sent this post twice, it looks like you do not want to give a
person
>an answer (Ken, Sledddog). Oh-well good by again!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 6:17 AM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
>
>
>>My front leaf springs on my 64 Ford have just about seen there last
bounce.
>>Any advice on what to do? I don't want to go through the trouble of
>>independent front suspension. Is there any late model vehicle I can
>use the
>>springs off of?
>>
>>
>>


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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:30:35 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?

Well, I crawled up under the '68 F250 in question and it's got a C-6. This
truck is in very original condition, it has yet to even have a radio put in
it (wasn't somebody looking for a radio delete plate a few weeks ago?) so,
while I have no proof, I bet this is the original tranny. So I guess my
Red Book and my ID book are both full of baloney when they show the C-4 as
the only available auto trans in '67, '68 and '69.

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:05:42 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Headlights

Mike &/Or Cheryl,
The two problems could be related. I've had similar problems with my
instrument panel that turned out to be a bad socket for the front left
hand turn signal. The contacts had corroded and there was not a good
ground for the lamp. When the headlamps were on the left turn signal
indicator would glow. Try grounding the turn signal lamp with the
headlamps on. A bad or loose ground could be the problem with your
headlights too. The bad things about these problems is they are not
obvious. Since you say the truck is rusty then check all of the
grounds. The headlamp/turnsignal harness has one behind the lamps
bolted to the radiator support. Look behind the grill. It is hard to
spot. Also, are your turn singnal lenses cracked or missing. This is
what caused my problem.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Tom H.




Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 23:28:58 -0700
From: Mike & Cheryl Haldeman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headlights

I have been lurking to this list for several months, feel like I already
know some of you. Wish I could join everybody at Pigeon Forge but no
dice this year.
I have a 1976 F250 with 360, C6 and lots of rust. While leaving work the
other night I turned on my headlights, turned them back off so another
co-worker could see oncoming traffic, then turned them back on. Nothing,
nada, zippo. It is a real thrill to drive home at 12:30 a.m. with no
lights. Tailights, brake lights and all accessories still worked AFAIK.
I checked the fuses but they are all okay. Any ideas?
I also have a problem with the instrument panel. When the headlights are
on and the left turn signal is turned on the high beam indicator flashes
and the left turn arrow dims. When the head lights are off they work
normally. Everything outside works fine either way. Any ideas on this
one?
Finally, does anyone have a copy of a wiring diagram for this truck that....

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