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61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 252 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Events List FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement RE: FTE 61-79 - Door latch posts-rusted Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: toploader Re: FTE 61-79 - Door latch posts FTE 61-79 - Mercedes and Chrysler merger FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull FTE 61-79 - Highboy FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem FTE 61-79 - Old stuff RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull FTE 61-79 - F-100 Nats Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Nats Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 04:07:54 -0700 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Events List From: William L Ballinger >My page should be up and running in a couple more days. I have to thank Ken >and Deacon for their inspiration and know-how. Thanks guys. Aaaw shucks, twernt nothen! Ken teached me eveythin I no! :} >Congratulations on the award, I agree wholeheartedly that we have the best >thing going, in the automotive vein, on the web. I have found our >information and links to be the best I've read. Ken and Peggy deserve a >round of applause, whadddya say....>> Ditto! > I think I've got the... Faults alarm. My bad. Sorry! :] Ken, Peggy Thanks! You have treated us like friends from the start. Sure, everyone gets mad at me somewhere along the line but I feel that has taken the heat off the other members. :) You showed me how to make Web pages and even cut me in on the Dragonfire site. If it wasn't for your help I wouldn't have received the offer of employment I just received. The company my wife works for has asked me to be their Internet sales rep. They also want me to train their sales staff on using the Internet for research. They offered to pay me $85 an hour for the training. It's only a couple of weeks for that but now I can afford those Splitfire plugs I've always wanted. :) It will be some time before I'm making steady money. When I am, I'm going Hog butt wild in the Ford Truck shopping mall. T shirts, coffee mugs, baseball caps and posters. Sure you don't have those yet but I don't have any money yet either. I guess it's all in the timing. :) Thanks Bro, Sis! I owe it all to you (and the bank)! >http//www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr Bill, Bill, Bill. You forgot your :. Never forget your :. If you don't want to use your :. Then just put www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr or it won't show up as a hyperlink! What are we to do? Buy em books, send them to school and Stu sells them A's. :) Later! Deacon deconblu ============================= Nuke the unborn baby whales. ============================= Deacon's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:17:07 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement >The rear seal of my 360 is leaking like a sieve. It's in a 76 F250 2wd. >I'm not a mechanic so I'm asking you guys to let me know exactly whats >involved. Thanks. Jack P. > What is involved is sell the truck. :-) Seriously, the FE engines mostly use a rope seal which is damn near impossible to install correctly in the vehicle. It involves dragging the upper piece in place with a chinese finger trap sort of device which usually mauls the seal and/or scratches the machined surface on the crank. There may be a retrofit available to where you can use a rubber seal, seems like I heard of such a thing, but it requires machining of the block and bearing cap. Others may be able to detail this for you but if you have never done a rear seal I don't think you want a rope seal to be your first one. If you are keen to do this I recommend pulling the engine out, removing the crank, and then replacing the seal plus all the main/rod bearings. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:38:16 -0600 (CST) From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement >>The rear seal of my 360 is leaking like a sieve. Seriously, the FE engines mostly >use a rope seal which is damn near impossible to install correctly in the >vehicle. Others may be able to >detail this for you but if you have never done a rear seal I don't think >you want a rope seal to be your first one. I know they make a new type seal out of rubber? They sell for about 13 bucks! I intend installing one of these in place of the rope seal when I rebuild my 360/390 this fall. Stu Nuke GM! visit my homepage at www.pscico.com/stu = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:25:51 -0500 From: "Bear" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Door latch posts-rusted The door latch striker is adjustable up and down so it allows for some error.... E-mail : bear269 Please view my home page at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.isl.net/~bear269/home - -----Original Message----- From: owner-61-79-list [mailto:owner-61-79-list Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 8:28 PM To: 61-79-list Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Door latch posts Since we're talking striker posts, I thought I'd ask about a problem I'm having. My post is fine, it's just that the rest of the door jamb is about 90% rusted away. There's very little left holding the post in place, it's pretty much to the point that it wiggles, and if I gave it a good