61-79-list-digest Monday, May 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 243



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In this issue:

"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - Hub Parts
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - Gauges
"Dennis K. Austin" Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - thanks again ken
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - re: external hubs
"Dennis K. Austin" Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - Re: U-bolt hoops
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web chat back up
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - Re: # $ $% ^^& !!! HELP!
"Dennis K. Austin" Re: FTE 61-79 - re: external hubs
"Dennis K. Austin" Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # $ $% ^^& !!! HELP!
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - New Server
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - Anyone out there?
"Dennis K. Austin" FTE 61-79 - Re: not receiving anything from digest of 61-79

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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 23:02:04 PDT
From: "Dave Walbeck"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hub Parts

Jeff,
What parts do you need? I have a hard time parting with stuff for these
but I have a list of the parts that are still available from FORD. Let
me know what you need and I'll see what I've got.
Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT, Highboy Nut, & FE Nut too!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 04:02:00 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny

Please HELP!! any ideas appreciated. I'm Bud Arnold. My dad, Stoney, reads
this digest and says he seen a lot of good information passed around so I
thought maybe someone has seen or had my problem and might have some ideas
for me cause on this one dad just scratches his head.
My truck is a 79 f-250 custom 2wd. When I blew up the original 351M, dad
said I had to rebuild it myself so maybe I'd take better care of it.(This
was his old truck, he had 400,000 miles on it and he really loves it)
I found a 1970 429 that I've rebuilt and had the original NP 435 gone
through, new seals, etc. I finally got it all back in the truck two weeks
ago and I'm really excited about being almost there. I still need to hook up
the electrical and dad's helping me make brackets for the new fuel line
routing. (Edelbrock 750cfm carb w/electric choke) but I'm nearly done!
My problem now. A local company came and towed my truck to the muffler
shop for the new exhaust(straight back duel 2 1/2 pipes), then brought it
home and left it in the driveway. When we tried to push it to the shop door
it wouldn't move. It's stuck in gear. We pushed the 20 ft. with dad's truck
and as the tires turned, so did the engine fan so I know it's in gear.
Pushing the clutch in does nothing. When you move the stick shift it feels
like it goes partway into what ever gear you select. I adjusted on the
clutch until the pedal won't even go all the way to the floor and the engine
and transmission are still engaged. Dad says someone at the shop must have
shoved into gear to keep it from rolling and now it won't shift cause the
clutch won't disengage. He scratched his head and said all he can figure is
maybe the throwout bearing slipped off the end of the fork. He suggests
pulling the tranny back out so I can get into the bell housing to eyeball
things. After 7 months of work on this project, taking something back off
now makes me want to cry. PLEASE HELP!!!!!any ideas I can try will be
appreciated. If no one has any ideas I guess i"ll just have to drop the
tranny again tuesday or wednesday after work. Thanks for listening anyway.
Sorry this is so long.

Bud Arnold


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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:18:06 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gauges

Heres a question for the the more electrically gifted among us. I run
electric trailer brake modules on my trucks. A couple of times I have had my
in dash gauges start acting strange after installing a module. One friend
told me that these gauges work off such small inductance that running
electric brake wiring too close to them can affect them. I've been
considering switching to mechanical gauges, at least for temp and oil
pressure. I'd like to add a couple of gauges too, like trans temp and oil
flow (vice pressure). Any comments on electric vs. mechanical gauges?


Stoney


83 F250, 460, C-6 (Willie)
79 F250, 429, NP 435 (son's project) (Susie)
76 F100, 302, 3-on-the-tree (son's driver till Susie's finished)
69 F? , 390, auto (a gimme, sitting in pasture, haven"t been too close
yet)
73 Mustang, 351-C (building), looking for top-loader
84 Gran Prix, 305(or some such liters) (swmbo)

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 09:34:33 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny

Melayne Arnold wrote:

> Please HELP!! any ideas appreciated. When you move the stick shift it feels
> like it goes partway into what ever gear you select. I adjusted on the
> clutch until the pedal won't even go all the way to the floor and the engine
> and transmission are still engaged. Dad says someone at the shop must have
> shoved into gear to keep it from rolling and now it won't shift cause the
> clutch won't disengage. He scratched his head and said all he can figure is
> maybe the throwout bearing slipped off the end of the fork. He suggests
> pulling the tranny back out so I can get into the bell housing to eyeball
> things. After 7 months of work on this project, taking something back off
> now makes me want to cry. PLEASE HELP!!!!!any ideas I can try will be
> appreciated. If no one has any ideas I guess i"ll just have to drop the
> tranny again tuesday or wednesday after work.
>
> Bud Arnold

