61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 247



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs
FTE 61-79 - RE: Dist. roll pins
FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE: 1979 Ford F-350 4x4 Pulling Truck
FTE 61-79 - AUCTION
Re: FTE 61-79 - AUCTION
FTE 61-79 - toploader
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges
Re: FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs
Re: FTE 61-79 - AUCTION
Re: FTE 61-79 - toploader
Re: FTE 61-79 - shifter bushings
FTE 61-79 - Deal of the year
Re: FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - toploader
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wife
RE: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - External Hubs
FTE 61-79 - Re: Wider Frame
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers
Re: FTE 61-79 - who's going to Pigeon forge ?
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge

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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:40:20 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs

Ok you all now you got me thinking,

Is the HD hubs on the dana 44 really stronger than the regular hubs?
Local junk yard wants $300 for a 77 3/4 ton HD Dana 44. I does have
aftermarket locking hubs, not the Factoy ones. The brake calipers are
the same but the rotor looks like it has more of an offset but
everything else looks the same. They also want 3 bills for the rear end
but I can do better than that at the U-Pull-It. What I am asking is
Where's the Dana 44 beef?

If I could only find a Dana 60 Front at that price :(
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Don Grossman
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:08:00 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Dist. roll pins

my cousin has had the same problem on his FE at least twice that i know of. this was with a mallory destributer i think.

sleddog

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dist. roll pins

I was just wondering if anyone else has had problems with the roll pin
that holds the distributer gear on. I have had two break on two different
durasparks, the last time the truck still ran and took some time for me to
figure out. Is this a common problem?

Art Lutz
78 F-250 XLT 4X4, 400 c.i.d.


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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:39:19 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE: 1979 Ford F-350 4x4 Pulling Truck

i am posting this for a friend. this truck is in excellent shape and
located in the eastern PA area. i can say it is a very smooth puller and
was always one of the crowds favorite trucks at every pull. this was the
truck to beat!
email address at bottom i believe he can supply jpeg's for any serious
inquiries.

thanks,
sleddog

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1979 Ford F-350 4x4 Pulling Truck

Can run Pa Street Legal, Pa and New York Super Stock, or could be altered
to run NTPA Modified 4x4. This truck was the Pa Street Legal 4x4 Big Block
points champion in 1994, 1995, and 1996 and was runner up in 1997. This is
a very smooth pulling truck and is set up for a big block Ford 460 type
engine.

NO ENGINE
Rear axle: GM 14 bolt with 5:13 gears locked solid
Front axle: Dana 60 with 4.88 gears locked solid
Transmission: Ford C6 with SVO and TCI internals and CSI aluminum
guard
Torque Converter: Custom built 4000 stall truck pull converter
Trans cooler: Earls 42 row oil cooler with 10" fan
Transfer Case: NP 205
Tires: 31x15.5x15 GoodYear Terra Tires cut and DOT approved
Headers: Custom built 2.125" fender exit headers for Cobra Jet 429 ports
Many extra parts

This truck is built right and ready to pull. Add a good engine and start
winning!
All safety equipment is overkill and very well done. Drive shafts are less
than
a year old and all parts are in good condition. Weight box is square and
large
enough to get truck up to 7000 pounds if needed. Truck weighs approximately
4800 pounds with a 460 and no weights or driver.

Contact:
Barry Smith
kasmith epix.net

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:39:35 EDT
From: OldTrux
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AUCTION

Someone mentioned an auction site on the WWW where they were able to purchase
shop manuals, etc. Since my computer crashed 4/98 I have lost all my "Favorite
Places". Anyone know where I can find that site?
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:55:18 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AUCTION

At 06:39 PM 5/5/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Someone mentioned an auction site on the WWW where they were able to purchase
>shop manuals, etc. Since my computer crashed 4/98 I have lost all my
"Favorite
>Places". Anyone know where I can find that site?


