61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 253



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 shifter bushings???
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull
FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear Seal Replacment
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mercedes and Chrysler merger
FTE 61-79 - PARTS
FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE
FTE 61-79 - Highboy
FTE 61-79 - Wanted: Fiberglass front bumper
Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: Fiberglass front bumper
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Pressure
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: craig001 mc.duke.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 shifter bushings???

Armed with several replies to my shifter bushing questions, I bravely
sallied forth to free my T-18 shifter from its gearbox prison. FWIW
the cap that holds the shifter in place will unscrew if you have a big
enough wrench/channel-lock. However, it appears there ARE NO bushings
for the shifter. To keep the shifter from flopping around, there is a
hemispherical section about 4 inches from the bottom of the shifter
which fits into a cup-like race. There is a groove cut into the
hemispherical part, and a short pin which fits through a hole in the
race, and into the groove (hope that makes sense). Anyway, my pin
looks like my frisbee after the dog gets it -- chewed. Also, the
groove is pretty sad-looking. Maybe time for a new shifter?

Until I find one - anyone know of a good after-market shifter - I'm
going to try the cheap fix with a new(!) pin, which my local Ford
dealer stocks for $2.36.

On a related note - I was curious about the top plate of the T-18
gearbox. It appears to be a casting, and right in the middle are three
well-formed sperical protrusions. Any ideas out there about the
purpose of thes 'bumps'?

I've always told my friends that my little F100 has balls, but ...
three?

Damian Craig
'70 F100 shortbed stepside, 300 ci, T18
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:07:41 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement

> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:02:26 -0400
> From: "THE PAVIES'"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement

> The rear seal of my 360 is leaking like a sieve. It's in a 76 F250
> 2wd. I'm not a mechanic so I'm asking you guys to let me know
> exactly whats involved.

Jack, the guys are telling it like it mostly is, it's not a fun job
but if you happen to have the rubber seal in there already it can be
got out with some luck. (rope seals can be got out too but it's not
for the squeamish or inexperienced) If you want to take a chance
before you spring for the engine pull, drop the pan and the rear main
cap and see what's in there. If it's rope put it back together, if
not you can attempt to move it with a tapered drift with rounded end
roughly 3/16" diameter with all sharp edges carefully filed, ground
or sanded off so it won't scratch the crank. (this step is very
important and it should be polished to do it right)

Loosen the other main caps just a half turn or so to let the crank
droop a bit and try punching the metal wire with the drift and see if
the seal moves. If it does you can ease it out and ease the new on
in the same way and you're ready to put it all back together. If not
you're not out much work and you can still pull the engine.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:16:46 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem

>The fusable link is just a piece of wire calculated to burn up before
>anything in the charging circuit does. If you take it out you could
>cause a serious fire one day when that amp gets a bit carried away.
>The link should be gaged to the amps of the alternator output so if
>you really need more oooomph then get a bigger alternator and size
>the new link accordingly.
>-- Gary --

That is why I left the link in there. However, it is causing charging
problems. My amplifier cuts out when the voltage is too low (shuts down).
I was thinking maybe run the 10 all the way and then put in a heavy duty
fuse holder with say a 70 or 75 amp fuse. (alternator is 60 amps - or
whatever stock is).

Would that be safer?

Thanks,

Mike


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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:37 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff

> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:59:17 -0600 (CST)
> From: Stu Varner
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff

>> My hours are pretty flexible here
> >at the plant so I can take off about any time I want for such
> >important stuff as that :-)
>
> And Deacon bellyaches about me having it made in the shade!!!!
> Dang Gary!!!
>
> I had a boss when I worked for Ashland Oil who went out every
> Thursday to survey real estate..........all 18 holes! I hated that
> a whole bunch!