Before you pull the transmission does your truck have a removable floor pan
over the transmission? Pull the pan and transmission top(shift tower).
manually put the transmission in Neutral and reinstall the transmission
top(shift tower). Make sure you get the shift fork located properly. What
happened is that the shift fork moved the gear and now can't move it back.
Some one here can name all the parts (better then I) for you ;)

Laters
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:17:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thanks again ken

Forwarded for (dcbeatty compuserve.com):


Ken. Thanks again for doing all this stuff. I say "again" because this is=
I
think the third time since I joined the list that you've had to do
something major like this. I know I'm not speaking just for myself when I=

say that all your hard work has been greatly appreciated. =

=

Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352 (soon to be 390)
1974 Maverick 302


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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:31:55 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: external hubs

Dave W.,
Who made those external hubs?? I've seen them on GM dana 44 axles
also, with the only difference being the red plastic knob not saying
ford
on them. Also, do you know why they would of stopped using them in 77?
Was it just a cost issue, or is there something wrong with them? Also a
Highboy question. Did they use lift blocks in back? The reason I ask
is that quite of few of the 70's F250's at a junkyard I go to have the
exact same lift block in them. All of these blocks are the same in that
they have loops that the U-bolt goes through for extra support. I was
just curious if these were something Ford offered or if it was something
aftermarket. It's just weird because all of the ones that have blocks
have these loops which I've never seen on any aftermarket blocks, and
it's only on the F250's.


> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:53:15 PDT
> From: "Dave Walbeck"
> Subject: External Hubs
>
> Hey Jeff and All,
> The External (Big Monster Hubs) were available as far back as 67 (at
> least I'm pretty sure but don't quote me on that) they were however
> available for sure from 73-77 (I've got 3 73's with them and they're all
> factory). They all had drum front ends until 76 though but at least the
> outer stuff is the same. Any more Highboy questions fire away.
> Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT, Highboy Nut, & FE Nut too!!!!!!


Mike
'78 Custom
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:24:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny

Bud,

I second that notion! Same EXACT thing happened to me about 2 weeks ago.
What happened with mine was when we picked up the tranny/transfer as one
unit with the chain hoist, it swung it up on end and the reverse shifter
fork slid back. I had the same exact feeling in mine. Just wanted to add
that it might be a good time to check the nylon pads on the fork arms and
replace them if worn.

Tony
tony pscico.com
www.pscico.com/~tony

> Melayne Arnold wrote:
>
> > Please HELP!! any ideas appreciated. When you move the stick shift it feels
> > like it goes partway into what ever gear you select. I adjusted on the
> > clutch until the pedal won't even go all the way to the floor and the engine
> > and transmission are still engaged. Dad says someone at the shop must have
> > shoved into gear to keep it from rolling and now it won't shift cause the
> > clutch won't disengage. He scratched his head and said all he can figure is
> > maybe the throwout bearing slipped off the end of the fork. He suggests
> > pulling the tranny back out so I can get into the bell housing to eyeball
> > things. After 7 months of work on this project, taking something back off
> > now makes me want to cry. PLEASE HELP!!!!!any ideas I can try will be
> > appreciated. If no one has any ideas I guess i"ll just have to drop the
> > tranny again tuesday or wednesday after work.
> >
> > Bud Arnold
>
> Before you pull the transmission does your truck have a removable floor pan
> over the transmission? Pull the pan and transmission top(shift tower).
> manually put the transmission in Neutral and reinstall the transmission
> top(shift tower). Make sure you get the shift fork located properly. What
> happened is that the shift fork moved the gear and now can't move it back.
> Some one here can name all the parts (better then I) for you ;)
>
> Laters
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
>
> 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:29:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: U-bolt hoops

Dave,

My friends '72 F-250 Highbody has 4 inch blocks in the back which are stock,
but has no hoops for the U-bolts (it has ford cast into them, and has the
shoulders for the bump-stops). My '78 and '79 chassis I had, both F-150's
had the hoops also on a 3 inch block.

So it's not just the 250's.

Tony
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> Dave W.,

> Highboy question. Did they use lift blocks in back? The reason I ask
> is that quite of few of the 70's F250's at a junkyard I go to have the
> exact same lift block in them. All of these blocks are the same in that
> they have loops that the U-bolt goes through for extra support. I was
> just curious if these were something Ford offered or if it was something
> aftermarket. It's just weird because all of the ones that have blocks
> have these loops which I've never seen on any aftermarket blocks, and
> it's only on the F250's.

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 19:56:32 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web chat back up

Web chat is back up. This new chat is simpler than the last
chat engine and will hopefully give us less trouble.

