61-79-list-digest Friday, May 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 256



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Soft brakes
FTE 61-79 - Susie's clutch and tranny
FTE 61-79 - For Sale Sacramento Area
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull
RE: FTE 61-79 - truck pull classes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull
Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE
FTE 61-79 - SROD into 65 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Page Stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Mini Gauges
Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's clutch and tranny
FTE 61-79 - PARTS AND INFO
Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE
re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's clutch and tranny
FTE 61-79 - Towing in gear

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 04:43:29 -0700
From: "Rick Williams"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Soft brakes

Wrongo Garry, you need another master cylinder. From my past experiences,
most parts houses will only sell you the master cylinder along with the
brake booster, so you may want to return it.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Garry Bowling
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 6:49 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Soft brakes


>Recently I have noticed that my brake pedal tends to go down toward the
>stop when pressure is applied for extended period. I think the break
>booster is bad (it came from a a wreck). I do not think I have a vacuum
>leak. Is it possible that the booster is bad and the diagraphm inside
>it is gone bad. I purchased a new booster (re-man) for $95. I have
>not installed it yet. Just want to make sure it is the problem. Any
>suggestions.
>Garry
>1967 F100 Longbed
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:05:52 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Susie's clutch and tranny

First I'd like to thank Don, Tony, Jeff, Gary and all others who replied
to my problem with ideas. To refresh memories, Susie is my '79 F-250 with
the newly rebuilt 429 and Np435. I pulled the fork boot but because of all
the linkage, exhaust, etc, couldn't see a thing in the bell housing, but it
smelled funny. I went in the cab and pulled the floor pan and then the
shifter and again got "that" smell. So, when in doubt, I went and got dad.
He took a sniff and just said "pull it". I pulled the transmission back and
we both got under to look in the bell housing. Couldn't find anything wrong.
Dad fiddled with it while I got inside to work the clutch. He said
everything was working right cause when I pushed in the clutch, the clutch
plate dropped to the bottom of the bellhousing (No shaft installed to hold
it when disengaged from pressure plate). Next we put my transmission in
dads truck and went to the transmission shop. This got real interesting! The
guy at the shop pulled the top cover and instantly said "this transmission
is burnt up". That's when dad got "the look". He always wears sunglasses,
and he's a retired Marine, was a drill instructor and spent 6 years as the
chief instructor at the Infantry Training School. So, he pulls out the
receipt for the guy and says "I brought you a good working transmission, you
repaced all the seals and put in a kit and I paid you $250.00. Now I have a
burnt up transmission and the truck isn't even running yet. What are we
going to do about this?" The guy went back inside and everybody got into a
little huddle for about three minutes then he came back and sez all he can
figure is that the transmissions got mixed up and they gave us the wrong one
back. The owner is on vacation, so dad left the transmission and receipt and
said he'd be back Monday to see the owner. I hate it that I can't get my
truck running till next week now, but I'd sure like to skip school Monday
and go see this. But I can't, dad's letting me stay home today so I can go
help pick up the 69 pickup. So I'm at a standstill till next week when I
expect to get my transmission. Got to get Susie running!!! 429!!!! Edelbrock
750!!!! dual 2 1/2 exhaust right straight back!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!
Sorry this is so long again, but I just had to tell someone.

Bud Arnold


P.S. Dad said to be sure and send congratulations to Ken and Peggy on the
award and a big Thank You for everything the site has become. Hope to see a
lot of you a Pigeon Forge.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:01:26 -0700
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - For Sale Sacramento Area

While surfing for a non-Ford I'm looking for I saw the following
in the Sacramento Bee, and thought I'd post, all are in 916 unless:

FORD '64 Econoline PU 289 V8, Moving must sell! $800 b/ofr.
685-4581

There's a Ford Econoline PU near where I live that's been for sale
a couple of times, pmail if interested, I can drive by to check it out,
as it is currently without For Sale sign, but probably still for sale.