I still have to put in my time, I just have lots of flexibility as to
when I do it since I'm skilled trades but in a kind of high level
production capacity as opposed to "real time production support" so I
stay ahead of the game most of the time. As one attempting to live
the "true" christian life I frown on cheating my employer but I don't
mind taking some of the rope they give me where ever it doesn't
tarnish my integrety or appearance to fellow workers etc. :-)

Going to lunch with a friend happens to be something that's legal
within my working parameters because my boss knows I will make it up
:-) Nice to have that kind of relationship with the boss eh? :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:32:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem

> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:16:46 -0500
> From: Mike Schwall
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem

> charging problems. My amplifier cuts out when the voltage is too
> low (shuts down). I was thinking maybe run the 10 all the way and
> then put in a heavy duty fuse holder with say a 70 or 75 amp fuse.
> (alternator is 60 amps - or whatever stock is).

Mike, If I read your description correctly you are getting 14v at 2k
rpm right? So the link is not the problem, the alterntor output is.
Voltage is voltage and wire is wire without regard to engine
parameters. If you can operate all your stuff at 2000 rpm and show
14v (after the link) at the same time then you are getting the power
through the link but your alternator needs to run at 2k rpm to get
it.

The only way I know to get more at lower rpm is to get a bigger
alternator or over drive your current one which I don't recommend
unless by only a small amount.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:50:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull
> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:47:28 -0400

> with those pull tires (giant cepek puller i think they are called)
> you need a lot of power to turn them. they need alot of wheel speed
> to work.

Please pardon the ignorance of an old farm hand but In my experience
wheel speed just gets you stuck faster.........?? Maybe dirt tracks
at fair grounds aren't bottomless mud pits? Speed makes friction so
it make for more bite? (not much friction in muck :-))

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:52:23 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear Seal Replacment

>Sorry for repeating you but your right and I just thought I'd cosign this so
>Jack could read it twice. :)
>Later!
>
Thanks for backing me up, Deacon. I was worried somebody with more FE
experience than me (which wouldn't take much) would expose my lack of FE
knowledge and say I was all wet. But I do know those rope seals are hell,
even if you have the engine out.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:52:56 -0000
From: "Kevin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mercedes and Chrysler merger

And how is that going that going to effect my 64 pickup or anything Ford
makes?
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Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 5:22 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mercedes and Chrysler merger


>Thought some of you might find this interesting. Looks like
>theres a new giant in the automotive industry.
>
>This came from an email from The Car Connection.
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>Itís a Done Deal! The world now welcomes a New Auto Giant -
DaimlerChrysler.
>Details of the merger between Chrysler Corp. and Daimler-Benz were
announced
>this morning in London by Chrysler Chairman Robert J. Eaton and
Daimler-Benz
>Chairman Juergen E. Schrempp. The transaction, valued at $92 billion, is
the
>largest industrial merger ever consummated. The new firm, DaimlerChrysler
will
>rank No. 5 among world auto makers, behind General Motors, Ford, Toyota and
>Volkswagen. Catch a brief summary of the news conference, plus quotes from
the
>two chairmen, later today. Keep returning to our site, as new material
will
>be posted continuously throughout the day and into the weekend.
>
>-Ken
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:12:20 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - PARTS

I need some help here. Want to add P/S and P/B to my 65 F100. Need some
info on what parts I can get from other trucks and what I need to buy
new. Help PLease

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:50:09 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

I've been on the FTE list for a while now and enjoyed the comraderie
very much, learned a lot and laughed a little.

In reading the talk of the Pigeon Forge get together talk I was reminded
of another list I am a member of called The OldTools list. It's a bunch
of great guys and gals who use and collect antique woodworking tools.

They started out as about 200 souls, and have grown to over 600
Worldwide last I heard. We have get togethers to share skills and gloats
(brag about cool tools we've bought recently). And have really turned
into a community.

By one means or another we got labeled with the nickname "Galoots" One
of the list members had some bright red ballcaps (later versions are
Armadillo Grey) made with the word "Galoot" on the front. You can't
attend a large antique show or old tool show without seeing a few
"Galoot" ball caps. (That solved the "How do we recognize each other at
the tool (truck) show problem.")

They usually do things like gather for picnics before or after shows,
and have informal tailgate sales of tools before shows.

