61-79-list-digest Sunday, May 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 260



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement
FTE 61-79 - F-100 nationals parade
re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Pressu
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Press
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion
FTE 61-79 -Correction: Pigeon Forge pavillion
FTE 61-79 - Colorado Truck Fest
FTE 61-79 - Traction Bars
FTE 61-79 - engine
> FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers
FTE 61-79 - Soft Brakes update
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers
FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
> FTE 61-79 - Headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 16:34:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement

> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:52:30 -0400
> From: "THE PAVIES'"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement

> look-see at whats really in there. But it's hard to believe Ford
> used rope as an oil seal. Sounds like something you'd use as an
> emergency temporary fix but not as something permanent. Maybe I can
> wind some string around and stick gum on it.

Ever use a bow and arrow? Ever try to make your own bow string?
Ever try to make one work with no wax on it? What happens when you
wax it?

The rope seals were very durable but very difficult to replace and
not too forgiving of worn bearings but were used by many manufactures
back then. I haven't seen one in so long I can't remember if there
is any rubber parts to them but there was no rod so thay can't be
driven out like the rubber ones, they have to be pulled out or the
engine has to be pulled and worked on on a stand.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 15:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-100 nationals parade

for those of you who are planning to go ...and meet for the parade
(previously reported to be at 12:00 noon...

word from Pat Ford the organizer of the show..

Parade is at 5:00 p.m. on Saturday...just like every year...

the plan to meet is still a good idea but the parade won't be there
to meet us at 12 noon

c yall there....I'm getting all giddy

john
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Date: Fri, 8 May 98 17:26:31 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

RGR
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From "Melayne Arnold" , on 5/8/98 5:08 PM:
To: SMTP3 SMTP3 MCB LEJEUNE[]

Deacon,
Thanks for the thought but Susie is full of oil. I've still got an old
distributor made into an oiler in her and I go out every 4 or 5 days and
hook a drill up to it to keep the top end covered in oil.

For Sgt Whitehead: my dad sez OOO-f___ing-RAH!

Bud Arnold

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 16:15:15 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Pressu

>What I'm trying to say is that you can use the vacuum gauge to help
>you find the sweet spot and improve the economy but you have to make
>all your tests on level ground with a very steady throttle to get an
>accurate value to compare to. On a hill all you are showing is how
>far you have the pedal down which is what you see on level ground too
>but on a hill you have no way to reference anything for comparison.
>(well I suppose you could if the hill were long enough and
>consistant)

I see your point. That is why I'm changing rear end gears so I can get the
highway cruise rpm in the sweet spot range. I can get a 3.50 and 3.90:1
ring and pinion sets from my Uncle so I have a choice of the two. With the
3.50:1, I would be turning ~2100 at 70 Mph. Not turning fast enough -
espcially if I'm fighting a head wind. With the 3.9oos I will turn ~2400
at 70. That leaves me with enough horespower to sustain speed through wind
and road changes. (hills, etc.)


>The guys at Reider Racing tried to tell me that I should gear my
>truck to run 2400-2500 rpm at 60 for best economy but the fact that
>ford uses 1800 rpm almost across the board and manages to get 30 mpg
>in the tbirds for instance tells me that it's all in the cam. You
>need to gear it to the cam. A torque cam should handle lower rpm at
>criuse and get better mileage, all other things being equal but there
>are torque cams and then there are..............

Stock engines probably have cams in the 190-195 duration which produce a
lot more torque. I used to have more torque, but I put on full length 1
1/2" primary headers and 2 1/4" dual exhaust with Dynomax Super Turbos.
Back pressure has dropped and low end torque has suffered. I have an
Edelbrock 600 CFM carb w/Edlebrock Performer intake and 9.6:1 CR. I run
93 octane at all times and a lot of mechanical advance. At idle I have it
a 16 degrees, then by 1500 RPM I'm already at 25 degrees. I max out at
3000 RPMs with 30-35 degrees.

>I've found that it really does depend on the application and your
>driving style. A 302 in a 5k# brick needs more gear no matter what
>cam you put in it but a 460 for instance can tolerate much taller
>gearing in the same vehicle and get better economy than it would
>running it at the rpm considered to be it's sweet spot. I'm
>reasonably sure the torque peak on my 460 is well above 1800 but
>that's about where it runs at 60 and does better than it did with
>lower gearing.

I'd go for more cubes any day, but I'm stuck with the 'lil 306 and for it's
size it does a pretty good job - sometimes. That truck can snap from a
standstill in a hurry. Co-workers were surprised to find out it is just a
306.

>I don't want to tell anyone how to set up their truck but if I were
>doing it myself I'd take a look at all the parts and see what I could
>change to make the engine more responsive at lower rpm and then look
>at the gearing if it still wasn't enough but my bronco is a daily
>driver and I don't tow with it much so economy is sort of at the top
>of my list. The pu has plenty of oooommph with the tall gearing so I
>don't need to fix it but the bronco is in the back of my head all the
>time, should I or shouldn't I try something taller, lower.....:-)
>-- Gary --

Only other mod I'd like to make is to put on a better/hotter ignition
system. Everything on my truck has been worked over. I'm running out of
things to do to my truck.. Once I get the rear end gears in, all that is
left is body work and a paint job. Engine is new, new OD tranny, and
proper rear end gears. Suspension is great, interior is great (could be
better). I now have air conditioning (truck was not factory equipped with
AC). System uses R134a refigerant and it is a factory AC setup - no under
dash thing.

Now if I can just keep my amplifier from turning off and on by itself, I'll
be a happy camper. Stick a humdinger 130 amp alty in there and power the
neighborhood. yeah now we're cooking :-)

Mike

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:23:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Press

> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 16:15:15 -0500
> From: Mike Schwall
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel
> Now if I can just keep my amplifier from turning off and on by
> itself, I'll be a happy camper. Stick a humdinger 130 amp alty in
> there and power the neighborhood. yeah now we're cooking :-)

My radio quit working about the same time I started having trouble
with the gas pedal..................Dang amp fell off the dash mount
:-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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