Try www.ebay.com

Later

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:00:49 EDT
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: FTE 61-79 - toploader

I found a toploader, he'll pull it out of his 66 fairlane, just rebuilt 2700
miles ago? He wants $700.00. I want to put it in my 72 F-100 . Oh yeah he has
a 289 in the car, my question is will it bolt right up to my bell housing? ( I
have a 302) and will I need to shorten the driveshaft.. also is 700.00 too
much ?

Mike in Seattle...
gotta let him know on thursday, so I can pickup on Friday!

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:58:23 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers

Jeff,

I have Dana/Spicer Power-Lok's in both axles of my
77 F250. I elected to go with them as a result of good experience
with them in my jeep. The Power Lok in the rear of the truck is a little
more forgiving on the street than a Detroit, and the truck is probably
an 80% street vehicle now. I have found the power lok to be more than
adequate on the trail. I do have a Detroit in my jeep now and it
is more inconvenient on the street (lock, unlock, clunking, tire
chirp) but really shines in the dirt.The jeep gets about 70% trail usage.

Hope this helps,
Mike
Phoenix, AZ.

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:23:48 -0400
From: papacat webtv.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping

Ronald,
Do they have catalogs 61-64 trucks?
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:25:09 -0400
From: papacat webtv.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges

ditto on that!
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:01:10 -0400
From: "J. Oxley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs

Don Grossman wrote:
>
> Ok you all now you got me thinking,
>
> Is the HD hubs on the dana 44 really stronger than the regular hubs?

On 78-79, the actual locking mech and the chrome/red plastic thing is
exactly the same as 1/2 ton D44's. I was surprised by the size of the
earlier dana 44 HD's, as they are as big as D60 front hub stuff. Not
sure if the earlier one's are that big for a reason (ie; bigger
bearings, ect..) or just designed different (someone mentioned about
external hubs??????).

I think the outer bearing on 78-79 44 HD's is the same, but the inner
is definately bigger. I don't see a great advantage on 78-79 vintage
except that wheels will match (8 lug) and brakes are bigger. Axle
shafts, locking hubs, and one wheel bearing are exactly the same.

> Local junk yard wants $300 for a 77 3/4 ton HD Dana 44. I does have
> aftermarket locking hubs, not the Factoy ones.

I've seen 3 types of locking hubs on dana std 44 fronts. One set uses
alum, one set uses interconnecting "stars" and the best set, IMHO, uses
intermeshing dog teeth. I'm pretty sure 77 was the same as 78-79 for 44
HD, but if they are the huge one's with 6 mounting screws, I know
nothing about those.

>The brake calipers are the same

Same as what?? Should be twin piston on 44 HD, but single on 44. I have
heard only ford used twin piston calipers. Maybe it's not a ford axle.

> but the rotor looks like it has more of an offset but
> everything else looks the same.

It does, about .75 inches.

> They also want 3 bills for the rear end
> but I can do better than that at the U-Pull-It. What I am asking is
> Where's the Dana 44 beef?

I don't see it either. Main problem I had with D44 was axle shaft U's
and Spicer solids fixed that. 44's ("er's) are comin so I have to
upgrade.

> If I could only find a Dana 60 Front at that price :(

I picked up two (one partial) at a swap meet for 400$. One for parts
and the other I sold for 350$. I can get one for 500$, but shipping
would be killer.

OX
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:21:17 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs

The main reason I did it is for the much better dual piston brakes, and
to match the 8 bolt lug pattern of the rear Dana 60.