Enjoy,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 21:55:27 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: # $ $% ^^& !!! HELP!

Somebody called the local codes office and turned my truck in as an eye sore. Now its
deep purple and chrome wheels, but its not been inspected nor licensed. But, the guy
at the codes office has a '65 F-100 too on his farm and says he is sorry, but he will
give extra time to finish up the truck. So, I have to May 8th. Now, I thought I had
everything beat and a deadline to strive for. I was done on Saturday.

That is until a steady stream of fluid starting coming out of the left rear wheel. So,
I pulled the drum and everything behind the drum fell out on the ground. So, I take
the drum, brake cylinder, springs, and just about everything I can carry to my local
parts place. The drum had it edges cracked off. Well, to make my weekend dreary it
turns out that the rearend on my truck is rare. So, rare as to make it expensive to
repair if the parts can be found. I am told that the brake cylinders are not available
nor are the rebuild kits. The drum is too expensive to replace and needs to be
ordered. The spring kit is not available, but maybe something can be matched up.

Now, I am going to ask you kind guys with the historical libraries to look up some info
for me. The parts from the rearend cross referenced to a 1963-65 LTD TAXI rearend.
Yes, it was listed in the old yellowing pages of the 'ol dusty parts book. Remember I
have a '65 F-100. Is it possible it came from the factory this way?

The transmission I pulled to put in a 4 speed was a 3 speed.
The riveted tag on the three speed ;
RAT G 1
047363
what is this and should I have kept it rather than the NP435?

The ID Plate on the truck has the following three rows of number;

10JD673563
129 JM F100 581 A09
5000 129 4000 61
Can somebody tell me what all this means?
If somebody can decipher all this and e-mail me direct I would appreciate it. My
curiosity is way up?

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 20:34:15 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: external hubs

Michael R. Masse wrote:

> Dave W.,
> Who made those external hubs?? I've seen them on GM dana 44 axles
> also, with the only difference being the red plastic knob not saying
> ford
> on them. Also, do you know why they would of stopped using them in 77?
> Was it just a cost issue, or is there something wrong with them? Also a
> Highboy question. Did they use lift blocks in back? The reason I ask
> is that quite of few of the 70's F250's at a junkyard I go to have the
> exact same lift block in them. All of these blocks are the same in that
> they have loops that the U-bolt goes through for extra support. I was
> just curious if these were something Ford offered or if it was something
> aftermarket. It's just weird because all of the ones that have blocks
> have these loops which I've never seen on any aftermarket blocks, and
> it's only on the F250's.
>

As for the blocks, these blocks were used on the F150's also. MIght not be
the exact part # but they also have the loops. (help keep the block put).
Instead of designing a new rear suspension arround springs with larger arches
is looks like Ford just put blocks in back for the extra ride height.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 20:55:24 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # $ $% ^^& !!! HELP!

Dennis K. Austin wrote:

>
>
> Now, I am going to ask you kind guys with the historical libraries to look up some info
> for me. The parts from the rearend cross referenced to a 1963-65 LTD TAXI rearend.
> Yes, it was listed in the old yellowing pages of the 'ol dusty parts book. Remember I
> have a '65 F-100. Is it possible it came from the factory this way?
>

Pull your self a regular 9" rear.

> The transmission I pulled to put in a 4 speed was a 3 speed.
> The riveted tag on the three speed ;
> RAT G 1
> 047363
> what is this and should I have kept it rather than the NP435?
>
> The ID Plate on the truck has the following three rows of number;
>
> 10JD673563
> 129 JM F100 581 A09
> 5000 129 4000 61
> Can somebody tell me what all this means?
> If somebody can decipher all this and e-mail me direct I would appreciate it. My
> curiosity is way up?

10 JD 673563 your Vin#

129 (wheel base, longbed) JM should be color code (Red and white two tone paint) F100
(model) 581 (standard cab) A (transmission 3speed manuel) 09 (3.7:1 rear end gearing)
5000 ( GVWR) 129 (Net or is it Gross horse power, 129hp) 4000 (RPM at which horse power is
ratted) 61 ( is a plant code Dallas)

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 03:29:46 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New Server

Congratulations Ken.


Ballinger
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:27:55 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping

I own a 1978 F-150. I am looking for a good source for weather stripping. I
had been looking into JCW but someone said that the stuff that they sells
starts to crack real soon has anyone else had good expierances with any
others?

E-mail :  bear269 sparc.isl.net
Please view my home page at:
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:20:26 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Anyone out there?

Is the list working?

FTC. I sure do love my ford trucks.


Jon E. Purut
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:55:50 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"....


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