FORD '64 P/U F100 orig ownr, mny extras MUST SEE! $8200
(209) 462-1092

FORD '64 Ranchero, 6cyl, at, restored, $3600/ofr 988-1690

FORD '66 Econline P.U. $1750 or b/ofr. 967-1400

FORD '72 Ranchero GT 351C '73 Ranchero 400m bth w/stereo,
at, ps, pb, ac, $2995/bth. 489-8594

I know of a '65/66 shortbed stakebed for sale along my drive,
at a shop, been there for months, could be a good deal.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:27:09 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

so far it seems to me that more on the front is better as the sled itself
weights the back. i have seen some people weight the truck in the middle
and back, but did it help? i don't really know. the 2wd guys have the
balance of the weight to worry about more than us 4wd guys for sure.

most of the 4wd guys spend alot of time lightening the back end, or there
are the "cheaters" that move heavy items like front axles, engines+trans,
forward to get more front bias.

sleddog

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From: Keith Srb[SMTP:herbie netvalue.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 7:57 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

At 05:40 PM 5/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>in the end, it seems there is a very delicate balnance that the best have
>figured out, but the rest of us are still learning. there is a blance
>between the tread, weight, size, speed, track conditions, etc.
>

What about weight distribution between front and rear wheels, or is that
something only the 2 wheel drive boys deal with?



>
>any help? or did i just confuse you as much as i am confused about it?
> every time i think i got it, something new pops up!
>
>sleddog
>


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Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box Style Side.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:43:38 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - truck pull classes

only flemington NJ has alot of weight classes. there are common rules to
each place, but each has some of it's own rules. each points pull has the
same exact rule book, but there are more non-points pulls than pulls for
points.

each of the non-points events has some different rules and sometimes it
depends on who inspects the truck as to whether or not it passes into a
stock class or not. pulls put on by the Buck Motorsports have their own
rules also.

it is not difficult to build a truck that fits the rules at every event.
during the rules meetings tho everyone has a different idea of what the
rules should be.

IMHO the rules are not really any good anyway as for example-most of the FE
engines i know of in the small block class are over the 360 cid limit,
usually 390's or 410+ engines. none of the chevy SB are legal.

there is no CID limit in my class, but the rules say no aluminum heads and
yet they are everywhere! but, i'll just go by the rules and try to win
anyway.

sleddog

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From: Keith Srb[SMTP:herbie netvalue.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 7:58 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - truck pull classes

Hey Sleddog,

Do these places use "national rules" such as the NTPA, or is it pretty much
"house rules" at each track?
It's been a few years since I've been to the Truck Pulls, but I don't
remember there being that many weight classes.


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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:59:34 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

i have seen some of them used and they work well in soft tracks like sussex
NJ. in the hard tracks, sometimes so hard your tires squeel and smoke, the
AT's are the hot ticket every time.

a couple places here allow cut tires and i have seen some wildly cut offset
chevrons in BFG's and even some wooley boggers cut up. a set of MT's and
some others. they really work when they are done right. on softer
surfaces it seems that turning the chevron the "wrong" way helps my 4
wheeler, so i was thinking about that and .....

sleddog
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From: JJJJJGRANT[SMTP:JJJJJGRANT aol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 12:21 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

around here most of the street trucks have to run uncut tires,so most of
them
use
the tsl boggers,and the classes allowing cut tires they are running cut
boggers
with every other lug cut out.
georgia red clay down here.
jeff grant,griffin,ga.



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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:14:29 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

Geez Deacon, you could warn a guy...
I guess I'll just have to put my coffee cup on a solid surface whenever =
one
of your posts is next

On Thu, 7 May 1998 22:33:27 -0700, you wrote:

> Well it just so happens I have had this idea bouncing around in my
>head. I was thinking a light blue fez with a blue oval with white trim
>and FTE in white with a white tassel, around the rim have
>www.ford-trucks.com
> Time will come when we come up on a group of Chevy sissies and
>they'll yell out "I'd rather push my Chevy than wear a stupid hat like
>that"

'71 F100, 360 4Spd "The Old One"
'78 F250, 4X4 400 C6 "The Brick"
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:25:10 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SROD into 65 F250

I've got a 65 F250 with a NP 4 speed and Dana 60 rear running 4.10
gears, running a 75 351W for an engine. I also have a complete 3 speed
overdrive (SROD), including bellhousing,flywheel,driveshaft out of an 82
F150 (that also had a 351W) that I'd like to transplant into my old 65
to give me lower rpm highway cruising. What kind of problems will I run
into as far as the old 2 piece drive shaft, I'd like to put in a 1 piece
and remove the hardware that is currently used for hanging the drive
shaft. Will my clutch bracket still work? Any info on this would be
appreciated. Most of the guys I know up hear are running Chevy's and
Jeeps, and haven't been able to give me a lot of help.