Don Grossman wrote:
>
> Ok you all now you got me thinking,
>
> Is the HD hubs on the dana 44 really stronger than the regular hubs?
> Local junk yard wants $300 for a 77 3/4 ton HD Dana 44. I does have
> aftermarket locking hubs, not the Factoy ones. The brake calipers are
> the same but the rotor looks like it has more of an offset but
> everything else looks the same. They also want 3 bills for the rear end
> but I can do better than that at the U-Pull-It. What I am asking is
> Where's the Dana 44 beef?
>
> If I could only find a Dana 60 Front at that price :(
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
>
> 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.
>
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:52:36 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AUCTION

OldTrux wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned an auction site on the WWW where they were able to purchase
> shop manuals, etc. Since my computer crashed 4/98 I have lost all my "Favorite
> Places". Anyone know where I can find that site?

www.ebay.com

Good luck
John
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:55:37 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - toploader

GMPACHECO wrote:
>
> I found a toploader, he'll pull it out of his 66 fairlane, just rebuilt 2700
> miles ago? He wants $700.00. I want to put it in my 72 F-100 . Oh yeah he has
> a 289 in the car, my question is will it bolt right up to my bell housing? ( I
> have a 302) and will I need to shorten the driveshaft.. also is 700.00 too
> much ?


Seems to me that tha would be a fair price for a big block large shaft
top loader. Seems to me I've seen the small blocks one for around $500
or less. I'm sure some of the manual trans guys will have some
additional input.

Regards
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:47:35 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - shifter bushings

BDIJXS wrote:

> Hey Damian,
>
> Stu was right about pulling the little hemispherical cap off the shifter. I
> found that two short pieces of 2x4's (on their edge) worked well for this. If
> you put one on each side of the shifter on the little flat edges of the cap
> where the shifter comes through and press down evenly, and turn
> counterclockwise, it should come right out...
>
> I think you'll want to put in neutral first.
>
> Sometimes you have to press down pretty hard and the wood most likely won't
> ruin the cap.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Colorado Jeff

That's the one thing on the T-98 that I like the best. You can just unscrew the
cap off and remove the shifter ;)--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.




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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:06:05 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Deal of the year

Man I hate it when good deals come my way.

First off I go out to the parking lot and see this little note stuck to
my wiper
"1964 F250 4x4 for sale. Do you know anyone interested?"

Hell yes me. It's all stock 352 but still need a little help in the
resto department but is all there

Here is the phone number if anyone is interested 707-964-7937 and ask
for Jim. This is in Fort Bragg California so some of you eastern types
might not want to bother.

Next I go to my insurance company to work out a little fender blender my
wife had in the car last night. Agent says;

" I still have that truck (57-60) and big T-bird engine that I want to
get rid of, CHEAP" He picked it up in a deal and has two other projects
to take care of, anybody want a Cuda? T-bird engine? FE maybe? I
might check this one out.

Shoot me now, I hate it when stuff like this comes around, so does the
rest of the family :)

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:18:37 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Heavy Duty Hubs

>

Both James and Michael mentioned the duel piston calipers on the HD but I
already have the duel pistion calipers on my 78 axle so I am not gaining
anything there. Like they also mentioned the shafts are the same size or
dang well close. The spindle didn't look stronger than the one on the 78.
So far I am not seeing anything stronger on the HD than on the regular axle.
Are the axle tubes of a different size? I am still stumped on what the exact
difference is other than the locking hubs being external on one and internal
on the other.

Where'd dat Dana 60 go anyway?

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:07:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?

>My FE block 67 F100 has a C6. I haven't met anyone yet who's had
>a C4 behind an FE. I think an FE would make minced meat of a C4.
>

See my last post.....
Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:07:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?

At 03:25 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>So, for anybody who owns one of these trucks or knows of them, are the
>books correct? Was the C-4 the only auto trans from '67-'69 and was it
>mated to the FE blocks? Or are these books both working from the same
>wrong info? I wish I had crawled up under this truck and looked but I just
>figured if it had a C-6 because it was an FE. The truck is about an hour
>from my house so it may be a while before I see it again. Anybody know the
>poop?