AND, We were using SWMBO while this list was still wearing diapers. :)

This group of people shows signs of being just as good a bunch as the
Galoots are and I'm glad to be a part of it. It will be fun watching to
see what the next few years brings to this list.

I'm just sorry I can't make it to the first FTE Gathering at Pigeon
Forge.

Now Just what are we going to nickname ourselves?

Effie Freaks?
Ford Heads?
Blue Oval Cyber folks?
Henries Heros

OldFords Rule.
Bill Adams

The WoodButcher's Shop
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:20:33 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Highboy

Hey Azie,

Sorry...the highboy is parked under a couple old cottonwoods just east of
Boulder, Colorado....

What do you think its worth?

Like I said, I have no idea why its not running, and the body is a little beat
up.....bet the whole undercarraige is good, though!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:26:18 -0500
From: David Willingham
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: Fiberglass front bumper

I am a new suscriber to the list and really like seeing so many die-hard
Ford truck fans! I was wandering if anyone knows where I could find a
fiberglass
front bumper for a '74 Ford F-100. I need one for my 1974 "Pro F-100" Drag
Truck.
My truck currently weighs 2650 Lbs. and I need to keep the front weight as
low
as possible. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
David Willingham



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Liberty Machine, Inc.
(205) 586-4534
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:30:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:50:09 -0500
> From: Bill Adams
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Some thoughts about the future of FTE

> Now Just what are we going to nickname ourselves?
>
> Effie Freaks?
> Ford Heads?
> Blue Oval Cyber folks?
> Henries Heros

How about YayHoos? I got flamed on the bronco list for mispeling it
(the rednecks on the list said it was "Yahoos") and the rednecks got
after me for calling them wayword, uneducated, ignorant loafers which
is what they said it meant. Sort of like Galoots in my book?

For a logo to put on the hat you could put "FTN" or "FTN's" inside a
blue oval and it would be pretty self explanitory.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:39:11 -0400
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: Fiberglass front bumper

Why not make one? A bumper would be relatively easy if you have a good straight
one for a plug. I think the shape of a bumper would release fairly easily from
the mold. That's the hardest part. My first experience was a maverick hood. It
was fairly simple. When we made the fenders it was a whole new ball game. The
mounting flange that bolts to the inner fenders just refused to come out of the
mold. We eventually did it but I don't remember the details. It was around 1971.
Another consideration would be the area you live in. I was in NJ at the time and
we had to go to NYC to get materials at a decent price. Now I live in So FL where
boats are everywhere sources for materials are plenty.
George

David Willingham wrote:

> I am a new suscriber to the list and really like seeing so many die-hard
> Ford truck fans! I was wandering if anyone knows where I could find a
> fiberglass
> front bumper for a '74 Ford F-100. I need one for my 1974 "Pro F-100" Drag
> Truck.
> My truck currently weighs 2650 Lbs. and I need to keep the front weight as
> low
> as possible. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> David Willingham
>
>
> David Willingham
> Liberty Machine, Inc.
> (205) 586-4534
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 16:42:04 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Pressure

>Mike, If I read your description correctly you are getting 14v at 2k
>rpm right? So the link is not the problem, the alterntor output is.
>Voltage is voltage and wire is wire without regard to engine
>parameters. If you can operate all your stuff at 2000 rpm and show
>14v (after the link) at the same time then you are getting the power
>through the link but your alternator needs to run at 2k rpm to get
>it.
>
>The only way I know to get more at lower rpm is to get a bigger
>alternator or over drive your current one which I don't recommend
>unless by only a small amount.
>-- Gary --

I get the picture. I was figuring since the wire is so small that I get a
voltage drop when trying to run 60 amps through the 18 gauge wire. I may
do what you suggested and get a larger alternator. Hey guys it hit 99
degrees F here in San Antonio today (it's only 4:30 pm). I'm glad I got AC
now :)

That reminds me. Anybody have an electric fuel pump for sale? I get zero
or close to zero fuel pressure in third gear on the highway (2800 RPM at
70Mph) It causes the engine to run lean, ping, and run hotter than I'd
like it to. If I run in OD, it cools down and runs fine. I turn 1800 RPM
at 70 Mph in OD. I'm getting ready for a ring and pinion swap to go from
3.00 to 3.90:1. With the latter, I will turn 2400 RPM at 70 in OD. That
is the sweet spot for the cam/engine combination. At 1800, the engine lugs
too much - vacuum is way down to 3 or 4 inches. In third at 70 Mph, I get
an average of 10 inches. (depends on road and wind).