tug, I'm sure it would just come right out. Anyone ever fixed this before? I thought about cutting out a decent door jamb from a junkyard truck, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to get it lined up right once it was welded back in. I've been putting this off for quite a while, but one of these days soon, it's just going to come right off. Mike '78 Bronco Custom = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:34:12 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: toploader > From: GMPACHECO > Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:34:02 EDT > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: toploader > Yes, it comes with a hurst shifter, still in the box... what about You guys lost me somewhere.......aren't we talking about a top loader? If so what the heck does a hurst shifter have to do with the discussion? I think there are more than one tranny thread in my mail so pardon me if I'm confused? 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:07:28 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Door latch posts > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:27:50 -0500 > From: "Michael R. Masse" > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Door latch posts > Since we're talking striker posts, I thought I'd ask about a problem > I'm having. My post is fine, it's just that the rest of the door > jamb is about 90% rusted away. If you have a welder (MIG preferably) and a way to bend up some sheet metal (even a couple of 2x4's and "C" clamps will work for this) You can bend up a facimile of the door post shape long enough to cover the rusted area and carefully cut out the bad spot and weld it in. I can't weld a door skin (1/2 skin) to save my life but I've had real good luck on stuff with lots of kinks and bends in it to prevent the warpage like your door post. Don't forget to weld in the new pocket for the striker bolt :-) If you go to the junk yard any F series truck of a similar year will have the right sheet metal but it may be rusty too and it will stil have to be welded in in any case. The only parts of the truck I hate to mess with are the flat sheets since they warp as soon as I start the welder just thinking about my skilled welding hands coming close to them :-( 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:36:49 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mercedes and Chrysler merger Thought some of you might find this interesting. Looks like theres a new giant in the automotive industry. This came from an email from The Car Connection. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecarconnection.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It’s a Done Deal! The world now welcomes a New Auto Giant - DaimlerChrysler. Details of the merger between Chrysler Corp. and Daimler-Benz were announced this morning in London by Chrysler Chairman Robert J. Eaton and Daimler-Benz Chairman Juergen E. Schrempp. The transaction, valued at $92 billion, is the largest industrial merger ever consummated. The new firm, DaimlerChrysler will rank No. 5 among world auto makers, behind General Motors, Ford, Toyota and Volkswagen. Catch a brief summary of the news conference, plus quotes from the two chairmen, later today. Keep returning to our site, as new material will be posted continuously throughout the day and into the weekend. - -Ken = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:57:43 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull Sleddog, I seem to remember about 15 years ago all the 4X4 pullers were using a tire that I think Dick Cpeck was marketing. It looked like a tractor tire that would fit a 15 or 16 inch rim. It had chevron lugs on it and were fairly wide and the lugs weren't too thick. Similar to what we called road tires for a tractor verses the "Rice and Cane" tires (deep deep lugs). Does anyone still use these tires? Are they even still available? Is the tire used determined by the class you are pulling in? Just curious (like George -- sorry but it's my job to read my kids to sleep ;0) ). Tom H. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:26:04 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Colorado Jeff wrote: >>There's a highboy sitting near this farmer's house on my way to work. Everyday, I keep thinking I should ask him if he wants to sell it. It hasn't moved in about six months now, and it looks like the tires are going flat. Do you reside in the State of Colorado, as the name implies, or is this Highboy located somewhere east of the Missippi and South of the Mason-Dixon line by chance????????? Azie Ardmore, Al. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:08:54 -0500 From: Mike Schwall Subject: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem I have a '78 F150 with a stock output alternator. My problem is with the fusable link in the alternator charging wire that connects to the main battery. I replaced the stock 12 gauge wire (or whatever it was) with a 10 gauge wire. The heavy gauge wire connects to a smaller gauge wire (like 18 gauge) and has the tag saying fusable link. A wire from the regulator connects at the junction of the fusable link and the heavy wire to make what looks like a shunt. I have just finished installing "factory" air conditioning in my non-AC truck. To make a long boring story short, with the AC on and the blower on max, headlights on w/highlights, and my 220 watt stereo at a fairly loud level, the fusable link wire that connects the 10 gauge wire to the main battery gets very hot. Also, I must have the engine over 2000 RPMs to get 14 volts. With all electics off, I get 14.5V at idle. I have a new Die Hard Gold 850 battery. What I want to know - is the fusable link providing a certain resistance for the regulator (like a shunt) or is it there to prevent a high amp surge from overheating/exploding the battery? What I want to do is take the fusable link out and run straight 10 gauge from the alternator to the battery lug on the starter solenoid and "T" the regulator wire into the 10 gauge wire. Will this work or will it cause more problems? Is the wire that comes from the regulator simply taking the voltage reading off the charging wire? Help Thanks, Mike _____________________________________________ Email: mschwall Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://mschwall.home.texas.net FORD FAN PAGE: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordfan.org = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:27:42 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff Stu wrote: >>You must be catching up on long lost mail. This was weeks old! Been to see two of my Grandchidren in Canton, (Detroit) MI. Was gone for a week and its going to take 3 weeks to catch up on all I've gotten behind on, including the FordTruck list. Azie Ardmore, Al. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:47:28 -0400 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull they are from cepek. they are illegal in the classes i pull in because we are required to use DOT tires and we have a size limit. goodyear used to make the wooly bogger, but they are no longer DOT and are too wide for our last rules change. i have a set of retreads that have a chevron i have been using, but they are now too small at 20" tall and too narrow at 9 1/2 or so. in out rules it states no "tractor chevrom treads" but i get by because the tread has more lugs on it than just the chevron and it is DOT carcass and maybe because i don't win alot? you really only get singled out if you win too much it seems sometimes. the pros, modifieds and super stocks use the pulling tires still. we are also in most places not allowed to cut the tires at all but tires worn from driving on the street on most 4x4's have a very good tread relief from getting cupped as most 4x4's do to their front tires. with those pull tires (giant cepek puller i think they are called) you need a lot of power to turn them. they need alot of wheel speed to work. happy to talk about it, any other questions? sleddog - ---------- From: Hogan, Tom[SMTP:Tom.Hogan Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 11:57 AM To: 'Ford Trucks' Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull Sleddog, I seem to remember about 15 years ago all the 4X4 pullers were using a tire that I think Dick Cpeck was marketing. It looked like a tractor tire that would fit a 15 or 16 inch rim. It had chevron lugs on it and were fairly wide and the lugs weren't too thick. Similar to what we called road tires for a tractor verses the "Rice and Cane" tires (deep deep lugs). Does anyone still use these tires? Are they even still available? Is the tire used determined by the class you are pulling in? Just curious (like George -- sorry but it's my job to read my kids to sleep ;0) ). Tom H. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:44:12 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Nats What is the starting/ending dates for the show in east Tn (Pigeon Forge)????? Is it May 14th/17th (Thurs/Sun )???? Azie Ardmore, Al. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:54:50 -0600 (CST) From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff At 01:27 PM 5/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >Stu wrote: >>You must be catching up on long lost mail. This was >weeks old! > >Been to see two of my Grandchidren in Canton, (Detroit) MI. Was gone >for a week and its going to take 3 weeks to catch up on all I've gotten >behind on, including the FordTruck list. > Glad you R back. Heard Chrysker and Mercedes Benz has merged?? Big news!! > = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:56:35 -0600 (CST) From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Nats At 01:44 PM 5/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >What is the starting/ending dates for the show in east Tn (Pigeon >Forge)????? > >Is it May 14th/17th (Thurs/Sun )???? Azie, You need to Go!!!!!!! Those dates sound right, I plan on being there on the 16th, Saturday! I would love to finally meet up with you! Stu = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:00:55 -0700 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Rear seal replacement From: John Strauss >>The rear seal of my 360 is leaking like a sieve. It's in a 76 F250 2wd. >>I'm not a mechanic so I'm asking you guys to let me know exactly whats >>involved. Thanks. Jack P. >> >What is involved is sell the truck. :-) I know you said this jokingly but there's more truth to it than your letting on. A mechanic is just a guy with tools a book and a very understanding wife. Not just for the time we spend working on our trucks but the messes we make and the money we spend. As with the rest of my fellow shade trees, the price tag on my toolbox could have bought a new truck (you don't need that kind of investment unless you love