The C4 is a damn fine trans in its own right, I've personally abused
one of these, a junkyard reject that I put a shift kit in. It lasted 2 yrs
of serious abuse behind a 351W. Also, there is one of the IHRA
Pro Stock, 700+ CID running C4's behind them, so it cant really be
considered a "weak" transmission, Can It???
Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:07:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - toploader

At 07:00 PM 5/5/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I found a toploader, he'll pull it out of his 66 fairlane, just rebuilt 2700
>miles ago? He wants $700.00. I want to put it in my 72 F-100 . Oh yeah he has
>a 289 in the car, my question is will it bolt right up to my bell housing? ( I
>have a 302) and will I need to shorten the driveshaft.. also is 700.00 too
>much ?

THATS CHEAP!!!!!!!


Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wife

At 12:39 PM 5/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Stu varner wrote: >>I want her to move in with me.....wanna work out a
>trade??
>:) very big grin!! I might could come up with a 427 block!!????
>
>Are you wired for 2 wives?????????? Bet they wouldn't share!!!!!
>I agree that it would be great to have a wife to share in our hobbies,
>but it probably wouldn't work to have two of them.
>

The Rockette and I share hobbies, have you ever seen a set of pistons
cleaned by a wife? You CAN eat off them....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:33:23 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?

i did see your last post, and i belive you. just one thing - my 460 made
minced meat (with ATF sauce) of a C6. so those C4's must be very well
built, and in a light chassis! or maybe my C^ is just junk?

sleddog

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Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 3:07 PM
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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?


>My FE block 67 F100 has a C6. I haven't met anyone yet who's had
>a C4 behind an FE. I think an FE would make minced meat of a C4.
>

See my last post.....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox




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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:34:49 -0500
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - External Hubs

Jeff,
When I bought my highboy, it was in the same shape the one you're looking
at is in. (engine not running, body kind of beat up) Anyway, I got a deal and
paid $300 for mine. I went to the local wrecking yard and got a 390 for
another $300. I had one heck of a truck for $600.

Ross Henjum

BDIJXS wrote:

> Hey Dave,
>
> Thanks for the info.....
>
> No need to track down those other part numbers.
>
> By the way, whats a highboy worth, relatively rough body, not running. Its
> been sitting for several months in this farmers yard. I've been considering
> offering him about $1500 for it....is this out of line????
>
> Colorado Jeff
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:29:16 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wider Frame

Well Don, now that you mentioned it... Yes the pads on the axle are 4 inches father apart. The axle itself is
4 inches wider. Of course the new disc brake spindles on the front made the front tires stand wider apart
too. This caused a brake hose problem... didn't quite reach the bracket on the frame. So, some steel
brackets were welded up to push the original bracket out from the frame. That works nicely, looks clean.

Now, a neighbor who works in a machine shop is making some new steel pads to solve the leaf spring problem. I
should have those tomorrow evening. I just hope I can beat the deadline given to me by the codes office.
What I need to do is drive the truck out of here Friday morning before they come to look.

- -=DENNIS=-


For standard street driving it should be fine. If you do lots of heavy towing or hauling the 435 might be
the better choice. You have the extra low first gear but drive it like a three speed most of the time
anyway. Usage is always the key. The 74 rear end will (should) be a stronger housing than the older
one. Did you happen to check the spring pad width and the distance from hub to hub. I am not sure if 74
had a wider rear frame than the earlier trucks.


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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:44:35 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers

i have a locker in my 78 f150 4x4 pull truck (9" rear) and i am familiar with
the loud pop and jerk,
it does scare the heck out of me,it only happens when you forget about the
last time
it happened and you least expect it,it is so violent that i feel like that it
may make something else break,i too notice it more so when pulling a load,and
shortly after
turning.
thanks,jeff grant
griffin,ga.
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 23:50:27 -0400
From: jeff bogart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - who's going to Pigeon forge ?

Count me in !!!!!
We won't be coming in my F100, though. :(
(Can we say blown tranny?) Anyway my wife
wont ride in something that the air doesn't work.
So we're coming in my non-Ford 360.
Let us know when everybody wants to meet!!!!
We'll be rolling into town midmorning Saturday.

Jeff Bogart jbogart stc.net
1968 F100 Ranger 360

Oh yeah----- my tranny is a C6 (in little pieces)

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