Thanks Gary for the info. I'm going to borrow an ammeter from my Uncle and
see how much juice the alternator is putting out. If it's not putting out
anywhere near the rated 60 amps. I may cut the fusable link out and put in
a buss fuse rated at 60 amps. That way I am still protected in case
something goes haywire.

Thanks,

Mike

P.S. If anyone has an electric fuel pump and a bypass style regulator
sitting around collecting dust - please email me.



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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:40:58 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

the following is my understanding and may or may not be the way other
pullers see it, and it may be totally off FAIK.

the modified tractor pullers run over 100 mph wheel speeds. notice they
have very little tread depth. once the sled stops them, they sink fast and
dig big holes tho.

so, better traction can be achieved thru wider tires, taller tires, or a
better tread design. for pullers that cannot use the cepek pullers, lots
of little tiny biting edges seems to be the trick. that is why the BFG AT
works so well IMHO. (great for street and off road too.)

bigger bites of track can be taken with bigger lugs, or chevrons, but more
power is required to turn them. the more edges bite in one revolution the
farther down the track you get. but if each bite is too big for the power,
you can't accelerate the tires/vehicle/sled and get the momentum up that is
needed for the end of the track.

on very hard tracks, my bfg Muds just sit and spin, even smoking sometimes.
but they grip very well in the softer tracks. the BFG AT's grip excellant
on the hard tracks with all those little edges, and in softer tracks they
still work well. but here wheel speed needs to be increased as forward
speed increases. if you spin too much at the beginning, you are digging
ruts and trying to climb out of them and that looses distance, but once
vehicle speed is up, wheel speed increase seem to move the vehicle forward,
not down into the track.

effective traction can also be increased by wheel speed. if in 10 feet of
track the tire spins 5 times you have achieved a certain number of "bites"
with each edge on the tire. if in 10 ft of track you spin the tires 8
times, you have increased the number of bites for that distance and
therefore have most likely increased the forward speed of the sled.

forward speed of the sled is what it is all about. if you can get it up to
higher speed than the other guy you will most likely get farther down the
track. as the sled gets closer to that perverbial "immovable object", the
sled's own momentum will carry it further, if it is going faster.

of course, there must be limits. too much wheel speed is most likely not
good. but, finding a balance is very hard. i have had great wheel speeds
in the past, but couldn't get it to hook to the track. but my best pulls
also had the same wheel speed and i took it to the end of the track.
sometimes i have had little wheel speed because of too much traction, and
not enough horsepower.

this is where i started running lighter scale weights, in an effort to
increase wheel speed. by reducing weight (therefore traction) i allowed
the tires to spin up and ended up getting farther down the track than with
a full weight. increasing wheel speeds by highr gearing doesn't seem to
work, but rather by larger tires and/or more power/engine rpm.

in the end, it seems there is a very delicate balnance that the best have
figured out, but the rest of us are still learning. there is a blance
between the tread, weight, size, speed, track conditions, etc.

any help? or did i just confuse you as much as i am confused about it?
every time i think i got it, something new pops up!

sleddog

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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull
> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:47:28 -0400

> with those pull tires (giant cepek puller i think they are called)
> you need a lot of power to turn them. they need alot of wheel speed
> to work.

Please pardon the ignorance of an old farm hand but In my experience
wheel speed just gets you stuck faster.........?? Maybe dirt tracks
at fair grounds aren't bottomless mud pits? Speed makes friction so
it make for more bite? (not much friction in muck :-))

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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