wrenchin'). You need the right tools and you need a manual to do it. Best thing you have going for you is this list to clear up the "I don't get its". Anyone can do the job right my friend. Take shortcuts or save money using crap parts or save time because someone told you that there's an easy way, you'll just get pissed off and quit. One of us will get a good buy on a '76 F250. >Seriously, the FE engines mostly >use a rope seal which is damn near impossible to install correctly in the >vehicle. You make another good point John. Pulling the engine can be the easy way to go. You figure in what you need to do getting the job done under the truck, you can remove a few more bolts, take some pictures, pull the engine and do the job comfortably. If it's your only transportation and you need something to drive. Get yourself some cheap junker or a bike (we be talkin' motorcycle here, not Huffy) to get you around. With the engine out, do all the little things that need to be done, like change the freeze plugs, clean and paint. route and fix wires, hoses and what ever you see that needs attention. If you do the job right the first time you'll enjoy many years of trouble free bad ass truckin'. There are only a few things that feel better than having an old truck that you know will get you where ever you want to go. There's not many things worst than walking because something you knew needed fixing, had to wait till it broke. >If you are keen to do this I >recommend pulling the engine out, removing the crank, and then replacing >the seal plus all the main/rod bearings. We have been at both doors, haven't we John! :) I guess we can listen and learn or live and learn. Either way we learn something. Sorry for repeating you but your right and I just thought I'd cosign this so Jack could read it twice. :) Later! Deacon deconblu ======================================== Truckin' , I'm a goin' home, Whoa whoa baby, back where I belong, Back home, sit down and patch my bones And git back truckin' on. ======================================== Deacon's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:30:47 -0700 From: Keith Srb Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires for truck pull At 01:47 PM 5/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >they are from cepek. they are illegal in the classes i pull in because we >are required to use DOT tires and we have a size limit. goodyear used to >make the wooly bogger, but they are no longer DOT and are too wide for our >last rules change. > So, Sleddog, what class/weight limit do you pull in??? Keith Srb herbie http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie Mesa, AZ 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed. 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up. 1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side. 1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box Style Side. My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!" = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:28:54 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem > Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:08:54 -0500 > From: Mike Schwall > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Alternato Wiring Problem > I replaced the stock 12 gauge wire (or > whatever it was) with a 10 gauge wire. > What I want to do is take the fusable link out and run straight 10 > gauge from the alternator to the battery lug on the starter solenoid > and "T" the regulator wire into the 10 gauge wire. Will this work > or will it cause more problems? Is the wire that comes from the > regulator simply taking the voltage reading off the charging wire? The fusable link is just a piece of wire calculated to burn up before anything in the charging circuit does. If you take it out you could cause a serious fire one day when that amp gets a bit carried away. The link should be gaged to the amps of the alternator output so if you really need more oooomph then get a bigger alternator and size the new link accordingly. 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:46:32 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff > From: am14 > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff > Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:27:42 -0400 > Been to see two of my Grandchidren in Canton, (Detroit) MI. Was > gone for a week and its going to take 3 weeks to catch up on all > I've gotten behind on, including the FordTruck list. Azie, you were only 15 miles from me and you didn't stop in to say hi? Have to look at a map to refresh my memory but I think you take ford blvd north from Ypsi right into Canton. I think that's right near where 14 goes across right? Have to let me know next time your up and we can have a cup a coffee or something or do lunch. My hours are pretty flexible here at the plant so I can take off about any time I want for such important stuff as that :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:59:17 -0600 (CST) From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old stuff >Azie, you were only 15 miles from me and you didn't stop in to say >hi? Have to look at a map to refresh my memory but I think you take >ford blvd north from Ypsi right into Canton. I think that's right >near where 14 goes across right? > >Have to let me know next time your up and we can have a cup a coffee.... 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