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 06:32:14 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

Hey I would buy one of those. Great Idea.

>Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 16:52:20 -0500
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>From: Mike Schwall
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>>For a logo to put on the hat you could put "FTN" or "FTN's" inside a
>>blue oval and it would be pretty self explanitory.
>>-- Gary --
>
>
>How 'bout a solid "Ford Blue" cap with FTE in large white letters? The
>general public would think nothing of it, but a list member would see
it
>two miles away.
>
>Just 'a thought
>
>Mike
>
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 06:43:58 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Page Stuff

Thanks for your message at 03:11 AM 5/8/98 -0500, William L Ballinger. Your
message was:
>>
>
>I never gave the link a thought, since I use Eudora freeware to compose my
>posts and it doesn't support links.

My Eudora supports links. How old is yours? Maybe it's time for a new
download.

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 06:42:27 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Mini Gauges

>Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:52:36 -0700
>To: Ford Truck List
>From: Antonio
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Mini Gauges
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>Hello,
>I am not sure if this applies to your 67 truck but maybe it can help.
My
>59 Ranchero, and I think many older vehicles, has a speaker mounted
right
>in the middle of the top of the dash. I am in the process of hinging
the
>factory speaker cover at the rear
>and making a box that pops up on a gas spring, exposing about a 3"
face
>when in the up position. I was thinking of using those types of cabinet
>catches that you push once to open, once more to latch. I think I will
>mount a modern CD player in there as I don't want to mess up the dash
which
>has the stock AM unit, and a glove box install isn't really all that
>practical as it would be hard to fiddle with while driving, and maybe
>theives wouldn't think to look there for a radio. Anyways, this would
be a
>cool place for some pop up gauges as well. I saw a 56 fairlane (I
think)
>that had a similar set up and it was very slick and stealthy.
>Hope this helps some.
>Antonio.
>
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AWESOME IDEA. That would be so cool.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:50:24 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's clutch and tranny

From: Bud Arnold
>Next we put my transmission in
>dads truck and went to the transmission shop. This got real
interesting! The
>guy at the shop pulled the top cover and instantly said "this
transmission
>is burnt up".

I've had this bad feeling Bud. I didn't say anything because I did
want to bum you out with just a bad feeling. The tow truck driver may
have towed your truck in gear. It's still nothing to,,, um,,, well, ah,
was there oil in the engine? If he burnt up the trans, I wonder if he
did any,,, ah,,, you know,,, well if I was you I'd hide Stoney's guns
just in case he got an urge to um, hunt something out of season. :]
Good luck!

Deacon
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 07:18:45 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - PARTS AND INFO

Looking for some information. I want to install P/S and P/B on my 65
F100. Need to know what parts I can get from other trucks and what I
need to buy. Thanks.

Jay

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Date: Fri, 8 May 98 9:38:41 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

Hey Deacon, You need to watch that red-neck, around here Redneck isn't
a "Bad" word. It is well respected, round here it just means good ole
county folk. But I don know the kind of people that you are talking about.
Tony

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
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From "Deacon" , on 5/8/98 1:33 AM:
To: SMTP3 SMTP3 MCB LEJEUNE[]

From: Ken Payne
>How 'bout Blue Nuts? Nah, sounds too painful. Any ideas
>Deacon?

Well it just so happens I have had this idea bouncing around in my
head. I was thinking a light blue fez with a blue oval with white trim
and FTE in white with a white tassel, around the rim have
www.ford-trucks.com
Time will come when we come up on a group of Chevy sissies and
they'll yell out "I'd rather push my Chevy than wear a stupid hat like
that" we'll smile pulling out our gray Johnny Rebs with the Blue Oval on
the crown and yell back "Well put your shoulders in it you Yankee
faggots and get back to Boston before we dig up that lyin' murderin'
home burnin' son of a gun and shoot him again. We are the Soldiers of
the New Confederacy and the only thing blue around here will be the
ovals on our Ford Trucks"! It's time to raise our flag with pride!

Note: It is necessary to disclaim any connection of these flags to
neo-nazis, red-necks, skin-heads and the like. These groups have adopted
this flag and desecrated it by their acts. They have no right to use
this flag - it is a flag of honor, designed by the confederacy as a
banner representing state's rights and still revered by the South. In
fact, under attack, it still flies over the South Carolina capitol
building. The South denies any relation to these hate groups and denies
them the right to use the flags of the confederacy for any purpose. The
crimes committed by these groups under the stolen banner of the
confederacy only exacerbate the lies which link the secession to slavery
interests when, from a Southerner's view, the cause was state's rights.

Or I like the baseball hat idea. :)

Deacon
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Whoa whoa baby, back where I belong,
Back home, sit down and patch my bones
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Date: Fri, 8 May 98 10:52:04 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's clutch and tranny

SEMPER FI
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Original Text
From "Melayne Arnold" , on 5/8/98 8:05 AM:
To: SMTP3 SMTP3 MCB LEJEUNE[]

First I'd like to thank Don, Tony, Jeff, Gary and all others who
replied
to my problem with ideas. To refresh memories, Susie is my '79 F-250 with
the newly rebuilt 429 and Np435. I pulled the fork boot but because of all
the linkage, exhaust, etc, couldn't see a thing in the bell housing, but it
smelled funny. I went in the cab and pulled the floor pan and then the
shifter and again got "that" smell. So, when in doubt, I went and got dad.
He took a sniff and just said "pull it". I pulled the transmission back
and
we both got under to look in the bell housing. Couldn't find anything
wrong.
Dad fiddled with it while I got inside to work the clutch. He said
everything was working right cause when I pushed in the clutch, the clutch
plate dropped to the bottom of the bellhousing (No shaft installed to hold
it when disengaged from pressure plate). Next we put my transmission in
dads truck and went to the transmission shop. This got real interesting!
The
guy at the shop pulled the top cover and instantly said "this transmission
is burnt up". That's when dad got "the look". He always wears sunglasses,
and he's a retired Marine, was a drill instructor and spent 6 years as the
chief instructor at the Infantry Training School. So, he pulls out the
receipt for the guy and says "I brought you a good working transmission,
you
repaced all the seals and put in a kit and I paid you $250.00. Now I have a
burnt up transmission and the truck isn't even running yet. What are we
going to do about this?" The guy went back inside and everybody got into a
little huddle for about three minutes then he came back and sez all he can
figure is that the transmissions got mixed up and they gave us the wrong
one
back. The owner is on vacation, so dad left the transmission and receipt
and
said he'd be back Monday to see the owner. I hate it that I can't get my
truck running till next week now, but I'd sure like to skip school Monday
and go see this. But I can't, dad's letting me stay home today so I can go
help pick up the 69 pickup. So I'm at a standstill till next week when I
expect to get my transmission. Got to get Susie running!!! 429!!!!
Edelbrock
750!!!! dual 2 1/2 exhaust right straight back!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!
Sorry this is so long again, but I just had to tell someone.

Bud Arnold


P.S. Dad said to be sure and send congratulations to Ken and Peggy on the
award and a big Thank You for everything the site has become. Hope to see a
lot of you a Pigeon Forge.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:57:00 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Towing in gear

Deacon wrote about Suzies clutch and tranny:

> I've had this bad feeling Bud. I didn't say anything because I did
>want to bum you out with just a bad feeling. The tow truck driver may
>have towed your truck in gear. It's still nothing to,,, um,,, well, ah,

Here's a "towing in gear" story... It's not Ford truck related, but it's
probably a good "don't let this happen to You" story.

A friend of mine was at an Isuzu dealer one day, and there was a complete
4-cyl motor sitting in the shop. He said it looked brand new except for
one side of the block was thoroughly blown out, with a huge gaping hole
in it. Naturally he just had to ask...

Apparently an older couple had bought a brand new isuzu pickup in some
midwest state and towed it home to california behind their winnabago.....


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